By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Val,
UGH! I’m sorry that I created that for you, but glad it inspired you to do something different for yourself….
I’m still feeling sorry for myself. I know why. But in other ways I don’t. Despite all of that, I’m not giving up on the journey or what I need to do. It’s different for all of us.
I’m seeing this new therapist this week, again. Going to my DV group. My first message therapy appointment is this week.
I’ve been reading tons. I have a lot more to do.
I’ve been crying a lot today, something I wasn’t sure I could do.
Healing is different for all of us.
I’m still trying to figure it out for me. But I'[m open to suggestions as to how it works for someone else, while trying to find my own way.
IT’s been a really difficult day.
Val, hope things continue to improve for you. Don’t give up.
I just have a feeling you’re going to be okay.
LL
Sky
I’m still willing to give the CT therapist a “chance” before I go elsewhere, but I’m not opposed to trying the eclectic approach. I have to be completely honest with the CT approach. I couldn’t be before with my therapist from years ago, about spath. I told her I was involved with him, but got an emotional spanking…”COME ON LL, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT!!! WHY ARE YOU SABOTAGING YOURSELF HERE?”
I couldn’t work with that. ANd never again will I work with someone who promotes dishonesty or a feeling that I can’t say, “hey so and so, you'[re full of shit, this is how it is for me right now”.
That’s what CT does the majority of the time. I’ve more than once been accused of “living in the past”
You know better than that, Sky. That’s what got us into deep shit in the first place, ignoring the parental units. CT doesn’t address it, nor does it want too. It has a “Just get over it” attitude. Nice and would work well for those who have worked for years through all the rest. It’s a therapeutic maintenance approach, not true “pscychotherapy”
LL
LL
LL,
I can’t be the most objective person here because, obviously, I’m still embroiled in my own drama with the parental trauma bonding. I just know that objective awareness was one thing that saved me on a day when I didn’t want to live anymore. That’s a huge sell for me.
It isn’t the answer, reprogramming is the answer, but until that reprogramming takes place, objective awareness of my flaws will keep my ass out of trouble.
skylar,
Agreed 100%! That whole “lying to test others” thing is so creepy, and SO true! It’s hard to believe that a human being could actually think like that. They like to play games and see how much they own you.
Mine would say to me: “I hate that all of my boyfriends always change themselves for me.” I didn’t change for the longest time – I was always me! Confident, happy, and ready to defend my point of views. Until suddenly my point of views became stupid and everything I said was wrong according to him.
Then he’d specifically say things like “I hate [such and such] movie” (a movie I realize now was listed on my Facebook page under favorites), and I’d end up responding “Me too” just to try to get his approval. And he’d smirk. He knew I liked the movie, and was just trying to see if he had control yet.
What a sicko.
Hi New Winter,
I have not read your initial posts and so I am confused. are you a guy or a girl.
you said – your S would tell his boyfriends —, so I am confused.
sorry.
petite
Hello everyone….
I haven’t had time to visit here in the last few months. I’ve been busy taking care of important business. Still working to try to stay in my home. Lots of paperwork and it will coming to a head soon. Either way, I am prepared to move if I need to. I have things in perspective.
Contrary to what was thought about me maintaining contact with my x…I have not been involved with him since Feb. I was ready to accept that he is not the man I want in my life, but I didn’t want to end it on a bad note. We remained friends, just talking on the phone…and it eventually weaned down to nothing. Since I didn’t want a b/f g/f relationship with him, he grew tired of waiting for me to change my mind and we don’t talk very often on the phone anymore. I realized that I really didn’t ever want to be in a r/s with him anymore than just friends, but his attention and lovebombing was reeling me in each time. How could I not want someone who claimed they were so “in love” with me? (Ha!) But, he never showed it. Only when he wanted sex. It filled a need “I” had at that time in my life….which I don’t need anymore. I’ve moved on focusing on ME ME ME…and I broke the “habit” of fantasizing that I really had a genuine person in my life who cared about me. I realized what he is made of and that I didn’t need someone who was using me for his own needs and not giving me what “I” need.
Anyway, I am not involved with anyone and I don’t plan to be until I settle my financial issues. I spend my time with my girls and my family and friends and taking care of me. I have faith that someday, a good companion will come into my life.
In the meantime……….
My 16 1/2 yr old got seriously involved with a boy. He is 18.
He has influenced her in many ways. She began to isolate herself from her family and friends. She is highly gifted and has lost interest in school. ( I had her home schooled when she was 13. She was diagnosed with PTSD from the divorce at that time!)
Anyway, she has had several “emotional breakdowns” the few times that this boy and her broke up recently. She says
“I want to die” and stops eating, etc…
So, today I called a crisis team that sends counsellors to our home to speak with her.
I KNOW that this is all abandonment issues from my divorce.
She definitely has “trauma bonding” and has allowed this boy to manipulate her. He is very “narcisstic” and even reminds me of her father. I do not want her to go thru life as “I” have, falling apart everytime a r/s ends and feeling that I “need” a man in my life to be complete.
I thought that because my girls saw me alone raising them for 6 yrs without a man in my life, that they would not feel dependent on a man in their lives.
But, she was the first born and only one who “bonded” with her Dad…so its obvious that his abandonment has affected her emotional security and self esteem.
So, the counsellors will be here soon.
I need to save my daughter from being another victim of a manipulative, narcisstic person. Its heartbreaking to think that anyone will have to go through life as I did…feeling so insecure deep down and never having a healthy relationship with a man.
I truly believe that people who become “victims” of these types of people..including myself….even though they seem so secure and confident in themselves and successful in other areas….only do because of a deep rooted insecurity.
I hope to help her.
Skylar
So today I’m using the tools in the book…..
I am OBSERVING myself feeling bad.
Every single time I slept with my spath I had a thought go through my head “something feels off here” and I’d ask myself “is this something I really want to do” and I’d answer myself, “yes, I’m sure he’s a good man, I want this relationship”.
The red alarms were going off again and again and I ignored them. I didn’t know what they were.
I loved him. I gave him my best.
He lied to me, he cheated on me, he hurt me on purpose.
I guess I have to remember, now that he’s back with his ex-wife that he does the same things to her.
🙁 🙁 🙁
Superkid10
Dear 2Bhappy,
Glad to see you back here….and I hope your intervention with your daughter helps. It sounds like she really REALLY does need some professional help, and learning to deal with this issue of abandonment and love bombing….
Glad that you are no longer in real contact with the P, and believe me he won’t be much of a “friend” when he can’t get sex from you. It usually doesn’t follow that a continued contact can wean down, usually they suck the victim back in, so glad that you were one of the RARE EXCEPTIONS….
At best only about 15% of women break free and stay free. Of those there is some percentage who go find another abuser (not sure what that % is or even if it is known) but staying free once we ARE free is a challenge as well, and means that we must keep our eyes peeled for the red flags.
Just as you had to “save yourself” so does your daughter, you can’t save her, SHE must, but I think the intervention is a good start in helping direct her in the direction so that she CAN get enough information and support that she CAN save herself. Her saying she doesn’t want to live is a serious sign in a kid that age and she may actually need to be hospitalized for a while so if it comes to that don’t hesitate. Good luck and God Bless ((((Hugs)))
Thank you for the warm welcome back, Oxy….
I did stop in a few times to keep up with things on here…but I was overwhelmed with my house crisis.
I have decided not to have anymore contact with the x. After all, if he WAS a real friend, I would still be with him!!! I have finally learned, at age 53, to respect and take care of MY needs and anyone who doesn’t love me and respect me as much as I do myself….I don’t need in my life.
I spend a lot of time alone, but I learned to do things for me. I walk a minimum of 2 miles a day religiously, found a great diet that is working for me…see my sister and best g/f a lot, spend time with my girls…go to my favorite thrift store when I need to relax…(spend hours in there!!), read, bike ride…and I learned not to feel lonely when I am alone. I see light at the end of my tunnel …lol…I know that when its right, I may have a best friend, companion…someday.
In the meantime, the crisis counselors cameto my house. It turns out that my daughter has been bullied in school more than the just the one day that she told me about. SERIOUS issue. I may need to take her out for awhile.
They are sending a counselor to work with her and I together…her individually on her abandonment issues and “us” on our communication issues.
Life is never easy…
Dear 2bhappy,
Glad that the counselors came out and that there will be follow up. The bullying thing is horrific for sure and the school needs to take responsibility for that….and I do hope your daughter can start to communicate her fears and problems more with you.
TOWANDA on taking care of yourself and walking, biking, dieting, meeting your own needs, AND on putting him out of your life NC, and I totally agree with you that anyone who is not a GOOD FRIEND doesn’t need to be in my life, especially if they have been a BAD FRIEND. LOL
Learning to be alone and not lonely is a good thing as well too, and learning to “entertain yourself” is a good thing for us to do and not depend on others to provide us all of our companionship.
It makes my heart sing when I hear from someone from LF who is doing well, marching on to the direction of healing, and starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. TOANDA AGAIN!!!!!