By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Oxy
Several times I have seen you encourage others to read the 700 or so older blog posts on this site. It seems like most of the posting on this site is after I go to bed, so I decided to read old articles tonight to keep my brain engaged.
Two things popped out at me.
First, I discovered the earlier writings of Mr. Green and another spath. They shocked me. I could actually hear my spath say their words. Holy shait how insightful. What empty, miserable creatures.
Secondly, somebody wrote earlier to clarify that the spath wakes up every day planning to do evil. If you keep that in mind, all else that they do is only contrived behavior so they CAN DO EVIL. Holy shait.
My spath woke up and pursued sex, money, and weapons and gave each of them 200% of his attention. All the things he did that I thought were great (his nice manners, his compliments) weren’t because he was a nice man who loved me, but because he wanted to do evil.
I am doing CARTWHEELS in my living room tonight, and I’m 45 years old. I am SO FLIPPING HAPPY I’m 3 weeks no contact! YAY for me!!!
Thank you all!
Superkid10
SK,
You’re a smart cookie! You’re catching on. That was a GREAT post!
Do you recall the articles you read where you saw spath input? I vaguely remember those because I’ve read so many……
I think you hit on something very valid here. How they live to DESTROY You and that anything “nice” they do is fake and for the intended purpose of making sure you FAIL, that you LOSE.
Sad and unbelievable, isn’t it?
You’re doing GREAT, SK!!!
Keep up the good work!!
LL
I think that the ‘nice’ is also about sussing out what is most important to us, what really matters…so they can destroy it.
Dear SK,
The articles here, arranged by author and subject are WONDERFUL…and I do encourage others to read then, especially new people. Just the articles and save the old blogging for later, but yes, they do SHOW US THE WAY—-knowledge is power and we have to arm ourselves to take back that power. Arm ourselves with POWER.
The things we learn here, even from posts made by people who no longer come here,. and by articles written several years ago help us to put together the BIG PICTURE of how they act, how we react, and how we can heal.
Keep on reading kiddo! That’s why I’m still here, still learning, and receiving more than I give. Always!
They really are a separate breed. It seems that they didn’t feel loved as children and were hurt somehow and they LEARNED to “eat before they get eaten”. My x was a cop, a “bully” of a cop, as they all called him in town! And he still, when feels threatened (most of the time he “feels” that someone is targetting him) and still reacts violently by getting people fired, etc…and makes up lies to do so! Exaggerates it.
OMG…when they feel attacked they strike out evily. (is that a word??lol)
Recently, a supervisor where he works wrote him up for leaving without telling him. He told me that he made up a lie, told the administration that he called him “boy” and the guy got fired!!!
He’s done this to anyone that he FEELS attacked by. A “NORMAL” person would confront the colleague first…not go to the extreme.
We worked together and when a coworker was bothering me…HE wrote up that she did something she didn’t do. She was fired!!
So, what kind of person was I dealing with???? I used to be stunned at how he hurt people that he thought were after him.
Yes, they are full of fear…so they get YOU before you can get them.
I have been busy and not able to see my x and just didn’t want to. He’s not so much fun to be around anyway. So, I was just happy to talk to him on the phone. I KNOW he has been trying to seduce me back into bed with him since February. I wouldn’t budge.
Finally he got angry and had a hissy fit like a child. If I didn’t drop everything for his royal ass self….he would get angry. So, he gave up and stopped calling me. THANK GOD!!!!
I realized that I have grown so much, broke my addiction to him….got back to reality and saw the whole thing for what it really is……I was using him just as much as he was using me.
I wanted friendship…someone to “have my back”. But, if I didn’t sleep with him….he wasn’t going to stand for it.
He thinks now that he “got” me back…that I “need” him because I am going thru a lot of personal stuff with my house and daughter.
I realized that the price I had to pay to keep him in my life was NOT worth it. I’d rather deal with being alone…which I will only be if I choose. I learned to reach out and get out and I am never lonely anymore.
Yes, once you break the addiction that they suck you into…the trauma bond…and build up your self esteem….you feel better and attract better people into your life.
I had two dates this past weekend….NORMAL men. And I am having more fun meeting new people.
Now I look back and realize how “fogged out” I was trying to make him into a sincere, loyal person.
I finally woke up and reality is so much nicer than the fantasy I was living.
There is hope.
LL I will find it tomorrow..in bed already! Lol
2behappy-your ex’s behavior that you describe really reminds me of the girls from my old job who got me fired! They got evil and totally set me up. It’s amazing how they hijacked my career and stole it from me.
I’m sorry about your job loss. It seems there are many evil people out there who prey on vulnerable decent people. I hope you find work again soon. Have you been looking? I would think that nurses are in demand?
I have applied for over 100 jobs and only got 2 in person interviews out of all of them. I was denied unemployment and I’m waiting on an appeal hearing and about to run out of money. I’ve almost done with hiring with an agency out of Baton Rouge. We’ll see if they actually have work for me. I applied for a 911 dispatch job with the Sheriffs office and I’m waiting to hear back on it. I would really like that job and if I did this agency nursing on the side I could do ok. I’m just lonely right now. That never bothered me before but I had to kick N father out of the picture, like I did with N mother. He helped me out some financially but then expected me to do everything he wanted me to do and I refused. It’s time for me to quit allowing other people to bully and manipulate me into doing what they want instead of what I want. Today is the 2 year anniversary of when x boyfriend left and thank God it is. Now I just have a huge crush on my next door neighbor and she’s driving me crazy.
I hope you get the bullying straightened out with your daughter. That is a serious problem.
Wow, a lot going on down there! It sounds like it would be nice to get a job in the atmosphere you like to work in. I know how difficult it is to feel isolated. I’ve conquered the lonliness thing because I just get out and then meet people and I talk to total strangers all of the time….small talk. I am very friendly. And I’ve also been in touch with some old friends from HS and my first teaching job, through facebook! Even met a friend (guy) who I haven’t seen since then and he’s really nice. So, if you tend to isolate, you need to force yourself to get out and be around people. I know, because I tend to spend a lot of time in my hot tub reading and happy to be alone. But, its not healthy to not go out and mingle too.
Everytime I feel that “people suck” and I just want to be alone, I meet someone really nice out there! Then I feel positive again! And its true….there are good and evil out there in our crazy society.
My daughter is also going through a stage where she wants to do what she wants….like having her little boyfriend come over on school nights and “hang out” till all hours and even let him sleep over on the couch! I allowed it at times because he is not allowed to drive after 11pm …NJ laws for new licencees.
When I don’t allow this…she screams that she doesn’t understand why and she can’t live in this world and is going to kill herself….etc. So she needs some serious help and I’ve got the ball rolling.
The problem is that if she leaves the house, the police will bring her back but I can’t stop her….and I cannot refuse to let her back in until she is 18. So she knows this and has just walked out whenever she feels like it….at midnight. Then I have to go hunt her down at the first lake. She takes her bike and sits on the beach down there at night!!! So, I am getting professional help now.
Not easy being a single mom.