By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
2bhappy-good luck with that. I can’t imagine having teenagers now. I hope where u live is safer than here cuz kids can’t leave at night like that.
I try to get out cuz for some reason this is the first time I’ve ever felt trouble being alone. I was spending a lot of time with my neighbor but she’s acting weird. I have a huge crush on her and for awhile she was giving me the “I’m interested vibe”. Then we started hanging out and she pulled back and is acting real closed off. I wonder if my gaydar is just off. I haven’t used it in awhile. It makes me nuts though. My hormones are messed up now and I feel like a teenage boy. I think my testosterone is elevated due to my female problems.
Superkid,
LOL, cartwheels. we are the same age, so now I have to keep up with you. 😛
thanks for your post. It reminded me of a story my exP told me (several times). When he was young, he spent several months, getting up each day and walking for hours, several miles to get to a girlfriends house, climb in a window and he would have sex for hours and then he would leave and go home. Next day he would do it again. How fucking weird is that? The entire day was spent getting sex from a little girl.
He is the poster child for spaths so you can derive from that what you will. they are all the same because infants are basically all the same.
Right now I am just concerned about my daughter’s safety. I don’t want her to hurt herself. I’m sure the therapist will help her. It was inevitable that she would have some issues. She has felt the brunt of the divorce and the abuse she saw before he abandoned us. We were in the hottbub last night…the” bonding tub”as I call it. A lot of relaxation and discussions go on in there…..
She told me…”I hate my father …hate hate hate! If I had a gun I would shoot him!”
That was the first time she ever expressed her hurt from what he did to us. So, it will all come to the surface and she will finally face her demons. I thank God that I called a professional in to help me with this. I would regret it someday if anything ever happenned to her.
A 19 yr old college student that lived in my g/f’s beach town…affluent community…etc. She went to a college 40 mins north where that gay student was harrassed and killed himself. She drove thru the train gates and stopped and let a train hit her. Suicide. They found out that it was over a guy. “Relationship problems”.!!!
So, I know that I need to do what I am doing to help my oldest daughter…who remembers a lot of what happenned while married and divorcing my xsociopath. My younger two have few memories since they were so young.
Yes, Donna needs to get out into the schools and speak to our youngsters. Otherwise, more relationship devastation will be happenning all around us.
My girls are all top 5% of their classes…highly intelligent. But, early childhood problems have affected them….How could it not?
The only way to overcome the damage done to self esteem is to get professional help. We cannot do it alone. So much came out yesterday and the therapists knew how to handle it. Friends/relatives cannot do it. Everyone we meet is part of our problem….to have someone to teach the skills to cope is priceless.
My daughter is in so much pain…becuase when we get involved with someone…in a relationship….all of our early feelings surface! It all goes back to how we felt as children.
I am also going back to my therapist that helped me through two years ago when my early stuff surfaced when I had problems with my xbf. I need help too to cope with dealing with a teenager that is not functioning right.
Feeling alone and misunderstood is very devastating and painful. I don’t wish this on anyone, especially my own daughter. I’m confident that she will develop confidence in herself and overcome her hurt, anger and fear…with a professional.
I don’t want her to go through life as I did with low self esteem and feelings of unworthiness….and allowing a man to manipulate and control her. There are too many users, manipulators/socios out there that prey on the vulnerable.
I plan to give her the tools and strength to overcome her hurt and anger. I am so happy I called a professional in.
There IS help out there. We just need to seek it.
Ox Drover, This is a brilliant and beautiful blog post!
I believe No contact is best. Unfortunately, I had to get a restraining order to keep my sociopathic husband away and since then he still has made threats on my life. One day he came to my job just to tell me what he would do to me if I wouldn’t just leave the area. He made a forceful threat. So I called the police and guess what he does? He tells my family and my co-workers that I’m doing things just to get him back with me. I’m outraged by this loser, who is a preacher/pastor. So, how do you maintain no contact when the sociopath keeps calling you and having other people to call and create a problem for you?
preacherswife, This is something we talk about all the time. Practice emotional detachment. We do not react to the sociopath or any of their cohorts who try to manipulate us via our emotions. We often refer to this tactic as going gray rock on them. We expess all the emotions of a gray rock. We become VERY boring. All their drama is wasted, and it’s a strong defense against them.
If the other folks are coming to you, and giving you information that is upsetting to you, (this requires discipline) you can cut the unhealthy triangulation by simply stating that you are NOT interested in hearing his/her tale, and then change the subject. If the others won’t respect that boundry, you may have to go NC with THEM, also.
This is all about self-preservation. We must find a way to reclaim our lives, and emotional control is a good place to start.
I found this site a few days ago and it’s helped enormously, thank you! I knew he was a sociopath 2 or 3 years ago, but it took me 2 more years to get it through my head what that really meant, and only because HE finally left ME for someone new.
I’d broken up with him 50 or 100 times or more over 5 years, sometimes for an hour, sometimes for a week, but he always begged and I always took him back. I just wanted him OUT OF MY LIFE and, for the first few days after the last (and final, it turned out) breakup, I was happy and relieved, but when he then called and told me he was in a new relationship after only a week, I fell apart. Started having panic attacks, etc. Since then he’s tricked me twice into getting into my house, staying the night, having sex, etc. after his new “relationship” began (the third time I knew better and wouldn’t even open the door).
I don’t know who she is, but I sent him some texts stating the dates he cheated on her with me in hopes she’d see them, and she apparently did since he flipped out on me and then changed his #. The next day she called me and left a voicemail saying she’d call back since she wanted to hear what I had to say, but so far she hasn’t. Up until her call I’d convinced myself she wasn’t real, that he was just playing with my head, so now I’ve had to face that truth as well.
The next day I found this site and can honestly say it’s been the beginning of my recovery. I’ve been seeing a new therapist who has helped immensely and just started on Zoloft, but seeing the multitudes of others who know exactly what my life has been for the last 5 years (only the specifics change) has probably been the only thing that helped me turn the corner.
What I’m now struggling with is how to forgive myself for what I allowed to happen over the last 5 years, how my children have suffered, the loss of my house, my job, and so many friends.
Like many or most, he was a chronic cheater, that was the worst part of it. He didn’t bilk me out of much money like has happened to some, but slept with anything that moved and then of course lied outrageously about it. I didn’t believe his lies but stayed just the same, something I’m not sure I can ever forgive myself for. I even caught him in bed with someone and (sort of) believed him when he said nothing happened! Then I stayed with him for another 2 years!
I don’t yet know how to deal with the shame and the embarassment (we live in a smallish town and I’m sure many people know about what’s he’s done to me over the last 5 years). I hate going anywhere, fearing that people are pitying me for the fool I was.
Also, he’s 9 years younger than me so, whenever he was verbally abusive, one of his favorite taunts was my age. So now, at 51, I can’t help feeling like I’m too old to bother moving on with my life or that I’ll ever find love again, so it’s difficult to move beyond that as well. 5 years of brainwashing is hard to unravel!
My new therapist is terrific (my old one was a waste of time) and, with the help of this site and other types of support, I’m finally optimistic that someday he won’t be the first thing I think of when I wake in the AM and the last thing I think of when I go to sleep.
abbri, hello, I’m so glad you found this website, lots of good people here and great information! Keep reading and posting, it really helps. You’ll get to that place where you don’t think of him constantly… but of course it takes time, different for everyone.
I think I have “accepted” my part in the whole thing, maybe I’m stuck on the forgiveness part for myself. That’s a tough one. Most of my life I ignored red flags waved in my face. Anyway, I’m not the same person I was before the spath, which I look at as a good thing. My motto now: Never Never Never Give Up!!! I have to find a new way to live with my new knowledge.
Stick with the “No Contact” with him, it’s the only way to go!!!!!!!!!
Abbri, I was in a 7 year on again off again relationship, and know just how you feel. I have been out of it for over three years, and I am 52, now.
I felt a lot of shame, too….especially about why I always yearned for the beast and took him back. It was so baffeling. I wanted to be free of him, didn’t I?
I got on line and started doing research on something called trauma bonding. It’s also, often refered to as betrayal bonding. It explained the whole thing to me, and helped me so much.
It doesn’t do any good to beat yourself up. You got conned. Keep the blame where it belongs and learn as much as you can.
Glad you’re here and glad you’ve turned the corner.
Was anyone’s spath very affectionate? Mine always wanted to be held. Weird?