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Please do not engage abusers

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July 24, 2009 //  by Donna Andersen

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Yesterday, Lovefraud had an intruder. I saw this guy’s first couple of posts, which struck me as odd, but not necessarily offensive. I decided to keep an eye on him.

Before long, however, several longtime Lovefraud contributors began attacking this individual. I thought the attacks were unwarranted.

We have had occasions in the past when people started accusing newcomers of being sociopaths. I think this is a very dangerous thing to do based on a few posts that may sound different from what we generally see here.

Meaning is missing

Experts have found that 65 percent to 90 percent of the meaning in human communication comes from nonverbal cues—tone of voice, gestures, posture. That means when the primary form of communication is via words on a computer monitor, 65 percent to 90 percent of the meaning is missing.

So how can we be sure of a person’s intentions? Not everyone is an expressive writer—some people may be stiff and formal. And not everyone may speak (and write) English as a first language.

Furthermore, Lovefraud.com is not a closed, invitation-only forum. It is open to the public, so it is quite possible that we have readers who are not victims, or former victims, of sociopaths. People who have been lucky enough not to have experienced the assault of a sociopath have a very different perspective from those of us who have been there. They may wonder, in writing, what all the bellyaching is about. That doesn’t mean they are sociopaths.

We also may have people who jump into a conversation without much of an introduction. There is no prerequisite that people tell their stories before participating in the Lovefraud Blog. Someone may just want to make an observation or pose a question. The post may sound different from what we generally see. That doesn’t make him or her a sociopath.

Jumping to conclusions is not helpful. In one situation, a person was attacked in what I believe was simply a case of mistaken identity.

Negative intentions

Now, it does turn out that everyone who sensed negative intentions on the part of yesterday’s intruder was right. Checking the IP address, I found that it was the same guy who showed up a few days ago. He actually posted on another forum, where predators apparently compare notes, that he hacked into his girlfriend’s computer and found references to Lovefraud. He then invited all his cronies to launch an attack on this blog.

A few Lovefraud contributors did write to me to express concerns, which I appreciate. I was watching this individual. But I admit that he began to show his true colors after I was away from the computer, and I didn’t react quickly. Now, however, I have deleted all his posts.

Personal attacks are not tolerated

The policy at Lovefraud is that personal attacks against other bloggers are not tolerated. I ask everyone, even long-time contributors who suspect a predator, to observe this policy.

So when you believe that someone is here to cause trouble, please do not engage. Do not react. Do not take the bait. Because when we do, we just feed the beast, and the entire Lovefraud conversation degenerates.

It’s important for us to be listening to our intuition. But when we get messages that something is amiss, what should we do? In the real world, we advocate No Contact. I believe we should do the same on Lovefraud.

Remember, they’re looking for a reaction. If we don’t give it, most of them just go away.

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Tilly
15 years ago

Rosa:
P.S.
I intend to learn how to “maintain it” ( for three months!!!)with my art teacher.

Tilly
15 years ago

Witsend:
Thankyou for being there for me ! ((((((HUGS!!!XOXOXO)))))

Tilly
15 years ago

LTL:
I like the idead of ” go back and read “THAT ARTICLE”” as a code red alert sign!

Tilly
15 years ago

Rosa:
The tool I use is to not read their posts, Just see the name and skip a few.

Tilly
15 years ago

PINow:
Paranoia is like anger. It has to be worked through. We would be idiots to trust when we have no evidence that there is anything around us is that is “trustable”. The degree of my paranoia changes to the degree I have to remain hypervigilant for a REAL reason. (i.e. no evidence of a diiferent environment to my past YET). But i know that like anger, it needs to be felt and moved through and eventually, when WE SEE that out environment IS TRUSTWORTHY, then we can drop our paranoia SLOWLY and SAFELY.

Kathleen Hawk
15 years ago

Tilly, just to get this on the record, would you please explain to everyone that you were being ironic (sarcastic?) when you started complimenting and agreeing with that person.

I think that people got confused. They didn’t understand that you were deliberately giving him enough rope to hang himself. And that you did it as an alternate strategy when Donna deleted one of your posts, when she thought you were being too overtly aggressive.

And that all of it was an attempt to clarify who he was and what he was doing. Not just for yourself, but for all of us.

I think it would be helpful for everyone to understand.

Kathy

ANewLily
15 years ago

Tilly, I am so glad to see that you are back. You don’t know me very well yet but I, too, was on your side yesterday. I really admire your spunk — and your boomarang!

I hope I didn’t offend you about both of us needing to eat crow!! I was shook by all the “stuff” (mainly by Pianoman’s foul language) and didn’t really know what I could say to let you know that I supported you — and understood your anger.

Love ya!

ANewLily
15 years ago

Kathleen, I did realize that Tilly was being sarcastic. It wasn’t like her so I knew something was behind it even if I didn’t know what.

BTW, I like Tilly’s idea of a code phrase being, “Go back and read THAT THREAD” even if just refers to this one.

My 2cents

blueskies
15 years ago

Tilly (I am glad you are back x)

the trouble with these kind of alerts is that ALL members would have to have them and so therefore the FAKE ones would recognise the alert.

If the alerts are just between CERTAIN members then that is also no good, it turns this place into a school play ground full of ‘cliques’.

I am TOTALLY confused by everything that has gone on here over the last few days and is still ‘going on’ aparantly. I am confused by my reactions and trying to work through them.

I loved Betty’s post: ‘My plan is to be aware when new people arrive, and simply be observant. Treat them neutrally be polite and offer some support, or even be silent if it takes me a while to figure things out until signs present themselves that something is “off,” then I’m emailing Donna’

I think this might be the best way to do it. Maybe something like this could be included in a new member’s ‘toolkit’ welcome e-mail.

we have the site rules, how about also a few top tips on posting and dealing with posts ( including when we are trolled or if we are upset) that we have to agree to?

I dunno just thinking out loud:(

x

Kathleen Hawk
15 years ago

I’m glad, ANewLily.

I’m heading off to bed. I can’t believe I’m up this late again. I have a busy Saturday tomorrow. Good night…

Kathy

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