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Please do not engage abusers

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July 24, 2009 //  by Donna Andersen

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Yesterday, Lovefraud had an intruder. I saw this guy’s first couple of posts, which struck me as odd, but not necessarily offensive. I decided to keep an eye on him.

Before long, however, several longtime Lovefraud contributors began attacking this individual. I thought the attacks were unwarranted.

We have had occasions in the past when people started accusing newcomers of being sociopaths. I think this is a very dangerous thing to do based on a few posts that may sound different from what we generally see here.

Meaning is missing

Experts have found that 65 percent to 90 percent of the meaning in human communication comes from nonverbal cues—tone of voice, gestures, posture. That means when the primary form of communication is via words on a computer monitor, 65 percent to 90 percent of the meaning is missing.

So how can we be sure of a person’s intentions? Not everyone is an expressive writer—some people may be stiff and formal. And not everyone may speak (and write) English as a first language.

Furthermore, Lovefraud.com is not a closed, invitation-only forum. It is open to the public, so it is quite possible that we have readers who are not victims, or former victims, of sociopaths. People who have been lucky enough not to have experienced the assault of a sociopath have a very different perspective from those of us who have been there. They may wonder, in writing, what all the bellyaching is about. That doesn’t mean they are sociopaths.

We also may have people who jump into a conversation without much of an introduction. There is no prerequisite that people tell their stories before participating in the Lovefraud Blog. Someone may just want to make an observation or pose a question. The post may sound different from what we generally see. That doesn’t make him or her a sociopath.

Jumping to conclusions is not helpful. In one situation, a person was attacked in what I believe was simply a case of mistaken identity.

Negative intentions

Now, it does turn out that everyone who sensed negative intentions on the part of yesterday’s intruder was right. Checking the IP address, I found that it was the same guy who showed up a few days ago. He actually posted on another forum, where predators apparently compare notes, that he hacked into his girlfriend’s computer and found references to Lovefraud. He then invited all his cronies to launch an attack on this blog.

A few Lovefraud contributors did write to me to express concerns, which I appreciate. I was watching this individual. But I admit that he began to show his true colors after I was away from the computer, and I didn’t react quickly. Now, however, I have deleted all his posts.

Personal attacks are not tolerated

The policy at Lovefraud is that personal attacks against other bloggers are not tolerated. I ask everyone, even long-time contributors who suspect a predator, to observe this policy.

So when you believe that someone is here to cause trouble, please do not engage. Do not react. Do not take the bait. Because when we do, we just feed the beast, and the entire Lovefraud conversation degenerates.

It’s important for us to be listening to our intuition. But when we get messages that something is amiss, what should we do? In the real world, we advocate No Contact. I believe we should do the same on Lovefraud.

Remember, they’re looking for a reaction. If we don’t give it, most of them just go away.

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blueskies
15 years ago

(or maybe that is what you guys are trying to figure out – like DUH Blueskies!x)

Tilly
15 years ago

ANewLilY:
Thankyou! It was someone elses idea “the that thread” and I think its brilliant to have it mean THIS THREAD since it covers everything about it. ANL it would take me a LOT MORE to offend me than that !! (“DELETING ” me would be a good start as I have been “deleted” all my life). And thankyou for your help with Rosa and I yesterday!
kATHLEEN:
I ORIGINALLY SAID TO ELTON JOHN ” ARE YOU STILL HERE??” AND IT WENT ON FROM THERE.
BOTH ROSA AND I HEARD ELTON’S MUSIC QUICLY AND WE MOVED AS FAST AS WE COULD BECAUSE IT LOOKED TO US LIKE NO-ONE ELSE COULD. WE WERE BOTH SHOCKED THAT ELTON WAS STILL RECEIVING AIRPLAY.
So yes, I did what i was taught. As Matt would say, i treated Elton with my inner p. I told him i loved his music and how he is my hero and how i would love to meet him. He got an oscar for his performance.
But Rosa and i didn’t get there in time to stop williever who was following me around the site talking about suicide. This is not a good topic to have Eltons music playing at. (Although i do remember a funeral where they played “goodbye Norma Jean, whos was it??).
It was Plain and Simple, when you feel safe in cyberspace you can give Elton as many Oscars as he wants.And he will keep right on playin for all to see.

Tilly
15 years ago

Rosa:
I suppose as long as its not your or my funeral, it doesn’t really matter does it ?? (((((HUGS)))))xoxoxoxoxoxoxxo

Tilly
15 years ago

Oxy:
Its funny the very day Elton came on and began walking up the red carpet was the day you said: “ITS HARD TO DRAIN THE SWAMP WHEN YOUR UP TO YOUR ARSE IN ALLIGATORS!!” LOL!
ANOTHER AWESOME ALERT FLAG IS CALLING THEM SABRINA’S NAME FOR THEM:
” just call mine Lollipop – Reminds me that I am no longer his sucker!”

Rosa
15 years ago

Blueskies:

Oh my gosh!! No No NO!!! I absolutely am NOT insinuating that you are a “mole” here, and I am certain nobody else thinks that, either. That is crazy.

But, I will tell you this. You apologized yesterday, and there was no need for you to do so.

You were right the first time. I think/hope you will understand what I am trying to tell you.

MariaLisa
15 years ago

Rosa

Im right here. You obviously dont read my posts. And you neednt. But this isnt cool.

MariaLisa
15 years ago

Rosa

You not reacting (NC rule) confirms what I thought all along, you think Im not here for sincere genuine reasons. I have vowed not to surround myself in negativity again. Also not on blogs. i dont need to be here when people are making me feel like i am crazy. THAT is psychopathic and i cannot take it.

blueskies
15 years ago

Rosa x
I apologised and gave my reasons for thinking the way I did I think it was a useful post for others to read to SEE where I had made the connection. I was confused by an inconsistancy in some things people said(i.e, continents and timezones) which has now been ‘rectified’. You understand that dont you.

I am sticking to betty’s suggested plan from now on, because I have at least in my confusion 100% worked out one thing and that is that the most important thing to ME is that I do not want to be disrupted here, or our business on here being disrupted by anyone of ill intent who might pass through and that is the most effective way of doing things without taking down a lorry load of innocents in the ‘cross fire’.

Rosa. I do understand you. I hope we understand eachother.xxx

Rosa
15 years ago

Tilly:

“I am totally with you 100% on what you are seeing.”

I know you are, Tilly.
I would like everyone here to know that I would NEVER imply that someone is a “fake”, unless I was 100% sure about what I was talking about, ESPECIALLY on this website. The statements that Tilly and I are making are NOT based on a “hunch” or false assumptions. I understand how hurtful/devastating it would be to someone if I were mistaken about what I am implying.
But, I am not wrong. In fact, I think I have been right every time.

Tilly, I have been dealing with a clean, sober, psychopath (the sister-in-law) for the last 7 years. When you deal with a psychopath on a continuous basis, I think your senses become extremely sharp and “tuned-in” to all of their little quirks, oddities, and manipulation tactics. And I think the same thing has happened to you from your own life experiences. Am I right, Tilly? I don’t want to assume.
But, I believe that is why we see these situations so similarly.

Stamina…yes, I have strength and stamina, but I am not going to waste too much more of it on the imposters here on this site. I have got my own life to worry about.
Oh, Tilly, the icing on the cake….My Mom picked up an S!!
So, now my brother is married to a clean, sober, P, and my Mom is dating an S. I tried to warn her, and of course, she does not believe me.

Anyway, Tilly, Elton John sang “Good-Bye Norma Jean” at Princess Diana’s funeral. I LOVE Princess Diana (even more than Oprah 🙂 ).

Speaking of Oprah, here in the States, Oprah is sort of a “National Treasure”, so no one would ever dare call her a narc., at least not in this country.
Even if she is a little N-ish, we give Oprah a pass, because she really is a great humanitarian.
Tilly, wouldn’t it be great if we could get on the “Oprah’s Favorite Things” episode, where she gives away all of the free gifts to the audience members???
Maybe we could get some one-on-one time with Oprah in the ‘green room’, so we could educate her on sociopaths.
After all, let’s be real here. She doesn’t quite “get it”.

P.S. You should definitely save your stamina for your art teacher, and I am going to save mine as, well.

Rosa
15 years ago

MariaLisa:

I have read every word of your posts.

You are WAY TOO CONCERNED about what I think.
If you disagree with someone’s post, just ignore it.

You are not a fragile individual. Please continue with your healing.

P.S. By the way, have you seen Hannah_Green?
I believe you were the first one who responded to her post yesterday morning, over on “The Coldest Man I’ve Ever Known” thread (April 2009 archives).
I am very concerned about her, because she is also a new poster. And, she seems to have disappeared as quickly as she appeared.

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