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Please do not engage abusers

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July 24, 2009 //  by Donna Andersen

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Yesterday, Lovefraud had an intruder. I saw this guy’s first couple of posts, which struck me as odd, but not necessarily offensive. I decided to keep an eye on him.

Before long, however, several longtime Lovefraud contributors began attacking this individual. I thought the attacks were unwarranted.

We have had occasions in the past when people started accusing newcomers of being sociopaths. I think this is a very dangerous thing to do based on a few posts that may sound different from what we generally see here.

Meaning is missing

Experts have found that 65 percent to 90 percent of the meaning in human communication comes from nonverbal cues—tone of voice, gestures, posture. That means when the primary form of communication is via words on a computer monitor, 65 percent to 90 percent of the meaning is missing.

So how can we be sure of a person’s intentions? Not everyone is an expressive writer—some people may be stiff and formal. And not everyone may speak (and write) English as a first language.

Furthermore, Lovefraud.com is not a closed, invitation-only forum. It is open to the public, so it is quite possible that we have readers who are not victims, or former victims, of sociopaths. People who have been lucky enough not to have experienced the assault of a sociopath have a very different perspective from those of us who have been there. They may wonder, in writing, what all the bellyaching is about. That doesn’t mean they are sociopaths.

We also may have people who jump into a conversation without much of an introduction. There is no prerequisite that people tell their stories before participating in the Lovefraud Blog. Someone may just want to make an observation or pose a question. The post may sound different from what we generally see. That doesn’t make him or her a sociopath.

Jumping to conclusions is not helpful. In one situation, a person was attacked in what I believe was simply a case of mistaken identity.

Negative intentions

Now, it does turn out that everyone who sensed negative intentions on the part of yesterday’s intruder was right. Checking the IP address, I found that it was the same guy who showed up a few days ago. He actually posted on another forum, where predators apparently compare notes, that he hacked into his girlfriend’s computer and found references to Lovefraud. He then invited all his cronies to launch an attack on this blog.

A few Lovefraud contributors did write to me to express concerns, which I appreciate. I was watching this individual. But I admit that he began to show his true colors after I was away from the computer, and I didn’t react quickly. Now, however, I have deleted all his posts.

Personal attacks are not tolerated

The policy at Lovefraud is that personal attacks against other bloggers are not tolerated. I ask everyone, even long-time contributors who suspect a predator, to observe this policy.

So when you believe that someone is here to cause trouble, please do not engage. Do not react. Do not take the bait. Because when we do, we just feed the beast, and the entire Lovefraud conversation degenerates.

It’s important for us to be listening to our intuition. But when we get messages that something is amiss, what should we do? In the real world, we advocate No Contact. I believe we should do the same on Lovefraud.

Remember, they’re looking for a reaction. If we don’t give it, most of them just go away.

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blueskies
15 years ago

It is what I was going to ask you on e-mail.

Rosa
15 years ago

Blueskies:

I am NOT trying to force my opinions on ANYBODY here.
I understand that NOT EVERYONE is going to share my position.

You can chat with ANYONE you like on this site!
That’s the thing, Blueskies. Not everyone sees these things the same way, or at the same time.

Blueskies, just know that your instincts about this situation have been GREAT.

Rosa
15 years ago

I am talking about your INITIAL GUT INSTINCTS, Blueskies.

Elizabeth Conley
15 years ago

Thank you Donna.

This is really good advice, and I’m trying to follow it. I recognize that every time I call an S or N on his/her behavior, it backfires on me.

Better to let them be – even if it just about kills me to keep my trap shut.

Around this house we like to say that “Silence is Golden, and duct tape is Silver. It usually takes the judicious application of Silver for me to mimic Golden. I wish it weren’t so, but ’tis!

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Donna Andersen
15 years ago

Thank you all for your contributions to this discussion and for your support.

In answer to a few questions – screening people before they come here would be a logistical nightmare, so I’m not sure that is a possibility. Also, I don’t know why the article in which the problem started is down, because I didn’t take it down. I’m looking into it. I deleted all of pianoman’s comments, and a few from others that were direct attacks, but that is all.

I will be preparing a page on Lovefraud’s anti-abuse policy. The page will always be available in the navigation panel on the left side of the blog, and I plan to structure it so that it will help to solve problems when they occur, especially when I’m not watching. I am afraid that I’m not a night owl, and rarely on the site when it’s nighttime in New Jersey.

I am sure, as Oxy and others have posted, that incidents like this will happen again, so it is good that this discussion is taking place on how to deal with them. I’m sure we can work this out.

Thank you all for your contributions. The Lovefraud Blog has grown to be more than I ever imagined.

MariaLisa
15 years ago

Blueskies:
please dont be upset, youre so wonderful and i have appreciated our chats so much.

rosa:
im going to ignore you trying to form something here, i dont know what it is. either way its hurtful and upsetting. and thats all i can say about it cause i dont know whether i fully understand the dynamic in the first place.

MariaLisa
15 years ago

rosa

and you saying i am not a fragile individual: i havent judged a single soul here and you just come out here and label me. please dont do that. i respect you, you dont have to talk to me if you dont want to but lets not get personal and hurtful without good reason.

Ox Drover
15 years ago

One of the things I notice when one of these trolls comes on here is the destruction of TRUST among bloggers for each other and for their safety here.

People’s feelings get hurt and paranoia rises, anger gets triggered when you are anxious, not trusting of those around you, even old cyber-friends, etc.

However, we are never going to live in a world totally free of Ps on the prowl, even here at LF, they will pop in from time to time. I think, though, that since Tilly will run into hers in University and can’t avoid her, and since they will move next door to us, be at our work place, etc. this is a GOOD EXERCISE IN LEARNING TO: (1) spot them by what and how they say things—without over reacting or being paranoid (2) give them the cold shoulder (3) warn the “rest of the herd” that there is a LION on the prowl (4) observe and notice the SIGNS by their lack of empathy, their inappropriate use of “humor”, their nasty cracks, their put downs etc.

Then we warn Donna. She cannot monitor this blog 24/7 guys, and as the beneficiaries of LF, I think it behoves us to WATCH OUT for LF. To be donna’s eyes and ears and trust her enough to notify her (and no she isn’t going to get up in the middle of the night so we may have to delay til lmorning) but I TRUST that Donna will take care of teh situation.

UIf it is really bad she will immediately (as soon as she finds out) delete it and block them—if she can, there are some she has had difficulty blocking, and I thinkk this GROUP of Ps working together will be one those problems. But by trusting Donna, watching out, and working together, we can handle it! I know we can, and hold on to each other’s hands, not get lost in the chaos of some other blogs of suvivors where even the managers will flame you! I’ve been there and done that!!! And voted with my feet!

LF does so much good and I don’t want posters to vote with their feet here.

Kathy is right, each of us is in a different level of healing, and some are more raw than others, but by holding on to each other we can NOT let these Ps WIN! by destroying our healing path or knocking us off of it!!! TOWANDA!!!!

Elizabeth Conley
15 years ago

This is a bit off topic. I apologize if I’m being disruptive in asking:

What happened to Steve’s last article? I thought it was interesting, as always. It was there, and then it was gone. I’m not complaining. I’m just asking.

I like Steve’s articles and the conversations that tend to follow. His articles are very insightfu.

Blessings,

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Conley
15 years ago

Arggh! insightful.

My cutesy french manicure is getting too long!

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