The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Lesson,
tell him in no uncertain terms to stop. If he continues, save the IM’s and use them to get a protection order.
Great idea Sky,
But is that legal? Can I get a protection order because he simply IM”s me?
hmmmm………..this might also assist me around town too. Don’t they have to stay a certain amount of feet or something to that effect with a protection order?
Depends on what the IM’s say. if they are threatening, than it will help. Always be ready to record and document any dialog between you just in case. Evidence adds up.
Lesson, I disagree with Skylar on this….I SUGGEST NOT RESPONDING AT ALL. Even telling him to GO AWAY is a response and Gavin Debecker in “The Gift of Fear” says if he contacts you 30 times and you contact him back to say “Do not contact me” he learns that after 30 contacts you will RESPOND….” NO contact means NO contact and if you have to change your phone number, IM or whatever CHANGE IT—it may be that somehow if these people did get through that you did not correctly block them (I’m a dummy on that sort of thing so I can’t tell you how to do so but I am sure there are people who can—contact one of them.)
Unless the IMs or texts or voice messages are CLEAR THREATS (I want to see you dead, etc.) there is little chance you can get a protective order on them.
lesson learned – contact yahoo and tell them that you want to permanently block someone WHO IS HARASSING YOU.
yah never know!
i kept getting a request to im from someone i don’t know and i went into my settings and blocked them and they didn’t come up again. but that was a request, not an im. although – if you delete him from you email address book, that might help also. ih ave never used yahoo im, so am not sure of the ins and outs of it.
all else fails, get a new email address. i had to do it. it’s really a minor inconvenience when you think of the affect of hearing from him. choose an email that doesn’t identify you – because he will search once her realizes that your email address is no longer valid (BTW that may take 2 months – so he could try to IM you and never find you online!)
One,
I’m going to go ahead and change it. Just pisses me off that I need to, ya know?
Ox, I’m a dork when it comes to this stuff too. I know I did it correctly, but he still came through anyway. That’s what I thought with regards to a protective order. I wasn’t sure.
It’s okay, I’ll just change it. Just makes me angry!!! And I haven’t responded to him, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh I SO WANT TO TELL HIM TO EFF OFF< but to him what that means is AHA! GOT A SOFT SPOT AGAIN! I DO understand why no contact is so important, given how their minds work. There is no one thing I could say that he wouldn't turn on me with or love bomb me with, depending upon whether or not he's between women or with many lol! I know better now. I just keep reading here. It helps A LOT!
NO WAY!
I think ‘telling’ too much is part of our hypervigilance in our current world.
Sure, I think if someone was looking, they could put all our stories together…..by what we write.
Funny thing is…..I still can’t figure out who’s stories are who’s if peeps disappear, the name becomes familiar….not so much the stories….or god forbid if someone changes their name….I’m doomed!!!!
I think my experiences are valuable to others. And to me, this is the way I can make some good come from what I lived and endured…..If even ONE person can avoid the same pitfalls……I’m PLEASED!!!!!
If my experiences can help others…….I’m PLEASED!
This is why I continue to share. I want others to be empowered……I did it, so can YOU!
If someone really wanted to target us…..they would, here or in real life….regardless of what/how/where we did anything…..
we have to allow ourselves to also be human, and the best protection we all have is doing what we are doing……learning about the red flags, learning how to divert them and learning how to dig our heals in when our gut screams.
I often wonder about people who hold things in…..I’m a letteroutter type……and look at how sick I got! I’d proly be dead if I was a keeperinner type. Shit!
We all need someone to lean on, unload to, take advice from or just sit with…….LF in many ways offers all of this. Yes, we are public…….and at times, that has it’s pitfalls…..but I think the overall good from sharing/helping/gaining support from our friends here at LF is something invaluable for all of us.
For me, the benefit outweighs the risks!
If someone really wanted to read the past 2 1/2 years of what i’ve wrote…..go getem baby! I’ve written my beliefs, my truth and my experiences……..Don’t like it….fuck off!
Dang…..1/2 the time I can’t even find my own posts…..
So……The only use I have for a spath now……is to just fuck with em! Here AND in real life…..
I got your backs!
XXOO
EB
EB,
I think that is SO true! Yet another perspective!!! I’m a lettererwriter too lol!! I LOVE to write out my thoughts and this is a lot like writing a diary here!!! I’m still trying to find my voice. Spath HATED that about me!!! “do you ALWAYS have to write a BOOK?” Why, yes I do ASSHOLE!!! I honed more writing skills writing out all kinds of shit to my Spath the last ten years then I ever did in SCHOOL lol!!
A couple of things here. One of the things I find SO AMAZING about this site, unlike ANY Other, is how HONEST all of you are with yourselves and where you’re at on this journey, or where you were and your responses to your ex’s. I held this stuff in and when I did share it on other sites, I was literally articulately FLOGGED for doing so!!! No one GOT IT, like people here GET IT.It is ENORMOUSLY healing and empowering for me! So to all who have contributed here, thank you!!! I’m learning A LOT in a short period of time. Integration is coming, if not slowly.
Another thing. I’m becoming more aware of myself, how I got sucked in, stayed in, then got out. My reactions and responses. In so many ways I feel RELIEVED that the way I reacted and what is happening now, were NORMAL responses to a SICK person…..to A LOT of sick people in my life. If there is one OUNCE of normal within myself at all, or even the slightest healthy perspective, I’m already beginning to win the war,evenif I lost the battle initially. Right now, I’m grieving. Mourning. Mourning what I wanted him to be, what he turned out to be, but also mourning apart of myself too, I think…mourning that woman that was so apart of what I wanted HIM to be. Does that make sense? Mourning all I was, all I gave, and also SOOOO much I lost, so much pain I caused and lived. The years lost. It will take awhile to grieve this. I am very hypervigilant right now, in survival mode. Even as I type out my thoughts to others here, I see things that need correction within myself, projections, reactions in the same way I reacted to Spath….
Anyway….thanks for this site. It is providing tremendous healing to me on so many levels….and a true breaking from my ex,even if it’s very painful right now.
Dear Petite –
” he said he would end 2010 and yes, oct 2010, he has moved out and they are in mediation for divorce….he said he wanted to be honest and tell me his ugly past so that I know it all and that he does not want to reconnect with that past.”
Who said? Oh – that’s right, HE said. That would be the same HE who lied many times to his wife? The same HE who compromised her safety and her life with exposure to STDs? So, THAT HE? The dishonest, dishonourable one with callous disregard for his partner? And you would believe anything HE says, because….why again?
I say this not to judge you. I say this because MINE did exactly the same (although we met after they had actually split up and were living apart) and said exactly the same – that he wanted to confess his past wrong deeds and live a cleaner, better, more honest life. No he didn’t. I didn’t know the half of it (still finding out more, 10 years after meeting him) and he did keep doing ALL OF IT AND MORE and he appears to have been at his most disrespectful and dishonest in the time he spent with me. He did not want to reconnect with his past because I would join too many of the dots together if he did so.
The single best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour.
” he is nice as long as things go his way. He does like to win arguments and tries to be defensive.”
Same, same, same, same, same.
You know what? Red flags don’t just look red because of rose-coloured glasses; red flags are STILL red when you take the glasses off.
Nothing nobody else hasn’t already said, but I remind you – your GUT is screaming at you for very good reason. We only say what we say to you because we have ignored our OWN gut-screaming in the past and it has been very much to our peril.
You already know the answers or you would not be asking the questions.
LL:
One thing I realized is, they know how to deal with adversity. They like negative, they like contradictory thinking and they LIKE being told to fuck off…..why, because it starts something, they know how to handle.
This is where the self discipline comes in……by reacting contradictory to what/how they expect. They DON”T know how to deal with that.
This is why NC is great. They don’t know how to deal with it…..they pursue and pursue……get a shut door…..that they alawys knew how to open before…….but NOT now….their antics don’t work…..omg, omg, she’s not responding…..what do I do…..then the desperation unravels, and the mask slips…..and boom…..self exposure!
All we got to do is plant a few seeds here and there…….simple. And sometimes not even that is needed.
I remember when I went NC. It was before LF. I came to the conclusion that it didn’t matter WHAT or HOW I said anything……if we could ‘talk’…..we woudnlt be in this position.
He called and called……numerous times a day. I taped all the messages. First message was hey baby, give me a call, this is spath. …..Love you.
Second, Hey, where ya at, I havn’t heard from you…..love you, call me.
Third, WTF…..can you at least call me back, there is something Important….Call me…..
4th: Why are you such a biatch….we’ve got a business to run and your fucking things up…..call me!
5th. Fuck…..I can’t do anything if you don’t call me…..
6th: FuckenA man…….i’vegot this to do and I don’t have all day…….your ignoring me…..why bitch?!
7th blah, blah
8th Blah, blah, blah…….heightened……fuck, bitch, i’ll ruin you….yadydaydaydad wha, wha, wha, wha……..
I saw that in ONE day. And realized right then…..it was about HIM. Not US, not the business, not the kids…..but HIM, HIM, HIM.
I never called him back after that.
I found the drugs shotrly after……it was ALL SO CLEAR!
NC is key……no adversity…..just NOTHING ….grey rock!