The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Hi aussiegirl,
you said – he did not want to recoonect with the past as I would be able to join the dots.
so does that mean he did not go bakc to the past women, but instead started out with new dishonest and disrespectful deeds.
petitie
Petite,
that’s what love fraud is about, it starts off learning about them, the spaths, but then it ends up with learning about ourselves. That’s the great part.
I know how you feel about him because I’m also attracted to men that I can have interesting and intelligent conversations with. I “live in my head”, so that’s what attracts me.
But a married man turns me off because I can’t stand someone who would cheat. I just find it disgusting to be so self-centered and lacking in compassion or respect for the commitment that was made. Yuck.
thanks skylar.
when did you dump your s, was it when you caught him cheating on you.
My jerk S said that he + wife know his marriage is over and comatose and he is going ahead with divorce and so he wanted to pursue me. I told him that would still be cheating and make me also look disrespectful and that only if he moved out and started divorce, I would consider going out with him.
but none of this can change the fact that he cheated in the past – I asked him why – he said he was reckless, there was something missing in his life, he was not looking for a relationship, he does not know why he behaved that way, just that he was reckless at that stage in his life. (7 years ago).
petitie
Petite
There is another topic and I can’t find the exact wording so I hope someone else can find it for you… “he is the lie from Hello to Goodbye”
Just to let you know there are no “goodies” to be had.
NOBODY gets any goodies FROM this guy, he is all about TAKING goodies like a vampire sucks the lifeforce from his “chosen one”. That’s the myth, that he has anything of substance to GIVE.
It feeds his ego that someone would lose all they worked for in life just b/c they thought HE was hotstuff – THAT”s why he’s the dead end. B/c my dear, there is NOTHING else, no emotional connection and no sharing. HE is THAT emotionally SHALLOW.
You think you are losing out on something special? HOW OLD IS HE? Yet, he hasn’t given it to ANYONE in all his years and YOU THINK something psychic, universal happened to bring you together? That’s MAGIC thinking, what CHILDREN do. THE FACT is that what brought you two together at that time was he was DONE USING THE LAST WOMAN and was looking for his next victim. He was PREDATORY, it was NOT destiny.
Petite,
You’re too kind! And that’s what gets us into trouble lol! I have to add some humor sometimes….thank you.
I USE to worry about the next one being the “Chosen One”, yes. That somehow his wife, as well as (after he divorced) the next woman, getting something that I didn’t get. HE KNEW THAT and THAT WAS THE HOOK HE USED TO KEEP ME SUCKED IN!!!!! SO, having said that, he would “intimate”, “Imply” that some other would have it better with him if I rejected him OR what I was giving him was simply NOT ENOUGH…so if I didn’t up the anty, he was going to go ELSEWHERE. Nice, right? WRONG….
What I meant about mourning the girl that believed Petite, was that I’m grieving the girl that was living out her OWN fantasy of what she WANTED him to be, versus what HE IS…..in other words, some of that innocence, no wait, ALL of the innocence about the idea that there is good in everyone, is gone. That’s not true and it took ten years of abuse and pain with my involvement with a married man to realize that HE wasn’t a good man, and in fact, represented the evil in human form in the world.
You see, Petite…he played on what he KNEW I wanted with him…He also played on what he KNEW was SO important to me. They are VERY good at honing in on the DESIRES of your heart and then subsequently QUASHING THEM EFFECTIVELY!!!
I understand what you’re saying about intellectual, stimulating conversation. My Spath came off to me that way AT FIRST. It was one of the MOST important things that I wanted in a man in a relationship. But as time went on, while it’s nice to be able to have a intelligent conversation with a man who shares your interests the idea here is to understand the MOTIVE for him seemingly SHARING Your values, wants, desires, etc. My spath couldn’t hold a conversation after the love bombing was over. Dumb as a BRICK! Either that or he was simply CHOOSING not to give me what I wanted anymore because I was hooked.
I just read what you wrote to Skylar. Petite, he has EXCUSES for his behavior. He expects that you will BUY those excuses..and that’s all they are. What I DID NOT see in any of the things he said to you was GENUINE REMORSE, GUILT Or anything else. It would be ONE thing if he had cheated on his wife ONCE, and even THAT is a stretch….but multiple times is more than just a red flag. He will repeat this behavior.
I can tell you, that with all the hope I had about my exSpath and I after he got the divorce, it all DISSOLVED WITHIN ONE YEAR!!!!
If there is ANYTHING I can do or say to spare you the intensive pain that I see in your future if you continue with this man, having lived it Petite, I would. I know it’s super hard!! I KNOW!! But you will be SO THANKFUL if you can let him go and hold onto what you have NOW, which is yourself! The great thing about you being here now and Ox being your friend is God’s grace operating for you NOW, intervening NOW before you LOSE all you know NOW and give it to this man!!! You will be dodging a MAJOR bullet and thus can work on yourself for just a while longer, figuring out what attracts you to these men….and set yourself up quite nicely for a GREAT man to come into your life!!! Petite, if you go through with being with this man, your healing is going to be massively painful and will take a long long long time to get over. YOu’re in such a GREAT position to avoid the trauma we have experienced here with continued involvement!
It is ultimately up to you, but having been there, done that, I can tell you that this man is NOT going to change and you WILL be victimized. The NEXT woman will NOT have it better. TRUST ME. If you EVER question that, THINK REALLY HARD ABOUT WHAT HE HAS SAID TO YOU ABOUT HIS OWN WIFE AND HOW CALLOUS HE IS ABOUT HER, BECAUSE IF YOU CONTINUE YOU WILL BE THE NEXT ONE HE SPEAKS OF IN THE SAME WAY!!!!!
Just give it some thought! You’re in great company here!
It’s also very important to
petite –
“I feel will she be the “chosen one” and get all the goodies.”
Sweetheart, there ARE no “goodies” with these people – only Snow White’s poison apple. You need to trust us on this one. We KNOW.
“he did not want to reconnect with the past as I would be able to join the dots.
so does that mean he did not go bakc to the past women, but instead started out with new dishonest and disrespectful deeds.”
Very much so, although he has continued (more than 10 years after their divorce) to harass the ex-wife prior to me and is doing so to this day. He pitted her and I against one another for 10 years, telling each of us dreadful and untrue things about the other, so that we would never get together and compare notes on him. He used their child (for whom I cared almost solely for 4 years) to do this also, telling me that she was abusive to the child (and therefore he should live with us) and telling her that I abused the child (so that she would yell and swear at me whenever she telephoned to speak with the child; now I know that she handled that bit badly, but who can say how a mother would feel, thinking that her baby boy was living with and was at the mercy of a monster?)
It was only recently (2 months or so back) that I contacted her and we met a few times and spoke for many, many hours and discovered that his lies ran deeper than either of us had even thought they did. We were able to explain to one another the misconceptions he had brought about between us and to make our peace with one another.
One of the things I discovered from talking to her was that the “workplace” back injury that he claimed had happened just before I met him 10 years ago and that we successfully sued his employer over, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, was actually a pre-existing condition from a surfing accident 30 years ago. She says that for the entire 14 years that they were together (so – from 24 years back) he had been having treatment for it almost weekly. So – I was inadvertantly a part of a fraudulent lawsuit and various insurance claims that followed afterwards.
Once our property settlement in the Family Law Court is done with, I will be going to the Insurance Commission and telling them about this and she will be giving evidence that the injury was already there from years ago and was NOT caused by a work accident at all.
Also – as far as my not being able to “connect the dots” of his past: he told me he had an uneasy relationship with his sisters and that they did not get along, so we rarely socialised with them unless it was a family occasion that we could not get out of. He ensured that there were no opportunities for me to cultivate friendships with either of them or exchange confidences. Had this been the case, they would have told me that he had been cheating on his women since his teens and that he had always lied and manipulated his way around their parents and that his behaviour disgusted them. As it was, I was not told any of this until the marriage was over and I went looking for answers and asked these people direct questions and then found out what they really thought of him. Even his own mother, which shocked me to the core. (Her excuse for saying nothing was that she thought I would be the one who would change him….)
Aussie!
You’re VERY blessed to have been able to have those conversations with your ex’s exwife!! I WISH I could with my Spath’s ex!!! I think it would provide MANY answers for she and for myself! I’ve been tempted many times to call and speak with her, but I ultimately choose not to approach her first because she is VERY happy with her life now and I don’t wish to bring up any reminders to her of a painful past she has put behind her. It’s something I’m praying for to happen someday. SOMEDAY!
The things you uncovered, even though your experience was horrendous, must have had a profound effect on your healing process towards peace. As far as going to the Insurance Commission, I hope you NAIL HIS ASS!! I LOVE IT when (as EB puts it) someone gets the opportunity to BACKSPATH, thus proving that Karma DOES happen eventually to these evil people!
Blessings!
EB – oh, that’s what your affinity for him is, BOUNCY HAIR! And here you told us all it was the crotch scratching!
i totally get the awe and wonder at this glorious creature, and the last thing i’d want is for him to get hurt – but just ’cause you can backspath the ex, doesn’t mean you can hang with the bears and come out unscathed! I was thinking about this today; please be careful.
thanks a ton Lesson,
you write so well, in just 2-3 days, I feel you know me so well.
you said – you are grieiving the girl – that is you, I suppose, I understood that part. but this is confusing –
ALL of the innocence about the idea that there is good in everyone, is gone. That’s not true and it took ten years of abuse and pain with my involvement with a married man to realize that HE wasn’t a good man, and in fact, represented the evil in human form in the world.
so do you still think there is good in everyone, I think there is good in “normal everyone” but not these ones with red flags.
by the way, he did say that he felt bad and how his doings have ruined the marriage and breaking his family and it will affect his kids, but I think it is just all nonsense to make me hear what I would like to hear. I think he would have not gone ahead with the divorce, but as we know with S and P’s, it is all about power and control, after his cheating acts, the wife made him write a letter to his few best friends with the names of the owmen and the list of his bad acts, so that the friends will know how bad he is, he did so (this I beleive, as those friends are doctors and I could ask them) S even said he can show me that list. she then contorlled his every movement and finally at one stage she told the kids and that I thnk was the last straw, as now the kids did not like him. to a S this is total loss of control and exposure. He was totally demasked, so to him, now being with the wife was of no purpose, she had exposed him and was now the “boss”.
this is just my thinkign, becoz to me, why break a marriage, pay huge amounts in allimony, property division etc, when he could have still continued to cheat behind her back.
petite
Aussiegirl,
HA! I LOVE the validation!
My husbands mother announced to the village that her precious son and and I were NOT a match b/c I failed to “Bring him around” (fix what was wrong with him). Again, me the scapegoat, was blamed for HIS misdeeds b/c if I had been a GOOD woman, he would have straightened up and turned into a GOOD husband. (at the time, this event humiliated me. Now I see their rejection as a badge of HONOR!)
I LOVE seeing the same backwards thinking occurs on the other side of the world! LOL!