The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Thanks LL –
I toyed with the idea for ages before I did anything. I wrote her a letter 3 years ago but never sent it. I finally bit the bullet and sent her a brief message on Facebook (of all things…)(the wonders of modern technology!)
Said something like, “I really think we should get together and swap stories about our ex-husband. I believe that we are probably both in a good position to help one another but will understand if you choose not to contact me and will not try to contact you again if that is your choice. If the things that you have been told about me are anywhere near as awful as the things that I’ve been told about you, I wouldn’t blame you for running a mile. It’s just that I have every reason now to think that he lied about you the way I know he is lying about me.”
As it turned out, she has more to gain from being in touch with me than I do from her, although the information I now have has been very enlightening indeed. He hasn’t paid her Child Support for their son for the past 3 years, claiming that I stole all of his money and that he is destitute. I have copies of documents showing how very wealthy he actually was these past 3 years, due to the fact that he is dragging me through court to try to milk more money out of me and put me out of my home and on the streets as a punishment for speaking openly about what he is and what he has done. So – she will be able to go to the Child Support Agency with copies of my documents and he will also be done by them for Child Support fraud.
It’s all in the timing and the planning though – must be done right, so patience is the order of the day.
You know, I nearly didn’t send that message. Also, I think if I had been too pushy and not given her an “out” (the option not to contact me), she might not have responded. Even if your spath’s other ex seems happy, we all know how difficult it really is not to have answers. It’s the “not-knowing” that is part of the “crazy-making” that brought us all to our knees; knowledge is power; knowledge used clevery and in good time can be deadly.
Perhaps your contacting her will also be the answer to her prayers? If you keep it simple and non-confrontational and give her an escape clause, she just might surprise you. x
Petite,
Yes, he SAYS he feels bad, but somehow he doesn’t feel bad enough to man up and correct/redeem himself. (bet he doesn’t feel as bad as what his WIFE AND CHILDREN feel!)
damn, i have to respond to ne more post before i zzzzz.
petite.
who told yo all this crap about the letter and blah blah? Him? she was in control of him? I really doubt that. Don’t ask the other doctors, ’cause you are going to look like an ass.
ANYTHING A SPATH TELLS US WAS DONE TO THEM IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE DONE TO SOMEONE ELSE, OR WANT TO DO TO SOMEONE ELSE! Bear this in mind AT EVERY TURN!
okay, to bed i go…
Lesson + Aussie,
one maybe a difficult question – about contacting the S’s wife, even I have had that thought.
when you met with S, even he was married, right, like my S.
as my S’s wife is presently going thru the divorce, it would be too painful for her to learn about me.
I do know that from her I will get the truth and all the answers. but as Aussie said – it is the timing, patience is a virtue.
should I wait till she is out of the divorce or should I contact her. Oxy thinks – no point contacting her.
Also, I do not know her at all, what if it blows up in my face and she goes and tell him.
just thoughts.
pettie
Hi Lesson –
looks like this is incomplete
Just give it some thought! You’re in great company here!
It’s also very important to —???
petite
LOL! Petite!
Merely an editing error on my part! As if I didn’t say ENOUGH already lol!
Petite,
May I recommend that you set thinking of HIM aside and just think of you?
It’s obvious that you think a man who is repeatedly unfaithful to his wife, and has been exposed so he is now looking to move to where they don’t know the truth about him and his mask remains in place… and you are still considering him for yourself?
Again, your logic evades me. Why, when YOU are such an amazing catch, settle for pond scum? (frankly, b/c I am a romantic and LOVE to match make, You’d be so fun to set up with APPROPRIATE dates.)
Read the article about the ENT doctor who left his wife in $6 mil debt and disappeared. Look at the picture of him NOW. He’s not so appealing. He looks like a lowlife thug.
Petite –
If they ARE divorcing, hopefully she already has his measure. So – warning her would not be your mission. The fact that you were involved with him prior to the “paperwork” being done and dusted COULD make you a target for her rage and frustration.
I agree with Oxy that you should lay low for the time being. You are going through enough in trying to extricate yourself from this awful mess – you will need all of your mental fortitude for that battle. Sadly, with spaths (if that’s what he is), break-ups are not within the “normal” realms; they are twisted and protracted for as long as there is mileage left in them for the spath. You need to keep your wits about you.
Once you are completely NO CONTACT and the dust has settled, you could then revisit the idea of speaking with the ex-wife; who knows, by then she might even have come looking for you? Or, by that time, you might have decided that there is no benefit to be had by contacting her.
For now, though, you need to concentrate on getting out and staying out.
Petite,
I do notice I am being ignored. That’s okay. We choose who we respond to. I have been quite frank with you with truths that are painful to consider. However, as disrepectful as I may seem to you, I’m not nearly as disrespectful as you are to yourself.
**sigh**…Ok, lots to address here Petite,
I’ll just see if I can summarize this in a way, even if it bears repetition, okay?
1. He cheated on his wife multiple times. FACT
2. He has no remorse and showed her no mercy. FACT
3. He talked BADLY of her, TO YOU and others. FACT
4. Multiple cheaters ARE NOT REMORSEFUL AND SPATHS ARE NOTORIOUS SERIAL CHEATERS. FACT!
5. ANYTHING he tells you is a LIE! Anything he says that was done to him was in truth, what he did to THEM. FACT.
6. He has not and WILL NOT take responsibility for his actions. FACT
Another thing to keep in mind here, Petite. I don’t know if you have children or not (sorry if I missed that?), but if you get together with this man, he will PIT YOU (is already grooming you!) against his EX WIFE. In turn, he will do the SAME THING to her about YOU. You will also be WITNESS to his pitting his children against their mother, as well as against YOU. With telling you all of this garbage about his ex (I can guarantee without hearing a word out of this man’s mouth that NONE of it is the truth!!!) is HIS WAY OF GROOMING YOU TO BE PITTED AGAINST HER!!! IF in fact he has to pay out A LOT in alimony and child support and IF you make a reasonable amount of money yourself, you can BET he’s thinking about THAT as well insofar as his “GROOMING” you for HIS purposes.
Petite, he is NOT getting divorced because she’s some freaky control freak. This is the mistake you’re making in your thought processes about him. Not seeing him for who he is nor his motives. Let me explain: Let’s just say that she IS hysterical and “controlling” as you say. WHY do you think she may be behaving that way? Let’s say that that is the truth, but only PART truth. What he is NOT telling you is that HE CAUSED her to be “controlling” as he puts it. HE CAUSED IT! Think about it, if you had lived with constant lying, cheating and abuse, you might just be a BIT harried and may not react “normally” out of that pain and absolute RAGE! So on top of feeling all of that from a horrendously HORRIBLE marriage, you’re being discussed behind your back in the terms that he’s describing her? Major RED FLAG NUMBER ONE HUNDRED MILLION HERE DEAR!!
Petite, you MUST be clear about his MOTIVE. It is NOT the motives of a man who has HEART!!! To put it simply a man does NOT do to a woman what this man has if he can love. PERIOD.
Another thing to think about and I’ll just share a little from my own personal experience. My exSpath use to tell me what a GREAT father he was. The closest he got to any “truth” out of his mouth was only partial in saying to me over and over “I’m not a good husband but I’m a VERY good father!” WTF? WOW and that shit use to make SENSE to me!! LOL!! But that was believing all the LIES he told me about his wife.
Let’s go on the good father garbage here for a minute. Men who are GOOD FATHERS RESPECT THEIR CHILDREN”S MOTHERS!!! He is TEACHING HIS CHILDREN TO DISRESPECT WOMEN, LET ALONE THEIR MOTHER!! THAT IS NOT LOVE, NOR IS IT GOOD “FATHERHOOD”!!! THINK ABOUT THAT. God FORBID if you ever had a child with this man!! UGH!!!
Petite, the stuff about writing letters to whomever is just more maneuvering on his part and actually one of the plays right out the SPATH playbook lol!!! Think about that for a minute too. He says he can show you a list LOL!! Well how CONVENIENT!!! He can sit down himself and right out a list in five minutes without having written ONE LETTER to show you lol!! He could also write the letters out himself and know they were never sent, just to “Prove” to you that he’s redeemed himself LOL!! EL WRONGO CHICA!!!
If he thought you’d buy this, BELIEVE ME, he WOULD DO IT!!!!
The proof is already in the pudding though, Chica. He’s already proven the man he is, the man he would be to you too, the rest is just particulars. 🙂
Hope that helps provoke more thought for you.