The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Lesson and Katy,
It’s becoming quite obvious to me that the reason we were targeted by the spaths was because our parents set us up to take the abuse. That was my story as well – emotional abuse and scapegoating.
I’m so sorry for both of you, but we are together now and we shine the light where we can.
((((Lesson & Katy)))) group hug!
Dear Grandmother,
You were in a lose-lose situation that no matter what you did, the KIDS LOST. He was trying to gain control of the kids, the mother and separate her and them from you.
People who are out for CONTROL know how to get it, and he apparently does know how to do that. The story with the soda pop is so typical of how they use different things to get control, to hold out “carrots” to make others jump through the hoops. To drink soda in front of the kids like that is TORTURE, and to bruise them and hit them is as well. I know it grieves your heart to not be able to keep him away from them, and unfortunately there is no way you can protect these children from him, and their mother obviously isn’t doing so. You are in a terrible pinch—you love and care about these children and yet are kept from protecting them. That is the reality of the situation.
I’m glad that your husband does have contact with them though, so it is not a total shut out. I know it is difficult, painful and seems impossible, but you must take care of yourself at this time since you are unable to care for them–there well may come a time when they need you, just like the 3 foster kids do, so put yourself on the “take care of grandmother” at the TOP and get some help and support. God bless you! (((hugs))))
Skylar Lesson Katy
I read what all you people say and the bottom line always comes back to the parents. I can only feel that I failed my daughter somewhere and wish I could figure out where and find a way to make it right. Why are my boys not like her. They thank me for my lectures and support. They do not condemn me for everything I do. They thank me for the good I do. They ask for my help they just do not assume. Maybe it is just that I am lousy at raising girls. My adopted daughter treats me with nothing but respect. We have our moments and could never live together but at the end of the day we love each other and are there for each other. My daughter just like most of you makes me sound like the witch from hell although if she was to write on here you would not believe the petty shit she uses to make me sound like the witch from hell. I guess my question to all of you is is it always the up bringing that cause our children to become involved with S paths.
Dear grandmother,
the answer to your question is…NO! This is not your “fault.” You did not “make your daughter’s choices” for her or dictate that she should make such choices.
Your daughter is a free agent, she can make her own choices for her own reasons. WHY she chose an abuser, I do not know, and you probably don’t as well. You say you have raised other children that are not abusive to you, that value and respect you. It seems to me that your daughter may also be a combination of victim and co-abuser as well. Or she may simply be his dupe, and he is using her to “get even” with you, she may be in denial, she may be “trauma bonded” to him, I’m not sure any of us could figure out for sure why she is where she is, but it doesn’t matter because there is NO WAY YOU CAN FIX IT. Only she can fix herself, only she can get herself out of denial, only she can protect her children from him and if and until she sees for herself what is going on, she is going to project “blame” for all her problems on to you, and not put them squarely where they belong. On him for doing them, and on herself for repeatedly allowing it.
This is one of those things the “serenity prayer” talks about, “God, Help me to change the things and I can change, and help me to accept the things I cannot change, and grant me the WISDOM to know the difference.” That wisdom to know the difference is the hardest part I think. God bless you and your grandchildren. (((Hugs))))
Grandmother,
I’m a grandmother myself and I’m so sorry to see that you’ve landed here and the reasons why, YET, you will find lots of positive support here! I think Ox is probably the BEST person to really share some insights with you, but I will give you my opinion for what it’s worth.
I have six children. One is my daughter, mother of my grandchildren. She has N traits. She has empathy, I’ve seen that, and she does “Feel”, but there are other times where I see distinct patterns of N behaviors. I CAN tell you that yes, sometimes environmental factors CAN play into your child becoming S/P/N. I spoiled this child. Her father, a P, HATED her and therefore, I didn’t discipline her as strictly as I should have, BUT, ultimately it comes down to whether or not you taught them right from wrong and ultimately gave them love, affection, guidance, no matter your circumstances. Her father may also have tons to do with what she is, but it could also be genetics. I’m merely speculating from what I see you typing.
If you KNOW you taught the differences between right and wrong and you KNOW you showed this child love and guidance, no matter the mistakes you made, it is THEIR choice not to follow what they’ve learned. Once a child reaches adulthood, Grandmother, it’s not up to you anymore. If they got the seeds to know right from wrong and they were loved, there isn’t anything you can do beyond that. This is a situation in which you will have to let go for your own better health and those of your foster children that are in your care. Blaming yourself for her issues is extremely self destructive and UNproductive. If you know in your heart you taught the above and did the best you could as a parent under the circumstances, you would be wise to stand back and let the chips fall where they may and work on yourself. If you are concerned that there are parenting issues on your part, you could get a therapist and explore that. I see some guilt here, and we all make mistakes as parents, but if you explore that in therapy in time, you will be able to acknowledge those mistakes and forgive yourself….and no matter any of that, it is NOT your responsibility anymore for her. It is not. What she does and how she responds now IS NOT YOUR DOING, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY OR YOUR FAULT. I don’t think it’s so cut and dry as it was YOUR parenting exclusively that was to blame. I’m willing to admit my part and there is tremendous guilt on some levels, but my daughter KNOWS right from wrong. TOTALLY, she also was LOVED. I know those two fundamental things were given. What SHE does with all of that is HER stuff!!!
Finding a way to let this go, no matter how painful it is, is going to be the best thing you can do for yourself and your other children. If you have their love and support, all the better. Work on you now, forgive yourself any mistakes you made and remember YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW SHE BEHAVES NOW!
Blessings
Yep, ox and I apparently posted upon one another LOL!
She’s absolutely RIGHT, Grandmother! And said it much better too!
Grandmother,
sometimes kids grow up abused if they watched someone else get abused. Sometimes it is there own mother being abused by someone else. Children take in different things from what they see. I’m glad I didn’t have children because even if I didn’t abuse them, they wouldv’e seen me being abused and God knows what they would have ended up as.
All the while they wouldve been watching my abuse, I would’ve been oblivious that I WAS being abused. Children percieve differently and accurately.
((((((((((((((((( Katy ))))))))))))))))))))))
Ok, now I”M NOT GOING TO CRY!! I”M NOT I”M NOT!!
That is the most kind thing I have ever heard in my life. Genuinely.
I won’t tell you not to be sad for the things I’ve endured…but can I just share that I’m very strong for those experiences? That I feel lucky to be alive? That God’s grace has covered me throughout my life, over and over and over again? I don’t share about the things that have happened to me. I’ve shared them in therapy and I’ve shared them with my son’s therapy in HIS family therapy sessions, and not even my children know the depth of what was the abuse……but I KNOW and KNEW through it all, no matter how painful, that God always loved me. I know that now too. And there IS a reason for the suffering, if not the abuse. I will know that someday too.
I remember so many times being in fetal position…during the deepest times of pain…I would visualize being held in Jesus lap and being comforted by HIM the way I should have been all along. That got me through TONS of traumatic times for sure.
And I DO understand your name and being scapegoated. I’m SO happy that you just love on your child!!! The MORE hugs the better!! My kids get disgusted with me sometimes because I’m overboard on the “Kiss mama on the cheek!” or “Give your mama a huuuuuug!” I do that because I know what it is NOT to have that in my life. I want them to ALWAYS have it, even as adults. There never can be “too much” love for my children.
And they know it!!
And that’s a blessing too!!
I no longer have any contact with any of my biological family and haven’t for some time now. I feel sad about it on holidays, birthdays and for my children, but I know it’s better this way. They have me and my love and the love of “second” family and my friends and their friends! We are blessed.
And ya know what, Katy? If you were here, I’d let ya hug me too 🙂
Thank you for such a kind, compassionate note
HUGS!
Katy,
I’ve been thinking about your story and your spath.
The more I think about it, the more I truly believe that your spath was trying to rob you of your morals. Your high standards and morals are what stand out about you, so it was the “shiny” thing he saw, that you had and he wanted to steal it. When you first came here, you were saying how unfair it was that he always cheated and won, while you played fair and lost. It is obvious that that is what he wanted you to feel. That’s what he had slimed you with. But still, you would not give up your integrity. You are very lucky,
Grandmother,
I too felt that I failed my daughter. How could I not? I saw my mistakes! I lived with an abusive husband and she watched that life and took her own lifeview from that, not completely the lifeview I wished for her.
But at some point I realized that parenting is hindsight. IF I knew what personality she would have as an adult, that is the ONLY way I could know what she’d need as a child. Obviously, beyond some expectations, how your kid turns out is kinda a crapshoot.
I loved my baby, but love wasn’t enough. When she became an adult, she had to chose what values she was going to embrace for her life. I don’t have any power over that choice. I can only love her, not always her choices, but love her.
And when it comes down to it, ya gotta know, you made your choices too. I am who I CHOOSE TO BE. I was raised with a pedophile father and a SEVERELY abusive mother on an isolated farm where people knew my broken bones were not “accidents” and I was starving and NO ONE intervened. And b/c it never occurred to me that anyone would, I don’t have any resentment over what I didn’t get. It just is. BUT, in all that abuse, I did hold on to that thought, “WHEN I AM 18 I WILL BE GONE and YOU WON’T be ABLE TO DO THIS ANYMORE”. That’s pretty empowering.
Whatever you did wrong with your kid, well such is life. Whatever you did right, also the stuff of life. Bottom line is that you are still here for her now, but she chooses different. And that’s NOT your responsibility.
My point was lots of kids have great perfect childhoods and still end up murderers. Lots of kids have misery and end up being loving caring adults. YOU GOT NO POWER OVER HOW YOUR KIDS END UP b/c ONLY THEY CAN CHOOSE WHAT THEY CARRY IN LIFE.
So please, Let that one go and focus on what you do have power over? Mother you are, Saint you may be, God you ain’t.