The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Lesson Learned,
I too have NO contact, no relationship with my birth family. I tried but at one point my visiting sister beat my baby and I flew her back home THAT DAY, the rest of them called me and yelled at me for being so heartless to my sister. I moved, changed my phone number and never spoke to them again until this fall, (25 years!) when I allowed a small interaction with my little sister, who proceeded to condemn and yell at me for abandoning them. Obviously rational conversation was not possible. After that email/call, I changed my number and closed that email account. Abuse is not excused, never.
Leaving saved me, as it did when I left my abusive husband. I have no shame or guilt over that choice. I respect and honor people who treat me with dignity and respect, all others do not make it into my inner circle, and some like my family are rejected from any access to me at all.
ps I pray heaven is like Powell’s. I miss northcoast of USA so much. The rivers, camping, airtight woodstove fires, farmers markerts, Shakespeare Festival, skiing at Bend, calving season, making hay, Tillamock Cheese. There are SO many blessings in this world. I had a sad bad marriage but I’ve had a WONDERFUL blessed life.
Oh And Lesson Learned?!
I too had this amazing connection to God that started when I was a girl. When things got bad, little occurances would remind me I was not alone. Once on a really really bad day, I found a pink quartz rock in the farm field and such rocks were not normal there. But I was named for the Rose of Sharon and I interpreted that rose colored rock of strength to be a gift from God.
Funny how so many of us lived parallel lives. I keep thinking and writing “ME TOO” to so much of what I see here in LoveFraud.
Yes there are a few things that I feel guilty about and she new it and would play it for all it was worth. For years I felt guilty because she chose to go bankrupt and blamed it on her student loan saying I should have paid for her hair school her friends parents paid for there education. Well I sure would have gladly done that if I could have afforded it a the time but did not have the money to do it. I did the best I could to get her education. She blamed me for all her failures and made me feel guilty. After the bankruptcy I saw to it she had a used car. She married her first husband and he had no credit either. We saw to it he had a truck. We helped with food damage deposits. We even set up and paid for her hair shop which she is slowly paying back. Then after all of this she slaps me in the face like I am the wicked witch from hell. Will this ever make sense to me.When they got out of bankruptcy they bought a house and lost it with in the year. The first husband was not a S path but he was a looser. He came from a very dis functional family. She too was very spoiled. But yes she was taught right from wrong good from evil but yet as a adult she does not see it the S path was able to convince her that it is alright to leave a nine year old with a six year old and a six month old. He convinced her that the nine year old needed to learn responsibility. I have a very big I do not understand pile. To see all this happening really makes one think they failed somewhere. I would have told that guy to go to hell and I thought I raised her to be strong enough to do that to if need be. She has no trouble telling me to go to hell. Thanks for listening and communicating with me it does help me a lot. the more I understand the easier it is for me to cope.Sometimes you see something in my writing that I do not. All I want is openness and honesty and I feel you guys have respect enough to do that.
Hi Lesson,
wishing you a blessed new year.
my friend works at OHSU.
so sorry to hear your sorry, I was falling off the chair as I read every word. you are s strong to mother 6 children after all this crap in your life.
can you explain please –
1)you said – S told you his marriage was horrible, but then you said he painted beautiful pictures of life with his wife.
2)after he got the divorce, he did tha same to you as he did to hiw wife – what was that he started doing with you.
3) you said your S and my S said the same lies and have the same motives.
which lies are the same – about the marriage being horrible and painting a life with me.
motive – to suck me in, use me and victimise me like hs wife.
thank you
petitie
Grandmother,
Sorry that her choices burden you so much. But some kids NEED the school of hard knocks. Do what you can, but make sure whatever you do is emotionally healthy. Bailing her out is NOT what she needs. You have a lot of misplaced guilt and you seem to be making choices from that. STOP. Make healthy decisions and know the fallout from a healthy persepctive is the best possible. Anything else is controlling and as you painfully know, you don’t and SHOULD NOT EVER have that power of control.
Be emotionally healthy so you are truly available for her when she finally turns to you in true humble loving need. Hold loosely Grandmother.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Petite!
I don’t want to give you the wrong idea! What I mean by he was painting beautiful pictures of his marriage was that while he was telling me how horrible it was, he was taking her on vacations, out to dinners, etc OUT OF OBLIGATION. WHATEVER!! What I didn’t realize is that it’s the one of the primary signs of a spath. It was manipulation, contradictions. What he SAID was not the TRUTH…his marriage was horrible FOR HER….and our relationship was horrible FOR ME, but for HIM? JUST GRAND!!! He could keep the facade going as to how great to out the OUTSIDE World his marriage was, but TO ME, he painted it out to be just horrible. He pulled this card, with vacations with her etc, to manipulate me into believing that I wasn’t giving enough for him to want to LEAVE her in the first place.
After he divorced he SWORE up and down he wanted to be with me. BUT the abuse got MUCH, MUCH worse in a short period of time as well as the reality he was CHEATING ON ME TOO! Didn’t take long! Same lies he told to his love bombing target, that he told to me about his MARRIAGE AND HIS WIFE…….to play the victim card. SAME EXACT LIES, SAME EXACT SENTENCE, right down to “I feel I can be myself around you” LOL! There is NO “self” to be around!
Maybe not the EXACT same motives. I was pretty much convenient booty call. BUT he also saw my money making potential until he met up with target bazillion at his high school reunion who already HAD been making LOTS of money! Perfect for a spath in debt!!! Also someone to be the “fall” guy for all the other crap he was doing. Someone to abuse. THAT”S ALL.
You would wind up being victimized just like his wife, Petite. ANd if he had that opportunity, he would DEFINITELY do the SAME to you that he’s DONE TO HER! Serial cheaters remain serial cheaters. They don’t change. This man won’t either. Just like mine didn’t. I wasn’t going to change him, his previous two wives could not and the next ones won’t either.
You can’t put lipstick on a pig and not call it for what it is, Petite. A PIG! 🙂
Katy!!
Bless you sweetheart! Yep, Tillamook Cheese! My fave! The factory is pretty cool too. Lots of snow on Mt. Hood this year. And lots of RAIN!!!
I’m glad that you’re safe wherever you are now, but it would have been so nice to meet you here!!
Shakespearean festival in Ashland is awesome. I LOVE Ashland! My daughter graduated from SOU there. She’s in Medford now.
LOTS of beautiful things here. I miss the coast the most. Haven’t been there in awhile!!
Dear Grandmother,
You did not pay for her education and her friend’s family paid for there—-pooooor her!!!! YOU are NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO PAY FOR HER EDUCATION PAST AGE 18….I paid for my own, and worked and had a kid on each hip, you do NOT NEED TO FEEL GUILTY because she said those things. YOU TOO have a CHOICE of how to think and behave. Just because she “tries to make” you feel guilty, you do not have to DO SO. You can say, “IT WAS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY I DID NOT OWE HER THAT.”
She must take responsibility for her own behavior. That is the thing you also have to accept. SHE IS TRYING TO LAY A GUILT TRIP ON YOU—–BUT YOU DO NOT have to pick it up! You have a choice.
Choose to let her be responsible for her own problems, don’t take that responsibility yourself.
She can say bad things to you, but that does NOT MAKE THEM TRUE.
I am sorry my Psychopath son hates my guts, and would like to see me dead. I was not a perfect parent, but his being in prison for murder is HIS responsibility, not mine. I am sorry my other biological son is a liar and doesn’t handle his money well, he will be in deep financial trouble sooner or later. I’m sorry about that, but it is NOT my responsibility to bail him out. I will NOT bail him out. Mom’s savings and loan is CLOSED where he is concerned, because he has not managed his money well, therefore if there is a problem and he doesn’t have the reserves to handle his problems, it is NOT my problem. I love him, but I sure don’t LIKE HIM. I don’t wish him bad things, but I can’t prevent him having bad consequences to his poor choices.
You can’t prevent your daughter having bad consequences to her poor choices, and I don’t see any sense in you ruining your own life taking the guilt and responsibility for her choices. So STOP it RIGHT NOW!!! (((Hugs))))
Ok WARNING WARNING!!! BAD NIGHT, WANTING TO CONTACT!!!!
I WANT to contact, but I WON”T engage!!! This is SO frustrating!!!
It feels JUST LIKE fighting an addiction!!!
I’m questioning all I know, even though I KNOW it!!!
Please encourage. He contacted AGAIN today and I read it.
SHIAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m so ANGRY!!! So frustrated!!!
WHY WHY WHY does this ASSHOLE do this??? He has women left and right to MINDFUCK right now? With what I read, it was CLEARLY TO BAIT ME! It was NOT a love bomb, but merely to let me know that his “dating” is my IMAGINATION and that what I think it is, IS NOT!!
WTF?????????? EVEN IN THE FACE OF FACTS!
I WANT TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM!!!
I’m struggling. It’s the “kissing at midnight” holiday too and he KNOWS how I felt about that and NEVER Having shared that with him while he shared it with his wife. This year he’s divorced.
PLEASE encourage me! I’m gonna read here to get on track.
DAMN ME FOR READING THAT SHIT!
Grandmother!
Okay, let me try to help you out here, Chica. I was where your daughter is, well kinda. Not in that I disrespected my parents, but I ACTIVELY DEFENDED MY EX P CONSTANTLY!! THAT alone would have given the impression that I was an insufferable BITCH, when actually what it was was FEAR on my part, PAIN on the other part…
That was MY responsibility and staying in it was MY choice!!! NOT MY PARENTS!! No matter HOW abused I was, no matter WHOM did it, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY DECISIONS. It’s easier to blame others, even if you’re NOT a spath, than it is to deal with the reality that you’re SCREWING IT ALL UP! BEEN THERE, DONE THAT!!!
oh and I SCREWED it up Grandmother and ya know what? It’s not my parents fault that I made those choices. They made a healthy contribution to the PAIN I was in, but NOT my choices!!! that was MY STUFF!!! MY STUFF!!! Just like all of this is now. It’s MY STUFF!
THIS IS HER STUFF!! I DO understand the pain you’re feeling, particularly when there are grandchildren involved. I truly do. My daughter pulled similar crap on me this summer when I REFUSED To partake in enabling her to be with another MAN in exchange for the children’s father. I simply WOULD NOT buy into her manipulations anymore. And I LOST my grandchildren for MONTHS when that happened and it HURT LIKE A BITCH…but it was the right thing to do and I had A LOT of support in that. It was NOT my stuff. I love my grandchildren DEARLY! I felt SO SORRY for my granddaughter. But ya know what? The time I have spent with her is PRECIOUS to me because SHE KNOWS that I LOVE HER!!! And yours know it too. This is where you take a step back and just let the pigs fly, Chica and work on YOU! It was so hard to see my daughter posting pics of my grandchildren onto FB to my OTHER friends when I was kicked off her friends list. I “stole” the pics, lol! But I let HER hang herself because her attitude was so obvious all over FB with the mutual fam/friends we shared. It SOFTENED her heart, because I kept quiet Grandmother and REFUSED to accept blame and was OKAY with my choice NOT TO PARTAKE ANYMORE!!
This is where you NEED to be!! I have other children left at home too. They’re still under age. THEY need me right now. SHE IS GROWN AND GONE!!!
Also, just food for thought> When you step in and try to assist (enable) out of guilt or feeling sorry for the children (natural response), you STUNT HER GROWTH IN LEARNING FROM HER MISTAKES!
Just think about that a minute.
Blessings