The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Hi Lesson,
when I said – then after 2 months he said he had decided that he would not be sleeping with her and I got very irritated.
what I meant is, one hand he was telling me about his obligations, and now becoz I put my foot down, in 2 months he decided not to slep with her (she was away for 4 months when I met him) so when he met me 2 months later, he had not had a chance to be with her, so he said he thought it over that when she returns he will not sleep with her.
I was irritated as I did not beleive this crap, so I said as long as you are in the same house, I will not beleive you, if you start paper work and move out, it is an indication that the marriage is going to be dissolved and obligations will not be needed. so the jerk is moving out (not becoz of me, I think he had already planned moving out, but I think he was trying to get the best of both worlds as long as he could).
Dear Skylar and Lesson,
thanks for being awake and talking to me. also thanks for the encouragement telling me that I will be able to come out of the insanity.
let me tell you one scenario – we were touring after the conference and went to see a palace (very famous) where the king had a harrem for the concubines.
the guide was showing us around which is very famous to show the lifestyle of that era/ we came to a room called the Kings room, where the king would reside and he would ask his men to bring the concubine or queen mother there to meet him.
so jerk said to me jokingly – this is where I will be and they would bring you here to me”
I felt so insulted and told him this was very disrespectful for a woman. he said I was just being insecure, this was a joke, this is how people lived in that era, it was him making fun, and that I would be the queen, his queen, whom he would ask for, anyway, I still said I was insulted and that we are not living in that era. I said I am sure if you said this to an American gilr she would be insulted. He said – not at all, the american girl would laugh it off. anyway, I was upset and so he said ‘ “should we see the rest of the palace on our own as you are so mad at me”. I said yes and left and met him outside the palace after half an hour.I was so upset, I did not see the remaining palace and went out in the garden and waited for him. he came there later and told me how he had seen some treasures etc and if I liked it also. I said I never saw them.
we just walked and then I said – why did you not just say sorry to me, he paused for a while with a lost look and said “I have a personal defect”, then he said sorry and said “I thought the idea was to see the palace together and you got so mad at my joke, we should still have been together” etc etc.
my point is since you are American girls – let me know, am I over-reacting and could this be an acceptable, non-dememaning joke.
please give me some clarity.
(when he said “personal defect” for himself, I think he knows he is missing something, something is imperfect in him, I actually felt sad when he said that wanted to hug him, I did not, but I did forgive him).
petitie
Petite,
Number one. DO NOT TELL HIM YOU ARE SCARED DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT..one of the things I’m noticing here is that you’re still thinking he will NOT use what you say and MANIPULATE you with it. DO NOT tell him you are “scared”
Just get out. You have to explain NOTHING to him. Just remove yourself. Period. You owe him NOTHING AT ALL. By telling him you are “scared” you’re giving him AMMO to think of another avenue to manipulate, guilt or further suck you back in. Let your no be NO. PERIOD!
Yep, the obligation story. That is WARPED Petite, totally warped. Don’t buy that garbage. HE decided not to sleep with her? Petite, this story gets more wack out of him the more you share about it. He’s doing the same crap my ex spath did. Textbook, Chica.
Yes, the other post was a typo again. I’m so tired and I’m goingto have to call it a night here in a bit, BUT another thing I saw here is that you told him he needed to move out. Do you know for absolute positively sure that he HAS moved out? I smell a HUGE rat here Petite. He’s manipulating you because you keep TELLING HIM what the desires of your heart are, IE: Moving out!!!
DO you see what I’m saying? You cannot say ONE MORE WORD TO HIM OR LET HIM INSIDE YOUR MIND BECAUSE HE WILL USE THOSE THINGS TO MANIPULATE AND BRAINWASH YOU FURTHER!!!! THAT is his MO!!! The MINUTE you share ONE emotion with him, he’s going to take it and RUN with it.
Stop giving him the AMMO Petite. DO NOT say anything with ANY emotion involved. Tell him this, “I want out. Please do not contact me further.” PERIOD. NO EMOTION. NONE ZILCH!!!
And if you don’t feel strong enough to do that, and you have distance DON”T answer his calls, DON”T answer his emails, DON”T text NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
It took me ten YEARS to figure out that my spath LOVED my reactions and would USE manipulation to share my feelings about him and the relationship to suck me in further if he thought I wanted out. IT worked like a charm. Now he gets NOTHING from me!! NO CONTACT!!!! Because once you know what these pieces of shit do and are petite and I DO think you’re getting it, if you continue to give them ANYTHING, they see it as BAIT TO REEL YOU IN!!
I need to get some sleep Petite. Just think on this stuff. Have you drawn up a list yet about the reasons WHY this would be so unhealthy for you? Read these posts over again and see if other stuff that he has said or done makes sense or similar to what MY ex spath has said (again textbook) and for whatever memory you have that comes up, WRITE IT DOWN and read it OVER AND OVER when you have ANY DOUBT in your mind that this man is a liar, cheater if nothing else!! He is TOXIC and because his behavior is a PATTERN it is NOT going to change, chica!
Nite!
Thanks Lesson,
go to sleep – sweet dreams.
Yes, he has moved out 100 %, I know it from other medical colleagues.
anyway – point is -do not say a word to him about my mind. Understood.
since I have been sending him work emails only -he keeps telling me, please tell me what is on your mind, even if there is a slight change of how you feel towards me, please tell me.
will not give him anymore AAMO,
Katy gave good advice – tell him, I need time for myself, just as you need time for yourself.
thanks
petite
Dear Petite, I was reading here your story most of last night, and may I say that you are a fast learner, or your gut has figured the whole thing a LOOONG time ago and you needed validation for your intellect.
In the archives is a very helpful list on getting out without enraging the Spath. As he is in your field he can perfectly ruin your reputation, not professional but the personal reputation! VERY DANGEROUS!!!!
I suggest that you become BORING, you are so busy and do not have time for him, cut down contacts, do not say that you need time for yourself which will keep him waiting for you and excite his need to win you over. By being boring he won’t brag about the “victory” he landed with you, but will go to the next victim.
Become boring, do not tell him about your plans and when he asks tell him you do not have any and that it is fine with you. You have been so busy all your life and it is just wonderful being without any plans, and you do not need a “maitre de plaisir” who does the organisation. Fade away, and he will hopefully stop asking even professional things. Become invisible to him. Heavenly Nirvana.
It will be very hard at first, but with time wounds heal and you will thank the universe for having spared you a horrible experience in your wonderful life! He has already pretty much messed with your mind over the months and set you up for being the perfect culprit (YOU wanted him to get out of the marriage, YOU invited him over to your place, YOU are now backing away not honoring his efforts, YOU cannot take a joke, YOU YOU YOU!!!) He is impeccable, a poor victim of women who manipulate HIM in situations where he cannot help but escape from!
Go to a gym, shapen up, get rid of the energy from all the anger that will build up when you stop worrying and start getting angry at him and foremost at yourself. It is also a very good antidepressant, and you meet real people there!
And do not be too harsh on yourself, please!
((((Hugs)))), and have a great 2011! Libelle
petite, i am an american girl born and raised and what he said is a crock of SHIT! Any girl would be offended at such a statement! I swear the word “you’re insecure” is straight out of the Psychopath Handbook. I heard it too. WE’RE not insecure- THEY’RE inhuman. I would be supremely offended at such a remark… but in their eyes it’s “normal” cause they only see women as objects. What a sleezebag perverted pig.
That said- the very nature of his remark was rude. Whether american girls would take such a statement offensively or not is not the point. The fact is that it offended YOU and that should be enough for him to apologize- any normal person would. But no, in genuine P fashion he has to pull some bullshit remark out of his ass like “American girls wouldn’t be offended.” What a joke.
Thanks so much Libelle and Dancingnacies,
yes you are right, to some extent I needed validation. thanks Dancing for letting me know that my thinking is correct and that statement was out of line.
Libelle – few days after he moved out, I called him and told him that I am unsure of the relationship with him and that his moving out should be his own decision and that as we hardly knew each since we live in different countries, we will need time and are unsure how things will go for us. He said, yes, the divorce is my decision, and that you did not break my marriage.
I have that in an email from him to me too.
Please tell me where exactly is that article in the archives on how to leave the S without enraging him, it will be very useful for me. this is if you have some free itme.
thanks a ton.
petite
I have decided that if he says – see now I mov
Hi Dancing nancies,
what about his telling me “he has a personal defect”, when I said why did you not say a quick sorry. He seemed lost when I said that to him and then he said sorry. He knows he is deficient and he has some defect.
petite.
Libelle,
I have thought if he bothers me with the “I have moved out becoz of you’ crap, I will say – yes, even so, your moving out does not mean that it equals to a life long guarantee that I will have to be with you. For any respectful girl to go out with a guy, they guy should have moved out in the least – that is a pre-requisite, it does not equal to = you have to sucumb to my every whim and fancy.
what do you think.
I think it may not get to that stage, becoz if it does, it will make me get tears in my eyes and I will say – how desirable it is for you pursue a girl who is in tears when she sees you.
what do you think.
petite
Dear Petite, these are all articles that helped me recognize what was atually going on. For the “real works” i.e. clearing the inner mess of myself and going to my inner abyss I found the series of Kathleen Hawk (also left side scroll up) most helpful. It is really a journey to the very roots of early childhood and for me it was like reparenting the inner child, learning a more adult approach towards emotional problems I did not have a chance to learn in early childhood due to my upbringing (although I get my hair stand up at my back when I see the esoteric bookshelves in the bookstores…) It is an ongoing process, and I have had triggers over these holidays hence I am here again for a “refresher”. If I can be of any help, you are very welcome!
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/12/17/watch-out-for-this-defense-mechanism/
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/07/23/3-steps-to-leave-a-sociopath-and-start-healing/
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/07/14/8-steps-to-recovery-from-the-betrayal-of-a-sociopath/
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/08/26/a-list-for-leaving-the-sociopath-behind/
” I have thought if he bothers me with the “I have moved out becoz of you’ crap, I will say ”“ yes, even so, your moving out does not mean that it equals to a life long guarantee that I will have to be with you. For any respectful girl to go out with a guy, they guy should have moved out in the least ”“ that is a pre-requisite, it does not equal to = you have to sucumb to my every whim and fancy.
what do you think.”
You are defending yourself! At THAT stage of the relationshi* *=t This should be a lovestory film and not a court movie!
“I think it may not get to that stage, becoz if it does, it will make me get tears in my eyes and I will say ”“ how desirable it is for you pursue a girl who is in tears when she sees you.
what do you think.”
It shurely will not get to this stage, if you decide so! It is all in your hands!
If I may say: you are doing great! And that you had those thoughts tell me that your sharp mind has not been overturned completely by the hormonal rushs! Congratulations!
Thanks so much Libelle.
this will be of huge help. thanks a ton.
thanks for giving me a pat on the back, it makes me feel stronger.
you said –
You are defending yourself! At THAT stage of the relationshi* *=t This should be a lovestory film and not a court movie!
are you joking with me. I cannot understand. I am just getting all my AMMO ready.
the art of war – never let him know what is on your mind and then use the above words if need be.
thnaks Lib.
petitie