The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Petite,
That is EXACTLY what they do. What this also helps you to understand is how INCONSISTENT and UNPREDICTABLE they are, the jekyl and hyde stuff.
I want to put something out here to give you another reason to think about things
Being put on a pedestal by a Spath is NOT a good thing!! It’s IDEALIZATION!!! When he puts you down, or you don’t agree with him, it’s DEVALUATION….and that is EXACTLY another form of explaining the cylces of………..idealization and devaluation.
Of course he’s pursuing you, but are you at all engaging him in anyway? If you do, are you using your gray rock?
He’s not going to give up, Petite, until you give him a reason too. What you are seeing is VERY clear, a major RED FLAG, THEY HAVE NO BOUNDARIES, no RESPECT….he didn’t with his wife and he doesn’t now with you either.
I think it might help you to write out your thoughts of keep a list of the tactics he’s using and refer to them OFTEN…..
What you see is NOT what you get Petite!
Petite,
also one more thing to keep in mind. I can’t speak for you, but I can honestly say it for me. Before all of what POS was was integrated into my brain, it use to be EXCITING if he called me, “oh maybe he loves me! Maybe he wants me!” that was really what I thought until I saw CLEARLY what he was….now it scares the crap out of me to even THINK about him contacting me, AND it pisses me off!! He didn’t respect my boundaries in pursuit of me and he didn’t respect them when I said it was OVER! I had to tell him this again the other day too, when he attempted CONTACT with me, it was an emphatic LEAVE ME ALONE. DO NOT CONTACT ME ANYMORE. PERIOD!
Have not heard from him since. I think he’s got himself a new chica, too bad for her, but GOD’S GRACE for me! It is VERY painful right now, but a little less and different kind of pain than INVOLVEMENT!!
Think about that awhile, Chica
Dear Petite,
Oh, yes the up and down cycles of you are wonderful, you are less than perfect, you are perfect, well, not quite perfect, you are a bitch, But I love you any way, to I hate you, and so on, the UP and DOWN just like a merry-go-round. ONe minute you feel WONDERFUL because he is praising you and the next you are in the pits because he is criticizing you, so you try harder to please him, and so it goes, up and down —down and up—I am sure at some time he told his wife how “wonderful” she was and now she is not so wonderful and he wants a divorce and she isn’t so wonderful.
Like the little spoiled kid in school said , “Teacher, It all started when Johnny hit be BACK.”
B told you that he cheated first, “but she paid me back” (years later I think I remember) and cheated on HIM. Well, it seems to me he is saying like the spoiled little boy, “everything was okay until she cheated BACK on me.” “I went to counseling and I didn’t cheat on her (FOR A WHILE) and then all I did was to go see one of the old girl friends I had cheated with for an INNOCENT DINNER WITH HER AND HER HUSBAND and then I told my wife and she got mad.”
IMAGINE HER GETTING MAD! It was ONLY an innocent dinner. Yea, RIGHT! I believe that! NOT!!!!! If he had respected and cared about his wife’s FEELINGS he would never have done that.
He will care about your feelings just like he does her—not at all.
He is starting off with you the way almost all of them do, “Oh, my wife doesn’t understand me, I’m only staying around because of the kids but I really do WANT TO SLEEP WITH YOU, but it is okay because after she caught me cheating when I gave her a STD, then she (bitch that she is) cheated on ME. so it is okay for me to sleep with you, and I am not breaking any vows, because she “paid me back” by cheating on me.”
If that paragraph sounds right to you, then you should marry him and expect that he will treat you better than he has treated her….and it is NOT going to happen. He has “lead you off down the garden path” of fantasy, there is NO “happily ever after” with this man. If you call up his wife and talk to her, I bet she will have a different story to tell you than the one he has told. It will not paint him so nicely. And—I bet it will be closer to the truth than the one he told is. The sooner you tell this man “we have no future together personally” the better off you will be, and you will have learned a valuable lesson for yourself.
The way someone treats others that are close to them is HOW THEY WILL TREAT ME. If someone lies to others, they will lie to you, if they cheat others they will cheat you, if they steal from others, they will steal from you. There are times in some cultures that people think it is okay to cheat to and lie to someone outside their family or culture, but not to those close to them, but in most Cultures a person who will cheat ANY one, will cheat ALL eventually.
Flattery is the way they start, but before long they start with the breaking down and it becomes a cycle of build up and tear down until eventually they DE-value and discard you, just like he is doing to his wife no. He is DE-valuing her and discarding her to seek someone “better” he thinks.
Petite,
It seems to me that it SHOULD make you angry that he wants you b/c you are so submissive and controllable. That ought to make him repulsive to you.
The TRUTH is, you feed his ego and as long as he doesn’t have someone else, and you are his source, then he will lovebomb you. After he has “fed” to his satisfaction, he will pull back. But he will ALWAYS look for a new source, b/c he KNOWS once he becomes used to you, he will become bored and will need to hunt again.
YOU are a wonderful woman with much to give but he doesn’t care about who you are. He cares about FEEDING his ego with your SOUL. After he has drained your soul, he will find a NEW SOURCE.
BEST predictor of future behavior is past behavior. He USES women, NOT WOMAN, but WOMEN, lots of them. You are only ONE in a long line (six affairs he admits to; how many undiscovered?)
Don’t you get it? The “goodies” don’t exist, the promise he hooks you in with does not exist. They didn’t exist for his wife, not for his children, not for the other women. He is a scam, a flimflam man. I say fuck him until he give YOU an incurable venereal disease and ruins your reputation. Even then I bet you’ll be trying to rationalize YES BUT, it’s DIFFERENT with you.
Your last post didn’t say the words Yes but…. BUT that was your subject!
You don’t need more ammo. You need a moral compass!
Petite,
To underscore Katy’s post (great post, Katy!), “you don’t need more ammo.You need a moral compass.”
This will seem brutal. But I’ve been there Petite. He’s already robbed you of a couple of things here. Your SELF respect. Your BOUNDARIES, ….and now your MORALITY….
It’s not completely gone yet, Petite, but that’s what these people do….very slowly, with great calculation and energy….
Think about what he’s already taken….what he is attempting to take more of…and what he hasn’t yet if you don’t stop it now.
LL
A moral compass PROTECTS us as well as directs us where to go.
If Petite would just look at the MORAL facts, she could ask herself “do I want the kind of man who could do this to his wife and family?”
It amazes me that she is still wavering back to him, and I think that says a lot about her. She doesn’t want a good man, she wants a cheat who infects his trusting partner with disease. I say, since that’s the kind of person Petite is, she should go for it.
It’s not like others, where they were seduced and didn’t know better. Petite does know and with her lack of moral strength, she is too weak. She states clearly, if she doesn’t remember “the words” or “the ammo”, she’ll go off with him b/c she has NO MORAL FEELING TO STOP HERSELF….
thanks lesson, Katy and Oxy.
Katy, you are right as are the others. Katy – he has been in the marriage for 25 years, and you said he will always find a new source, so do you think he has been cheating on the wife for the past 25 years finding cources all the time, at the same time keeping it on with her to have the front of normalcy, family etc., it may be possible, it is just that he did not get caught.
Lesson –
robbed me of self -respect – you mean the palace example?
about boundaries – I have only gone emotional NC with him now on emails, he has got some hint so he is asking why no sweet talk.
when I will see him here I will tell him what Katy and Oxy have said – about wanting to step back and no more.
petitie
Hi Katy,
I am sorry. in my last posts, if you can see, I am trying very hard, I am just telling you all the truth, how the mind can intellectually know it all and yet be puzzled, I am sure some of you here have gone thru this stage.
I do not remember saying these words at all – go off with him b/c she has NO MORAL FEELING TO STOP HERSELF”.
I am sorry if it came across that way.
petitie
Petite,
I did not quote your words, I only observed your message: needing ammo.
thanks katy,
Yes, I need more strength, I have spent the holidays thinking and weeping as to why I beleived him and still am so puzzled, I pray to God, that with every coming day I get the courage to know myself and teach myself better and as all you and Oxy say – “do what is good for me”
petitie