The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
Petite,
I do remember how hypnotic my spath was, so I know what you mean. Even knowing that my spath was the devil, there were times when I felt like I could “save” him. It is normal to believe they are human because they look human. Your natural tendency is to believe that he made a “mistake” because he is only human and fallible. THAT’S A HOOK THEY USE! If I had not learned about socios, I would still believe that. WHERE in my imagination would I ever IMAGINE that a creature so evil could exist, and I had fallen in love with IT?
But at the same time Katy may have a point about your immorality. Let me explain. Did you notice that his wife cheated on him and he told you about it? It’s very likely that cheating is out of character for her and she did it out of revenge, but in doing so, she broke her own marriage vows and BECAME JUST LIKE HIM.
That is the one thing that the spaths want: for everyone to be evil. They want to slime everyone and make us all be like them and feel like them. They cause us to cheat, lie and throw tantrums, feel ashamed, cut off our family ties, be suspicious. They do it in so many ways. When his wife cheated on him, that was a victory for him.
You may not believe in God or the devil, but the stories about Lucifer are just that: stories. But they were written to describe a kind of person that has always existed -the evil ones.
Your participation in creating a triangle between you, him and his wife is also a victory for him. He has enticed you into being part of his evil plan. If you died tomorrow, he would not feel anything except happy that at least you served his purposes while you lived – NEXT!
I know these things because my spath also lured me into bizarre acts that I wouldn’t have done if he hadn’t begged me and used the pity ploy. Then he said to me, “it’s AMAZING how easy it is for me to find guys that are willing to rape a girl if they think she is drugged up.”
You asked
“you think that is when they think ”“ OK, she is no more my fantsay, let me pin her down by finding all her faults.”
No, that is not how they think. They only think, “I hate that bitch, I hate her because she is weak. She believes all my lies, that is evidence that she is weak. I will continue to put her on a pedestal until she is so easy to control that she bores me. then I’ll knock her down and see her lose her soul when I punish her, it would be really great if she commits suicide – AH THE DRAMA!”
When you resist and get angry, he LOVES that. That is when he starts to salivate, because he knows that he can push your buttons and you react. He figured out where your narcissistic injuries are and now he will use them all the more.
Thanks Skylar – triangle between me, him and the wife – for his pleasure. I helped him with his evil plan – what plan.
Cannot understand – please explain.
you said put you on a pedestal and then pull you down,
does the duration to do that very – as his marriage was on for 25 years, even she must have been put on a pedestal, he did not pull her down earlier, is it becoz she was of utility value to to him to keep the family front look good in society.
petitie
Petite,
Whatever reason or utility he stayed with his wife is NONE of your business.
You have enough to consider with your behavior. At the least, he enjoyed two women competing for his favors; his WIFE, who should NOT HAVE HAD TO ENDURE such humilation, but likely would do so FOR HER FAMILY. And you. You won the competition. He moved out.
If you were moral, you’d have the strength to do the right, the good, the correct thing. You think of what you want, and you keep circling back to how you can have it. You dismiss the immorality of your desire or the EVIL damage you helped do to his family.
Even now, you know the truth of what he is, and STILL you are without scruples. Thus I think you are perfect woman for him. Go do what you want. Wanting is your motivation, morality is not normal for you.
Petite, his plan was for his wife to cheat on HIM.
or else kill herself or try to kill him, or any other reaction which would not be in her character if he didn’t drive her to it.
What you are not understanding is that they don’t have the same values as we do.
Example, my spath conned me out of thousands of dollars, but one time he demanded $1500 and I only gave him $1400 and HE THROUGH THE MONEY AWAY, IN THE GARBAGE. (at least that is what he told me) He said he was going to teach me to do exactly as he said and if I gave him one penny less than the $1500, he would throw it away again. So I have him another $1500. Do you know the saying, “he will cut off his own nose just to spite his own face”? You cannot anticipate what they willl do because we don’t think like they do.
Your spath wanted his wife to suffer psychologically so that she would do something that is against her own moral compass, like cheating, or murder or suicide. Even just knowing that she had thoughts like that makes him happy.
It’s like Katy’s husband kept trying to get her to do things that were against her moral compass and she kept refusing, so in the end, he just tried to make her feel like she was a loser for HAVING a moral compass. He did this by winning through cheating.
Even if you never see him again, he will use you against her by telling her that he cheated with you and how great you were.
What I’m trying to say (not doing very well) is that, he doesn’t value the same things you do: love, companionship, money, status, security. He only values other peoples’ suffering and he knows that when we choose to abandon our morality, we are choosing a path that leads to disconnection from our humanity and ultimately to suffering. He wants you and his wife to become like him and feel what he feels, hate.
My “marriage” was also 25 years. I was put on the pedastal and knocked down so many times. The pedestal appeared every time he said he loved me and I was pushed off everytime he treated me like dirt.
The pedestal is in our own minds, it isn’t usually for show to others.
I never knew my spath cheated on me until months after I left him and his friends told me. But by then I just assumed it, I just hadn’t realized he did it from the very beginning and with 12 year old girls. So that is not how he knocked me off the pedestal. Mine did it by devaluing me and withholding love and affection.
Petite,
I don’t know what else I can say that would convince you.
I have not one more word or sentence except this:
I realize you can’t be me right now, but I can tell you, you DO NOT want to be!! YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE WHERE I AM PETITE!!!
YOU CAN DENY ALL YOU WANT!! YOU REALLY CAN!! HE HAS ALREADY TWISTED YOUR MIND!!
I have done all that I can to tell you that you do NOT want to be in the place I am right now.
YOU DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE, I”M BEGGING YOU RIGHT NOW!!! DO NOT GIVE IN AT ALL!! PROTECT YOURSELF!!! With all I know now, with all I have found out, more and more lies…….more and more pain…
Petite, DON”T do it!!!
YOu have a GIFT that I didn’t have!!!! SAVE YOURSELF NOW!! Surround yourself with others here. TRUST ME, it will NOT get better and if he does to you what Spath has done to me……..
You will LIVE this pain!!
I don’t know that I can, Petite. That’s how horrific and awful it really is.
You have a chance. You’re NOT too far in to not make things better for yourself.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, DO NOT DO IT!!!
YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW!! YOU DO NOT!!!
Katy.
I love your posts. I’ve learned a lot from them. But I disagree with you on this.
For as much as a victim as you were to your spath, so is she.
The difference between you and your spath and Petite and hers is that she has a chance right now to change it. You’re not going to appeal to any morality because Spaths DON”T GIVE A SHIT about it!! YOU KNOW IT! You are close to blaming her for what he’s doing
STOP IT!
I respect you and I understand your pain, but like any of us here, a spath is a spath is a spath. Mine was just that good too. I believed. I just told her what the consequences are if she does.
You cannot inject morality into an immoral individual and his agenda once he has injected you with this POISON…this is a PERFECT example of what a Spath can do to SO many lives………….whether it’s a mistress, A WIFE or a child or a friend….I’ve been on both sides of the fence, Katy…NEITHER is better than the other, and the consequences, BOTTOM LINE are the same……..you got screwed over by a Spath.
The reasons are apart of the healing process.
I DO NOT think that for one MINUTE Petite is “immoral” AT ALL.
The lies are many. Appealing to a fantasy that doesn’t exist. My ex Spath did it for YEARS AND YEARS and guess what? ONce the divorce is final, ONTO FRESH MEAT, THEY DON”T CARE WHO IT IS!!! Whether it’s wife or mistress or girlfriend or what the FUCK, THEY DON”T CARE! Fat, thin, rich poor……it doesn’t MATTER!!
This isn’t about HER morality, Katy.
This is about Spath and his LIES!! And judging her does NOT make it better, it intensifies it!!
Thikn about it
Oh and Katy?
Shaming her for believing his lies and wanting to indulge the fantasy that HE creates in HER mind, further forgives HIM for his sin …he’s the hero, SHE”S the slut. Don’t forget for ONE MINUTE that the samelies you believed as your Spath’s wife she is not believing as his mistress or anyone else involved with him. What’s sad here is that they are JUST THAT GOOD!
He already is shaming her.
I don’t think we need to add to it.
Katy,
Yea, it is HER business and if only for one reason. He set it up to make it so.
HE set it up, katy. Just like he did it TO YOU.
OK people!!! What is it that WE as victims have thought we could do to an spath?
1. Save them from themselves!
2. Change their way of thinking!
What have multiple people been doing here to Petite??
1. Trying to save her from herself!
2. Change her way of thinking!
Does anybody else get the connection? Cut the cord and let her go and learn whatever lesson she will or will not learn!
Hi Katy, lesson and skylar,
thanks for the posts. felt very unsettled at work so came home quickly in the lunch break now as my hospital computer has some problem.
Katy – I have been immoral, but not evil.
He convinced me he was one foot out of the marriage, at that time I did not know of his cheating episodes. I told him at no cost I would want misery for his wife and kids. he said his marriage is over, I did not break it and I know I did not break it. He was going to move out anyway. He did not move out for me, it was his plan to move out in end 2010. it was when he started pushing the buttons on me before he moved out, I said I cannot go ahead until he has walked his talk. Thats all.
Lesson-
he has not only twisted my brain, he has already driven me crazy. now I unfold my perceptions here and see the light bulbs.
I know Lesson you have said it all to me, I will heed your advice. please please bear with me. I am not expecting magical answers from any of you, to beleive that my fantasy can be real, (though it appears that I may be doing exactly that).
Beleive me, I am struggling, weeping for days, fearful and all the mess that you can imagine.
I will stand up for myself, I will listen to my moral compass, I will friends, I will.
petitie