The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
HI SIC,
you hit on the nail.
I have also been thinking, all these posts, all this advice, but what I need to do is “Save me from myself.”
why is that so difficult for me. why do I keep posting as if it looks like I am trying to get back my fantasy.
why can I not change my thinking. It has changed, but not to the extent of you strong survivors, it takes time and inner strangth, I am working on it.
please do not cut the cord with me as I do value your advice. I may sound like a stubborn lunatic, I am not,
I am just like all of you, just at a very painful troubled stage in my life.
petitie
Oh Katy,
I forgot, it was never about winning, not then, not now and never.
I was not in a competiton. I was in my own life and he met me and then he told me his story. yes, I beleived the lies and got sucked in and did “immoral” things. I made a mistake.
petite
Petitie,
I haven’t kept up with your thread. Don’t you have anybody (counseling wise) locally you can go see and talk to?
As far as your immoral mistakes…
don’t live in guilt today or tomorrow for a mistake you made yesterday! We all get a “get out of jail ” free card! As long as you do the right thing for yourself. I have wacthed on and off many people trying to convince you to not committ a “slow” suicide of your life with this. STOP IT!!! BIG BOINK!!!! I stole the frying pan from Ox while she wasn’t looking! I’m returning it!
Seriously, does anyone else see the similarities to dealing with an spath and Petite? That numbered list could keep going a few more I think.
Sorry P, I know you are a good friend of Oxy’s and no harm meant…. just trying to look at the situation from outside the fire! The next number would be #3.
Spath
3. Please help me I need help, I need you.
Petite
3. Please don’t cut the cord! I am like you I need your help.
Soimnotthecrazee1!
thanks SIC.
sorry, no counselling here, small place, I am in the medical field, and everyone knows everyone. difficult.
I do not think think I am a sociopath – I do have a conscience, empathy and guilt. Oxy will be able to tell you better.
does asking the friends here to help me and not cut the cord make a sociopath.
petitie
Petite,
Truly this makes me so sad…………for so many reasons and perhaps this site is not so healing for me right now…those of us who are mistresses of Spaths……well, we kinda don’t deserve much do we?
Not only do I have to live with what Spath did to me, I also have to live with what I did in the pain caused to others too. And In believing his lies, just like his wife, but for other reasons, I got the same as she did……….in the end,it’s all the same, but the shame factor is often brought upon the mistress or girlfriend alot more because she doesn’t have a “moral” compass.
Nothing could be further from the truth. To put it simply, we believed in a man we thought we loved, who appealed to ourselves, mirrored perfectly.
I have a shame sticker attached to my ass now, wherever I go now, on top of the emotional devastation he caused me through his lies and that of my children and he’s onto greener pastures already, in a week.
It’s not your fault, Petite. He is what he is. The blessing you have now, is not about morality or immorality, it’s about a spath, the lies he’s feeding you to twist whatever morality is there into a perversion of HIS own making…and I can honestly tell you, that it’s a web that you will have MOST difficulty struggling out of……….for two reasons. You were had or about to be by a spath. And the societal influences and stigmas of the other woman that are SOMETIMES totally false. SHe’s not the slut when it comes to spath, HE”S the whore and he sets it up so we have to have these conversations and it’s wrong.
I don’t know how to heal now here. I feel discouraged and depressed while trying to find answers as to why I participated and why this happened, why I believed, just as everyone else does here, without the added burden of being “the other woman”.
It is excrutiating, Petite. I don’t truly know if I can recover rightnow.
But if there is anything I can do to prevent another innocent human being falling to the machinations of a spath, I will do it.
Please don’t let yourself get to where I am, Petite.
I don’t kinow that I can recover anymore.
But you CAN….and you have all the information and wisdom to make it happen.
Please don’t focus on whether anyone thinks you are moral or immoral right now. Let’s get you past the Spaths bullshit…then we will worry about all of the rest, because the truth is, we are ALL victims of his bullshit. No matter what role we played in his life.
You are no exception.
You have no judgments from me. Your morality right now is the least of my concerns. Your emotional safety from what he can do to you, means more to me.
LL
S1
Good point. But truthfully? I’d never forgive myself if I didn’t try to assist her, having been through it. It is true she has choices and perhaps will have to indulge in order to learn the lesson, but I wish someone had known as much as we do about it, had shared it with me to the extent that it is here, because in the future if she does indulge herself, she will REMEMBER all of this…and may bail sooner than the rest of us did. In whatever way she is helped, even if she goes on to believe spath lies, I can live with the reality that we shared all we could….and then it’s up to her.
LL
thanks lesson for your words of support.
actually I think you are in quite a good position on the way to healing, becoz he is totally out of your life and you know why you are healing – becoz only if you are healing can you be so courageous and strong to give me the much needed advice.
I admire you. yes, we never know in life, when one can go from being a wife to being OW.
let us not focus on that now and let us encourage each other to get past this stage. If you, Libelle or Skylar want my email – Oxy can give it to you.
petite
No! Since you can’t get help near you.
It just seems …like you said… you keep fighting for your fantasy and don’t want to listen to anybody and all you do is question them.
I didn’t say you are an spath…. dealing you with you so far on 3 points has been similar to one. There are many points to go. I think alot of us are looking at people to see the red flags and traits of an spath since we have been burned. I just happened to observe that. That’s a good thing for me that you set my radar off!!! That means I am learning!
Isn’t there another country you could look into singles there as well? Maybe even counseling in that country? Maybe closer to you or closer to your culture type? Hell…come to the US and get counseling!!! LF is just as good ,though you are posing a stubborn front and frustrating some that wish they had the warning you are being given, so they would not have had the pain they live in today. I call it awareness!!!! Our culture has very little awareness of this illness. There are so many that wish they would have had the benefit. As soon as I feel strong enough and have enough knowledge. I am creating an awareness program here locally. This is something we (surviviors) become passionate about, just like your medical practice… prevent illness or death makes you happy. Preventing DV from a hidden germ in our society called an spath will make me happy!!
Soimnotthecrazee1!
S1.
Not agreed about her being a Spath.
Agreed highly on all the rest!
Blessings chica
I’m so triggered, so depressed tonight. I have to step away from all of this for a day or two.
I’m struggling myself right now. I think this site is great, but right now, I’m so full of SPath, school has started and I need to make some major decisions about my life. He is around me everywhere. I’m traumatized when I see him, as I did today.
I”m absolutely truamatized. And I haven’t a clue as to how to get past it. Perhaps it’s because there is just TOO much information and infiltration of my Spath or about my Spath.
I think I’ve had my fill for now.
Nite lovelies 🙂