The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
ye gads!!! I think that might have been my biggest yet…
dear Aussiegirl,
such good advice. you write so well.
Oh yes, I have the certificate of authentication from Oxy in my file of credentials. Had to work hard to get a pass there !!(smile)
I will be in Sydney for 5 days.
if you don’t mind, can we exchange emails, as I cannot write more of my Aussie trip here.
petite
Good morning Everyone (Or evening, or, well, you know)…I just wanted to say thank you for your posts this morning as I opened this. It helps sooooo much. Thank you for being around last night. I was in a tremendous amount of pain and crying most of last night too.
And I stayed no contact, thanks to this site.
This morning, there are a few enlightenments for me, I guess an “absorption” of reality.
He will not be apart of my life. Ever again. Yes, I’m grieving. But I also see something else…..he KNOWS the pain he caused me. Before NC I told him he had caused me so much pain. Of course it was all my fault….”If you hadn’t beat the shit out of me…so many lost opportunities”….it cuts like a knife. I’m beginning to understand how much I truly gave, that it wasn’t me with the issues, it was he. And even though he knew and knows my pain, he will never EVER admit he caused it, lied or anything else. The lack of closure is excrutiating for me. BUT, what NORMAL human being would cause that kind of pain and be so incredibly uncaring? Well a sociopath of course. It doesn’t matter what I look like, or would have. In a way, that brings me peace…it allows me now to search myself….to say “LL, you’re gonna be okay”…to find the good things of me,because good or bad, they never meant a thing to him. I was simply an object, as was his first two wives as is his new sexual conquest. It doesn’t matter. His chameleon like state means that he isn’t even the man anymore that he was for me. But now for someone else. There are many lies that are coming to the surface now, that hurt me like nothing else. Sooooooo many lies…and I believed it all, particularly in the beginning. I see my vulnerabilities then. I wanted him and he created the scenario that that was possible and I fed him well. I feel angry about that, because I lost ten years of my life as a single woman, sucking up to this man. I’m still learning how to forgive myself.
All of this has taken a great toll on me physically. I have an STD that needs to be taken care of (Thanks to POS), and other health issues that have arisen due to the stress of ten years of spath. I still struggle with anxiety and deep emotional pain. But instead of holding back the tears, I let them flow. It is thoroughly exhausting and with the pressures of school now, even more so. I wish I could walk this earth without feeling so much shame. I’ve barely touched the surface in not just the fallout of this relationship for myself, but the pain caused to others as a result of it.
One of the things that has become very clear to me, is that I still can love. I FEEL. And I can thank God that I do. The consequences for POS may not come till after death. I have to let that go too, because i’m angry and I WANT him to pay for ALL the hurt and pain he’s caused. But perhaps his constant inner rage and negativity is enough to do him in here.
I have to let him go. In my heart and in my mind. I’m so grateful for this site. It’s another of God’s graces extended to me in a time of grief and pain where people truly get what this experience is like.
I just want to say thank you for extending yourselves to me during this time.
Petite, your post was beautiful. As were all the rest.
There is a measure of comfort in comforting others as well as receiving. Something our Spaths were incapable of.
LL
LL,
You echo what I learned. At the bottom of it, there is letting go.
Exactly that.
Not hanging on a teensy bit in spirit or in memory. Just letting go.
Harder than it is to come up with the concept. Not sure why, but came to the conclusion that that really is all there is to do.
But we find, I believe down the road,that when we do, what love is, is much better than we thought in the context of a relationship with the disordered….
Well. Some really good stuff here.
My thoughts: Spaths are greedy and the rules don’t apply to them…if they want something they are automatically entitled. So it stands to reason that a spath will cheat. They will suck the life out of as many targets as possible. This is supply and what they feed on…your love. You emotions your fear your pain your frustration, your anger….makes them powerful and strokes their egos…So the more women (or men, as the case may be) they have pining over them the more alive they feel.
Any time you become involved with a married person you are singning up for an imbalance of the good stuff….The married person gets two people to love (or more) and you get one-half, (or less)…not to mention you get a liar, a coward and a cheat. Not my cup of tea.
I have been cheated on, in the past and it just about killed me. While he was out stroking his ego, mine was being demolished.
About the question of the other woman: I’m sure there are many possible reasons why someone would choose to enter into one of these relationships…it could be ego and envy, it could be abandonment issues, (as I think Skylar mentioned, the compussion to repeat an old trauma in an effort to conquor it and make it come out right.) It could be one’s own fear of intimacy, because you don’t have to experience any REAL intimacy with someone who is unavailable. It could be a genuine effort to meet your needs, with a sincere belief that it’s okay, because, after all his wife is a bitch…(a very niave stand, albiet) . Or it could be the work of a spath.
It is, no matter how you slice it, unwise, and I think, in most cases, va very self-centered thing to do. But, that’s the thing. There is no human being alive who hasn’t at some point, made a bad choice, or acted selfishly. And we learn from every mistake we make. We become stronger, wiser, more centered persons. When we know better, we do better.
And Lesson Learned, I so get where you are at. I have been there in the past, over and over again. Feeling so hurt and lost, and wanting him back, and yet KNOWING (and denying) that he’s destroying me:feeling poweless against my addiction to him, and feeling insane. IT IS AN ADDICTION. Treat it accordingly. COLD TURKEY. NC NC NC. Remeber, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expection different results. If you contact him, you start the cycle all over again, and you will come right back to again.this spot again and again and again. Why not save yourself another year or two of a long drwan out greulling heartache. Knuckle under and deal with it now, I promise it gets better…and you’ll get better. You’ll get your wicked sense of humor back…most of us thought we’d never laugh again…but you should see the way we carry on some times. Accept where you are and hang in. One day at a time. You are doing the right thing by sharing openly, your feelings and thoughts. Keep reading and sharing You’ll get through this. And someone will always be here to help.
Thanks Kim, Silver…
Kim you make some great points about the other woman stuff. I’m sorry your spath hurt you in that way. My marriage was to a P and he was an incessant cheat, liar,…..and violent.
This POS looked like a Knight In Shining Armor comparatively. What I didn’t see, was one, the disorder, I just saw the abuse from HP1. Well that was more OVERT, than COVERT….the verbalize and emotional abuse went together, but never in my life, have I witnessed the illness that this man is. Extremely stealth, sneaky, passive aggressive, lying….all of it. He did abuse physically, but not like first HP. and not to the extent, but the mindfucking was absolutely unreal. I bought into every line of BS about what a horrible bitch his wife was. Funny, he’s still telling other women the same thing about his wife….without of course, interjecting anything about me, his NINE YEAR AFFAIR…that just would be too much of a major red flag and he knows it. So this new one, without one doubt, is experiencing a fraud. I pray for her.
Please understand everyone, I AM no contact. I’m steadfast in that. I came here last night, WANTING to contact SO BAD…I had read somewhere here that if you feel like you’re going to contact, COME HERE FIRST NOT AFTER THE FACT….and that’s just what I did. I’m glad I did too.
Kim, I truly do understand the impact I have had in my participation with POS on his wife and children. I can’t really address the OW issue right now on its face, or others being upset by it. I don’t mean that in a coldhearted way….I need to deal first with the lies, the pain he caused me…I need to grieve and not add to what is already raw within. One layer at a time. I know I will see differing opinions from both sides of the fence on this issue, but one of the things that I’m seeing here, is that it doesn’t matter to a Spath whether you’re married, single, gay straight. If you have something he wants………it just doesn’t matter…..he will target to get it. He’ll set up scenarios.
I hope I’ve heard the last of this man. But if new supply catches on or he gets bored, he may well try to contact me again. I thought about that a lot last night. I’m well protected, but I have decided to move to another part of our city. My kids can go to the same schools. Please, everyone, pray that God will open a door for us on this. It’s time for me to get out of here. IT also removes me from his site from the HWY and further away from his place of employment, into a nice quiet neighborhood where I know he doesn’t troll or go near.
Thank you.
It is my experience that he will try to contact you. If he thinks he’s lost his supply(you) he will redouble his efforts to get you back, locked into the drama he creates for you…Just having you pining away is gratifying to him. Getting any kind of reaction out of you is supply to him. It makes him feel powerful and tells him he still has you. And, if you are like I was, there is a part of you that secretly hopes he will, (that’s the addicted part that is unhealthy) even though there is the other healthy part of you that is all knowing and self protecting that knows you don’t want him to.
For me, it was like a drug addict trying to stay clean, and still answering the phone when the drug man called. Lying to myself, saying, see, the drug man still loves me, if he didn’t he wouldn’t call….and then the denial and the insanity…”this time it will be different”. Of course it isn’t…and once again I’m off down the prim-rose path.
I’m just warning you to stay vigilent and focus on your recovery, because I wouldn’t doubt it one bit, if he didn’t try to contact you.
Dear Lesson Learned,
You did a great job in coming here last night! Sorry I ended up “deserting” you and went to bed….I’m still exhausted from my three days of hard labor, and just getting my “pegs” back under me.
You had some great advice and support from some of the other folks here though, and that is what is so great about this site is there are usually 2-3 or more of us here at any given time since we come from different time zones all over the world. Petite is just going to work in the mornings as I am getting ready for bed or at least relaxing before bed.
Focus on your school work, and that will help distract you a bit from the pain. The pain I think comes in waves and up and down and that is normal for the GRIEF PROCESS…Google “elizabeth Kubler-Ross” who wrote a great deal about the grief process itself, and I think reading about the grief process will give you some ideas about which stage you are in at any given moment, and it can change in an eye blink, and it WILL change back and forth, and that iNORMAL. You will even get to a place it seems resolved and the BINGO, you are back at stage 1 for a little while, but slowly and steadily you get to the acceptance of what IS and STAY there. One day you will just sort of “wake up” and realize “GOSH, I AM HAPPY!!!!!” and it is like “happy” SNEAKED UP ON YOU WHILE YOU WEREN’T LOOKING.
Sometimes you get to acceptance with ONE LOSS, and then you start to experience ANOTHER LOSS or another realization that there is a previous psychopathic encounter/loss that you never fully resolved, but NOW YOU CAN resolve that one. So in a way it is like EATING AN ELEPHANT, you just have to take it ONE SMALL BITE AT A TIME….but eventually you get it eaten.
I often say this healing starts out about them and ends up about us. Learning about ourselves and how to take care of ourselves. It is A JOURNEY, not a destination. So the journey we are experiencing IS LIFE. The ups and downs, the good and the bad. The choices we make, what we learn from the results of those choices so that we make better choices the next time around. Safer choices. But life isn’t “100% safe” (though we might like to believe it is) and it isn’t on the other hand “100% bad” either, though at times it FEELS like it is.
BTW, Kimmie! Been missing you! ((((hugs))))
Hi, Oxy. I didn’t work yesterday because my daughter took the day off as she, as well as her 4 kids and husband were all sick with this stomache virus that is going around, here. But I am back today, with all 4 kids. The baby (2) is in rare form. 2 hour long temper tantrums with only small breaks, periodically. Very fussy, but no vomitting yet today and no fever. The three year old is still vomitting and the older two complain they are hungry, but won’t eat much.
I still feel like a BB in a boxcar. I’m just not used to living alone. I guess it will take awhile. But, on the up_side, I get out more now, than I have in three years. I get more excercise, and sleep well.
I’ve just been outr in the country so long, without my own transportation, that I’ve become really isolated, and my only contacts were family members or LF. So have to re-learn the art of making friends, and I’m not sure where to start.
I have to say, though, that the location is great.
Enjoying the farmers market, and the Library. Rode my bike to the big grocery store, yesterday…it’s quite a treck, but good excercise.
Hope you are doing well. How is your diet coming along? How many pounds lost?
Ox,. thanks. Don’t worry about it lol! I heard about your big butchering experience and I just don’t know how you DO IT?? I’m glad you posted though last night. It helped alot. I do know about the stages of grief. I love Kubler-Ross and her work. Was invaluable in understanding the process for patients in hospice. I know I will be back and forth. Up and down. That part of it is a bit frustrating.
Kim- he has supply right now. I’m not overly concerned that he’ll attempt contact RIGHT NOW, but it doesn’t mean that he won’t try later. I hate to say it, but perhaps I’m hoping in some small way, that she’s ENOUGH supply for awhile so that I can keep on with the healing process without being bothered.
Thanks everyone. I’ll get there.