The connection between love and politics—that was the topic of commentary in yesterday’s paper written by Gregory Rodriguez, a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. The article, Love and politics in a cynical age, got me thinking about the consistency of behavior.
Rodriguez summarized how Americans have come to view the private lives and public lives of the people we elect to represent us. He wrote:
The truth is that we don’t generally associate politics or politicians with happy marriages and deep romance, let alone fidelity. The constant revelation of scandals and peccadilloes in the halls of power have trained us to expect the worst of those—particularly the men—we elect to shepherd and protect the interests of society. Somewhere along the line, Americans have even bought into the notion that a politician’s private life, in particular his love life, has little or nothing to do with his efforts on behalf of the public good.
In other words, people seem to think that just because an elected official cheats on his spouse, it doesn’t mean we can’t trust him with our tax dollars.
Not everyone holds this view. Ross Perot, who ran for president in 1992, famously said that at his company, EDS, lying, cheating, stealing and adultery were all grounds for dismissal. If he were elected, he said, the same standard would apply. Perot said:
“If a man’s own wife cannot trust him, how can the American people?”
This, I think, is a legitimate question.
Different behavior
People often ask me if a sociopath will be “different” with a particular person. For example, can a sociopathic man who hates and harasses his ex-wife love his children? Can a sociopathic woman who takes advantage of her family be true to her new boyfriend?
The short answer is no. Exploitative people exploit anyone who has something that they want.
The long answer is that exploitative people may seem to authentically care for particular individuals, but it’s probably just part of an overall scheme of manipulation. The sociopath is just softening up the target, preparing for the right time to strike.
Here is one of the most dangerous thoughts we can ever have: “Well, yes, he (or she) treated that person badly, but he’ll never do that to me!”
Remember: The best indication of future behavior is past behavior. If you know that a person has behaved in a deceitful or exploitative way towards someone else, sooner or later, the person will behave that way towards you.
Compartmentalize
So why do we compartmentalize? Why do people seem to believe that how our elected officials conduct their private lives has nothing to do with how they conduct their public lives? Why is it that when we hear of a powerful person who has a solid marriage, we are surprised?
Maybe we’re beaten down. Maybe we’re totally disillusioned. After all, stories of deceit, betrayal and treachery have been around as long as humans have told stories. Maybe we hear of so many scandals—from cheating spouses to tax dollars wasted—that we simply expect the worst of people.
Perhaps public life has simply gotten too easy in America. It’s not like the Revolutionary War, when men risked their lives and fortunes to stand up to the British. No, politics today is all talk and no consequences. That makes it an excellent career choice for sociopaths—all they have to do is be charming, charismatic and deceitful.
Sociopaths, after all, want power, control and sex. By getting elected, they have access to everything they want.
Liu Xiaobo
That’s why it’s so refreshing to hear about people, in this day and age, fighting the good fight from a foundation of love.
In the article that I quoted in the beginning of this post, the author, Gregory Rodriguez, also wrote about Liu Xiaobo. Liu is the Chinese dissident who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. He, of course, was viewed as a subversive criminal by the Chinese government, and was not allowed to go to Norway and accept the prize. Rodriguez explained how his absence was handled in Oslo:
Actress Liv Ullmann read aloud the statement Liu released last December as he was awaiting trial for “inciting subversion of state power.” At the top, he sermonized against hatred (“enmity can poison a nation’s spirit”), but his ending was an exquisite love letter to his wife, Liu Xia.
“I am sentenced to a visible prison,” he wrote, “while you are waiting in an invisible one. Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning. But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes.”
Rodriguez viewed Liu’s words to his wife as a sign of passion and commitment, and the bad behavior in the private lives of elected officials as the opposite. The point, Rodriguez wrote, is that love begins at home.
How people conduct their private lives is absolutely relevant to whether or not they should be elected. People who cannot be trusted by their most intimate loved ones cannot be trusted by anyone. And people who feel genuine love and compassion for their families can extend their love and compassion for the greater good.
thanks aussieg,
so clever, you diagnosed the bug and became your own doctor. I am taking baby steps and gainingconfidence in myself.
I must say I felt so good when I cancelled the USA meeting in April and told him about it.
that is it – I have no more meetings / conferences planned with him for this year. Even if I do go later in the year (not the April one for sure), I will be a “free bird”.
petite
Petite,
I completely understand that you are trying to close this chapter in your life, politely. This would work if he ws normal, but I think you need to have PLAN B ready.
No joke, petite. Some of these guys become violent when they see you slipping away from their control. The reason they do this is because they want your emotion. He will rage to try to get your reaction. DON’T GIVE HIM ANY EMOTION.
That is why gray rock works. Whatever you do, make sure that you are a boring person while he is there.
Dear Lesson learned,
I am glad that you realized that trying to advise Petite was triggering you….and that each of us must “rescue” ourselves. It used to be triggering to me when Hopeforjoy would post and I would tell her to kick the creep out and she would come up with some reason or excuse she couldn’t do that yet…I realized it WAS TRIGGERING for me. I was giving her GREAT ADVICE but she wasn’t acting on it and I was becoming frustrated.
WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM HERE? It was ME, not her. I finally had to STEP BACK and FOCUS. I did the very thing that you did, I told her that it was triggering me and that SHE had to make the DECISIONS for herself when to act and how to act….and each of us does have to rescue ourselves when we are ready to be rescued.
Eventually, Hope4joy did make the decision to file for divorce. But even if she hadn’t made that decision ever, it is not my responsibility….it is hers. If she is interested in reading what I write fine, if not fine, but if I give advice, even “good advice,” that does not give me the “right” to be upset if someone else doesn’t take it. No one died and made me queen or boss. Giving someone advice and then getting upset when they don’t take it is not healthy for either the giver or the receiver.
Sure, I would have liked to have seen Hopeforjoy toss her abusive husband out on his abusive ear months ago, but it is HER LIFE, her decision, and her relationship. SHE has to be ready to do what she thinks is best for her. I can’t “save” her or anyone else.
Just like I was upset that my son C didn’t make better financial decisions. I had taught him better. He KNEW better, but he made what I thought were POOR decisions. I felt frustration because HE CHOSE to make poor decisions when I had taught him better. I realize it was NOT my place to be angry, upset or frustrated because someone else did something I thought was poor choice, since it did not effect me.
If you choose to sit and hit yourself in the thumb with a hammer and I tell you “your thumb will stop hurting if you quit hitting it” and you continue to do it, what’s it to me? If you are hitting MY thumb with the hammer it is a different matter, but if you are only hurting yourself what right do I have to get angry with you?
If you are hitting your child—again, a different matter–but if you are ONLY hurting yourself with your decision, I can’t do a darned thing about it.
Even sometimes when it is MY OPINION that someone’s choices adversely impact their children or others, but the behavior is not illegal or overt abuse, and there’s nothing I can do to change their behavior legally, All I can do is to DIS-ENGAGE from them and accept that there is nothing I can do.
I have to accept that It is not my responsibility to control or run the universe. LOL
Learned…I totally understand where you are at right now! I feel your anxiety and pain. I was there THREE times! It was easier to go back to him at one point..the pain of being with him was less than not having him in my life.
Now that has changed. The pain of being with him, not feeling that he truly cared, catching him in more lies…just wasn’t worth it. Now, I have no pain being without him…because I am SO happy that he is out of my life for good. It took me to realize that he was a phony liar who didn’t care about me ..to come to this. THe other times I went NC…I still felt like he cared…even though he was disordered..I still felt sorry for him because I thought he cared and couldn’t help it. Imagine that? This time I am wiser. He proved he only cares about himself.
Aussie…I tried the “friend” thing..thinking that he would use this time to prove to me that he is a true friend. HA! lol
He only proved to me that he is too stupid to even throw the right crumbs to keep me as supply.
I found him on dating sites again…I caught him in some lies..
and I decided that he isn’t worth it for me to even be in his life! He doesn’t deserve me in his life at all! If he was a true friend, hell, I’d be with him in a relationship!!! So, I am so glad that I finally made the choice to get rid of him….I feel so much better!
It takes time to reach the point I am at…and I can share some of the strategies I used to overcome the obsessive thoughts and awful feelings I felt going NC. I texted him back the last two times…just telling myself that I will just get some things out of my system…let him know how I feel.
Both times..I just got sucked right back into the relationship.
This time, he could knock on my door with the winning megamillion ticket and a diamond ring and tickets to Hawaii …and I would slam the door on his face.
No amount of money or material thing is enough for me to sell my soul EVER again!
Petite – I have the answer, don’t know why it took me so long to come up with it………….let him come to your house and then let him find you in bed with another man(or better still-another woman)!!! Game over.
Blogger,
I knew when I posted that there would be little or no agreement with me. It is very hard to see what this woman is doing unless you’ve seen it before. You have to dissect each little nuance.
First clue: “mommy, mommy, mommy” as he walks toward her. He is 50 years old and is reduced to the verbiage of a toddler when he sees her. There is some history there…. In another interview, he states that he has alway had this golden voice but when he used to “play it” as a child, she would tell him to STOP IT. She never once complements him on it. Further, she never says she has faith in his future – despite evidence to the contrary: he has been sober for 2 years WHILE LIVING ON THE STREET. All her words are used to sow seeds of doubt in him. Each time she is asked a question, and I expect her to say how much she loves him, she never does. When I expect her to answer with gratitude, she answers with doubt. When asked about his future she, she only talks about the past. It is these little clues that tell me she is an envious person who hides it very well. She never once expresses gratitude to or acknowledges the community of people that came together to make the miracle happen. When he called her and wanted her to meet him in a hotel, she refused. All that negativity is a red flag for envy.
The female narcissist is insidious. And the little old lady schtic, works gang busters.
I know that I have not convinced you or anyone else here today, but one day, you will see what I’m talking about. You’ll run into one and the mask will drop and then you will have an aha! moment and you will remember.
My exP was more like a female narcissist in this way. Planting covert seeds in peoples’s brains was his specialty. He even told his friend that, “I like to plant seeds in their brains”
Ox,
Thanks for sharing that. Another thought occurred to me, just wondering what you might think about it.
Ex POS was drama King royale. CONSTANT drama, of course, most of it HE created with his behavior. I was the QUEEN of fix it, try to control it. In having dealt with Petite and her stuff here, I’m seeing something else. I myself, may have an addiction to drama as a result of this relationshit. I’m not as much drama as I use to be, because being with POS was in itself DRAMA, but I am too easily drawn into situations where there is drama and then trying to fix it. What happens at that point is I start getting ANGRY because the person is NOT taking my advice or pearls of wisdom (whatever), that I”m doling out in spades.
But that’s not for me anymore. I can’t do the drama any longer. I’m exhausted from years of it.. While trying to take care of the world, it was a perfect distraction from myself……all of my fears…it was self sabotage….
So as I read over the posts from last night, I started to see a pattern that I’d not seen clearly before, at that point, it was time to alter the course. I will remain very supportive of petite and I DO care for her and about her situation, but right now, I need the time for healing. I”m barely able to take care of myself right now, and my family, without adding onto taking care of others too.
It’s time for me to learn self care, Ox, which right now feels a lot like the basics of starting a fire with rocks and sticks, ya know?
There is an overwhelming amount of things in my life I have neglected because of this relationshit. How do you explain that to others who may wonder why? I’m not prepared to offer an explanation. Right now, just having a nice roast for dinner, fresh out of the crock pot feels comforting. Does this make sense?
I’d appreciate some feedback here, because i’m noticing I’m way way too hard on myself, beating the shit out of myself as POS did….I was trained well. I need to stop doing that. And that’s very hard for me. I have a lot of addictive behaviors to deal with now. I can only do one thing at a time and I have no idea how to comfort myself about that either.
Thanks Ox. I appreciate your words of wisdom and validation on this growth journey for me.
Lesson,
interesting perspective. I had just finished posting on another thread on my own need to control through “fix-it” behavior.
Read it on the Gaslight thread, in my response to Kim.
Dear Learned,
Yep, makes perfect sense to me. I’ve been there and done that! LOL A dozen times!!!! If I am focusing on the drama in someone else’s live I am not having to focus on the pain and dysfunction in my own life!
I find that the “helping” professions are filled with enablers—and we become angry when the client/patient doesn’t take our advice to improve their lives. As a parent we become upset when our children despite our teaching better things does something stupid or makes a bad decision, or refuses to cooperate with us. Or when a spouse or lover, friend, etc. does things that adversely impact on them.
Some people however, will use ENABLING to try to make others beholden to them, my egg donor kept offering to lend me money or give me money and I kept refusing it. My X BF a psychopath offered gifts all the time, like when my washer went out he offered to buy me a new one, and I said “No, I’ll buy my own thanks.” He actually got offended….egg donor did the same type thing, got offended when I refused her “gifts” which were really down payments on CONTROL “After ALL I have done for you…… wah!!!!!!” Well, believe me when I say that GIFTS are not supposed to give someone a handle for control. I’ve been the receiver of such “gifts” and I’ve been the giver of such “gifts,” and neither side is beneficial to anyone.
LL, You have come a really long way, in a really short time. You sound really clear today, about taking care of yourself, and the roast in the crockpot is a good start. Not beating yourself up, is also good. Maybe you could talk back to the voice in your head, and contradict it. Foor instance, if the voice says, “you’re lazy,” you catch it and answer, “no I’m not. I’m resting and taking care of myself.”
You talk about addictive behavior. This is just a suggestion. Google Love addicts anonomous and read the 12 steps. The 12 steps work. They really do, and they will allow you to find some peace. One word of caution: go to LAA not LASAA. The second one is love and sex addicts anonomous, and we don’t want any run ins with sex addicts. Isn’t that absurd? To think that love and sex addicts won’t relaps with each-other…talk about being a sitting duck. LOL.
Also, can I suggest we move this discussion to another thread. This one has over 600 entries and my computer is balking. It’s like the little engine that could….