Sky, i need to read that book, and the baron cohen book. think it is time. the battle with my father is drawing closer.
skylar
12 years ago
One Joy,
Oh yes. You do need to read it. Cleckley was the first to see the spath for what he was, and I don’t think anyone has matched his genius yet.
At the very beginning of the book, he says that the spath CANNOT be studied by psychologists in therapy. It does no good. They can only be understood in the context of their entire life story. They must be studied in the wild over a LONG period of time. (paraphrased)
I have always believed this. The spath can only be understood in the context of his relationships because that is what makes a spath, a spath: his attacks on human beings who love him.
I have a new theory about that. It’s coming to a conclusion very soon. Cleckley had all the pieces of the puzzle and he even wrote them down but he didn’t put them together in the end.
Constantine
12 years ago
Hey guys,
Yes, when it comes to books on psychopathy, “The Mask of Sanity” is my favorite! I read it a couple of years ago, but it’s so good I think I’m due to read it again before too long. Unfortuantely, it is out of print, and even a used copy is around seventy dollars. But for anyone interested, here’s the link for the full (downloadable) version online:
Your Siamese WAS your baby…you cared for him and I’m sure there was a giant void in your life when he passed. Its sometimes worse than losing a person in your life. They ARE a family member. Its so sad when we lose them…and sad when they are crying and we feel helpless. Its one of the reasons why my neighbor won’t get another pet. At age 72, she doesn’t want to deal with more loss in her life. I don’t blame her.
I think that if you can get out and dance, it would really help you in many ways…social, physical, etc. I remember the old “disco” days…back in the day! Did a lot of dancing back then, contests and all…I was in great shape. Young and fit.
I have tried the “gym” thing and I do like the weight machines. But, I just hate gyms and everytime I join, its nothing but guilt about not going. I didn’t even like phys.ed in school! I love to walk. My g/f and I walk 10 miles at a clip when we get together…talking makes it go by. We walk the boardwalk along the ocean and then all around the town..then back. I walk around my lake, which is peaceful and natural…3 miles. Or, the back roads…I love to look at houses and landscaping! lol A woman on tv walked in a circle in her yard around her clothesline …started 5 mins..then 10, then worked her way out of the yard…lost 150lbs and ran a marathon a year later!
There’s a quote. “If its important, you will find a reason. If its not, you will find an excuse.”
Love that one.
Thanks for your support…
Bringing Darla to the vet to set her arm..in an hour!
I can’t wait until its set to heal right and she’s on her way!
one/joy_step_at_a_time
12 years ago
thanks Constantine, my local library didn’t have it. have to go buy some more printing paper now. 🙂
Stargazer
12 years ago
Let us know how the vet goes, tobe. I look forward to reading of her progress. I cannot imagine I could have loved a human child more than that Siamese. When the vet came to my house to euthanize him, I begged her to give me the shot, too.
You are right – I love to dance and used to go dancing all the time. I don’t have any girlfriends to go with, but I think that I can just go to the club by myself and bring my book and dance when a good song comes on. Also, I started learning salsa. The one time I went to the salsa club, I went by myself, but within 5 minutes I was dancing for the rest of the night. I can’t think of a better way to lose weight than salsa. I’m going to get back in the groove starting tonight. I was in a little bit of a slump dealing with more emotional stuff. It’s all non-verbal stuff from early childhood, but I’ve been managing to clear most of it, and I’m on my way back to enjoying life again.
I recently received a very romantic email from an attractive man on the dating site from CA. Because I’m not totally naive, I googled his prose that he wrote me, because it sounded too good to be true. Sure enough, I found the exact same poem that had been sent to another woman last year on a dating site. Unless it’s the same guy sending it, he plagiarized it and signed his name. I’m guessing the picture isn’t real either. Too bad, it definitely made my heart jump for a second. Here is what he wrote:
“I don’t know like a silent thief the first look at your photo stole my heart away. In love’s very first game of hide-n-seek I hid myself in the shelter of your eyes. Now I’m frightened because like a silent thief the first look at your photo stole my heart away. My hair disheveled, I walk like am drunk, and if I’m caught I will be questioned. Oh, how can I go home? For love’s first sight slithered and sneaked in and stole my heart. I don’t know when like a silent thief the first glance at your photo took my heart away. I beseech you to bless me with your beauty before night fall”
I’m getting to where I can catch these scam artists right away.
tobehappy
12 years ago
No offense, …Animals are better than people.
I wonder if there are socio animals. My friend has a cat that the vet said is bipolar. It hisses at everyone except him…and when you walk by it, it hits you in the leg.
It scares the daylight out of me! lol
But, generally, they are loving, grateful, loyal.
Unless there is something wrong with their brains.
A lot of people have something wrong with their brains. Thats why there is evil in this world.
Stargazer
12 years ago
Tobe, I have always loved animals more than people. Probably because the animals in my life treated me far better than any humans I ever knew. But I have always had a special bond with them, except for the phobia I have of spiders. I would NOT cuddle a spider, no matter how cute it is!
Louise
12 years ago
I had a beautiful Himalayan for almost 18 years. She died three months shy of her 18th birthday in August 2005. I have never replaced her. She was my baby. She was my kid. I have locks of her hair tucked away in drawers. I even had a custom made urn for her ashes. It looks just like her. I am a huge cat lover. I should probably get another one at some point in my life.
Sky, i need to read that book, and the baron cohen book. think it is time. the battle with my father is drawing closer.
One Joy,
Oh yes. You do need to read it. Cleckley was the first to see the spath for what he was, and I don’t think anyone has matched his genius yet.
At the very beginning of the book, he says that the spath CANNOT be studied by psychologists in therapy. It does no good. They can only be understood in the context of their entire life story. They must be studied in the wild over a LONG period of time. (paraphrased)
I have always believed this. The spath can only be understood in the context of his relationships because that is what makes a spath, a spath: his attacks on human beings who love him.
I have a new theory about that. It’s coming to a conclusion very soon. Cleckley had all the pieces of the puzzle and he even wrote them down but he didn’t put them together in the end.
Hey guys,
Yes, when it comes to books on psychopathy, “The Mask of Sanity” is my favorite! I read it a couple of years ago, but it’s so good I think I’m due to read it again before too long. Unfortuantely, it is out of print, and even a used copy is around seventy dollars. But for anyone interested, here’s the link for the full (downloadable) version online:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF · PDF file
.
Star,
Your Siamese WAS your baby…you cared for him and I’m sure there was a giant void in your life when he passed. Its sometimes worse than losing a person in your life. They ARE a family member. Its so sad when we lose them…and sad when they are crying and we feel helpless. Its one of the reasons why my neighbor won’t get another pet. At age 72, she doesn’t want to deal with more loss in her life. I don’t blame her.
I think that if you can get out and dance, it would really help you in many ways…social, physical, etc. I remember the old “disco” days…back in the day! Did a lot of dancing back then, contests and all…I was in great shape. Young and fit.
I have tried the “gym” thing and I do like the weight machines. But, I just hate gyms and everytime I join, its nothing but guilt about not going. I didn’t even like phys.ed in school! I love to walk. My g/f and I walk 10 miles at a clip when we get together…talking makes it go by. We walk the boardwalk along the ocean and then all around the town..then back. I walk around my lake, which is peaceful and natural…3 miles. Or, the back roads…I love to look at houses and landscaping! lol A woman on tv walked in a circle in her yard around her clothesline …started 5 mins..then 10, then worked her way out of the yard…lost 150lbs and ran a marathon a year later!
There’s a quote. “If its important, you will find a reason. If its not, you will find an excuse.”
Love that one.
Thanks for your support…
Bringing Darla to the vet to set her arm..in an hour!
I can’t wait until its set to heal right and she’s on her way!
thanks Constantine, my local library didn’t have it. have to go buy some more printing paper now. 🙂
Let us know how the vet goes, tobe. I look forward to reading of her progress. I cannot imagine I could have loved a human child more than that Siamese. When the vet came to my house to euthanize him, I begged her to give me the shot, too.
You are right – I love to dance and used to go dancing all the time. I don’t have any girlfriends to go with, but I think that I can just go to the club by myself and bring my book and dance when a good song comes on. Also, I started learning salsa. The one time I went to the salsa club, I went by myself, but within 5 minutes I was dancing for the rest of the night. I can’t think of a better way to lose weight than salsa. I’m going to get back in the groove starting tonight. I was in a little bit of a slump dealing with more emotional stuff. It’s all non-verbal stuff from early childhood, but I’ve been managing to clear most of it, and I’m on my way back to enjoying life again.
I recently received a very romantic email from an attractive man on the dating site from CA. Because I’m not totally naive, I googled his prose that he wrote me, because it sounded too good to be true. Sure enough, I found the exact same poem that had been sent to another woman last year on a dating site. Unless it’s the same guy sending it, he plagiarized it and signed his name. I’m guessing the picture isn’t real either. Too bad, it definitely made my heart jump for a second. Here is what he wrote:
“I don’t know like a silent thief the first look at your photo stole my heart away. In love’s very first game of hide-n-seek I hid myself in the shelter of your eyes. Now I’m frightened because like a silent thief the first look at your photo stole my heart away. My hair disheveled, I walk like am drunk, and if I’m caught I will be questioned. Oh, how can I go home? For love’s first sight slithered and sneaked in and stole my heart. I don’t know when like a silent thief the first glance at your photo took my heart away. I beseech you to bless me with your beauty before night fall”
I’m getting to where I can catch these scam artists right away.
No offense, …Animals are better than people.
I wonder if there are socio animals. My friend has a cat that the vet said is bipolar. It hisses at everyone except him…and when you walk by it, it hits you in the leg.
It scares the daylight out of me! lol
But, generally, they are loving, grateful, loyal.
Unless there is something wrong with their brains.
A lot of people have something wrong with their brains. Thats why there is evil in this world.
Tobe, I have always loved animals more than people. Probably because the animals in my life treated me far better than any humans I ever knew. But I have always had a special bond with them, except for the phobia I have of spiders. I would NOT cuddle a spider, no matter how cute it is!
I had a beautiful Himalayan for almost 18 years. She died three months shy of her 18th birthday in August 2005. I have never replaced her. She was my baby. She was my kid. I have locks of her hair tucked away in drawers. I even had a custom made urn for her ashes. It looks just like her. I am a huge cat lover. I should probably get another one at some point in my life.