By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
Most of you know I have spent a good portion of my life training animals of various kinds dogs for obedience and to work livestock, horses, donkeys and cattle (oxen).
When we train animals, we “condition” them to do X and they receive Y reward. Ivan Pavlov, a Russian physiologist, conditioned dogs to expect to be fed by ringing a bell every time they got fed. Eventually when a bell was rung, even though there was no food in sight, the animals expected to be fed, and their bodies reacted by making them “slobber” at the mouth, just as they would if food were present.
B.F. Skinner, and American psychologist, observed that animals who had intermittent rewards, rather than continual rewards, would continue a behavior longer than animals who got rewarded every time they did an act. For example, a rat that pushed a lever and got a grain of food every time, would quickly stop pushing it if the food didn’t com. But a rat that sometimes got a food pellet when he pushed the lever would continue to pound on the lever for a very long time, or even never stop pushing it, even though he did not get a food pellet.
In humans, this “intermittent” rewards works in a slot machine, or in gambling games, because every once in a while you get rewarded. Therefore, you keep hoping that next time will be THE TIME.
Psychopaths and intermittent rewards
You may ask what this training technique has to do with psychopaths. Well, just as Las Vegas was built on intermittent rewards for gamblers, relationships with psychopaths are built on the intermittent rewards they give us.
At the first part of the relationship, the psychopath “love bombs” us by giving us the good things we enjoy compliments, doing things for us, great sex. WOW! We think we have found nirvana. Just as a dog I am beginning to train gets a treat every time he “sits,” then only sometimes when he “sits,” the psychopath only gives us the “loving” some of the time. Also, just as I eventually no longer give the dog a food treat any time he “sits,” and the most he will get is a “good dog” verbal compliment, or a scolding if he doesn’t sit fast enough, the psychopath quits giving us treats and gives us “scoldings.”
We have been conditioned by the psychopath to be and do what they want, because we still desire that initial “love bombing,” and we dread the “scolding” they will give us if we don’t “jump” when they say “frog.” We keep on hoping against hope that we will be able to please them again. We do whatever we can to keep the scoldings to a minimum and get them to reward us with “love” again.
Running for bread
It doesn’t make any kind of difference if the animal we are training is a dog, a parrot, a donkey, an steer, a horse ”¦ the conditioning works the same. Intermittent rewards cause the desired behavior to continue. If we give continual rewards every time they perform the behavior, it wouldn’t take long for the behavior to be extinguished when we stopped rewarding it.
My mammoth jack donkeys, Fat Ass and Hairy Ass, haven’t had a piece of bread (their preferred treat) in a year or more. But any time I go to the hangar and open the freezer, they come running up to the fence on the never dying hope that I will get bread out of the freezer and give them a piece. They are totally “conditioned” to that treat, and they know that the opening and closing of the freezer is what always preceded them getting a slice of bread.
The psychopath we have had relationships with know what “rings our chimes,” what makes us happy and what makes us sad, or what makes us angry. It is like a panel of buttons on the front of our chest. They know just the exact words to say, or the thing to do, that will press our “buttons” and get the reaction they want from us.
No Contact is the answer
No Contact keeps those buttons covered. That is why it works.
Psychopaths know that in the past, if they pressed “button A,” you would do B. So they will keep on trying because IT ALWAYS WORKED IN THE PAST. They just know if they keep doing it, it will EVENTUALLY work again. So they will press it harder and faster and longer. Just like some old lady sitting at a slot machine, plugging in quarters, she just “knows” that the very next quarter will get her a reward. Just like my donkeys running up to the fence when I open the freezer, they still hope to get a slice of bread, a reward.
Expect when you go No Contact that the psychopath will up the ante and will work harder and longer to get a reaction. If it takes 30 times for them to eventually get a reaction, THEY LEARN THAT it takes 30 TIMES TO GET A REACTION. If next time it takes 40 times, they learn that they must work a bit harder to get a reaction, so they keep on and on and never stop.
So hang in there. Once you make up your mind to go NO CONTACT, then STAY no contact, because if you give them ANY reward of ANY kind, even a well deserved “cussing,” it is still a reward. It is ATTENTION, and even negative attention is attention. Not being noticed at all is the worst punishment they can have.
If you are required by law to have contact with them, like if you share children, do it only by e-mail, so that you have a record of it. Discuss ONLY the children. Do not respond to any nasty comments they make. Refuse to discuss the other person with your children, and Gray Rock them entirely. NO emotional responses at all. If possible, get someone else to pick up and drop off the kids, so you do not have to see him/her. Or do it in a public place, a police department parking lot if necessary.
We can stop them only by not responding. So when your ex is trying to push your buttons, just think about Joyce’s donkeys Fat Ass and Hairy Ass running up to the fence for a slice of bread. Visualize your psychopath with long ears, standing there trying to get a reaction from you, and then DON’T GIVE IT. Take control and refuse to allow the psychopath to make you respond to his/her button pushing!
God bless.
((Truthspeak)) Thank you for answering me….
I am sitting here, with some coffee, just reeling…
“I” do NOT ‘bother’ “IT”….why on earth’s name does this continue?
Yah, still stalking. No, I wasn’t able to serve him a PO because he is transient. Hard to serve someone either living out of their car or moving around so much. He does A LOT of moving around…picks his places off the internet. That is how “I” got stung. Charming: very….. But, local authorities have reassured me, SO MANY TIMES, that I DON’T need that piece of paper, I just have to call. I do volunteer work for the local authorities and they are more like ‘family’ to me than acquaintances; know what I mean? I have protection and “IT” still sneaks through. What’s that?
No, he has threatened to murder me on numerous occasions, saying that “I” am the fault and reason for everything that HE has screwed up in HIS LIFE. He has been hounding me for 13 years now and because I spurned his attentions…HE is obsessed and not a very nice person. Trust me. It’s been 13 years of this and I am NOT going back into the same insanity that caused me to have a heart attack and almost die. NO: NO: NO.
It’s kind of hard for me leaving my home. I mean, here, I have protection and people who love and care about me. Know what I mean? BUT: if he can slip through my protection and continue to leave things on my door step, it’s best to just relocate.
There “IS” going to be plenty of consequences for “IT”.
HIS THIRD STRIKE. Which means all probation REVOKED and he goes to jail for EVERYTHING he is currently charged with; WITH THE ADDITION OF THE STALKING AND THREATS HE HAS THROWN AT ME. He has even attempted to PURPOSELY murder me.
Oh yes, much beyond the bid for attention.
He is taunting and stalking and just totally and utterly INSANE.
I see it. I paraded him in front of NUMEROUS authorities and although they SAW it, there was nothing they could do about it. They will wait until he murders ME or someone else and then say: “Aw, jee, that’s too bad; something needs to be done.”
The Federal government has NOT renewed the violence against women act which leaves too many women open to the abuse, currently without protection. Know what I mean?
Anyways, you are sweet: “Home is any place you are.”
You are right.
Thanks for the hugs: I am about to fall apart again from all of this. It just makes no sense to me at all, but then, again, psychopaths don’t usually make sense, do they?
(((Hugs back, Truthspeak))) Hope you are doing alright.
I send prayers to you all the time.
You know, I have a security company that backs me up and last week, I was notified that someone had ran a background check on me TWICE in one week. Need I even WONDER “WHO” that was? Hm? Yet, these online companies, they continue to publish people’s personal information WITHOUT SECURING PERMISSION…your phone number, address…google will even give them a photo of where you live along with a helpful map.
Just google yourselves, once.
See what you find. You will be amazed.
That is why I had to hire this security company to hide me online and in other ways…my phone stays pretty quiet, although I DO see it is out there, online for $5.99+tax. It doesn’t do any good changing your phone number. THEY ARE HELPING PSYCHOPATHS by doing this. I have been FIGHTING it for the past five years now….actively; intelligently and carefully.
The only thing you can do is what I did.
Hire a security company to monitor my information and to remove it from whatever they can. Some things they can’t.
He hates me because I am stronger than he is.
I don’t want him in my life. He thinks I should accept his
insanity and I am not. He KNOWS he can get help. It’s all
a choice by him and I am not buying it. Period.
There is NOTHING left to say: so stop the love bombing…the stalking…the authority taunting…he DOES NOT want to MESS with the local authorities; NOT RIGHT NOW. Trust me. He should realize that right now, he could just get hurt.
Dupey
xxoo
Dupey,
you asked why he continues stalking after 10 months of NC. Well the last 8 times you went NC, he continued stalking and eventually got you to break NC. After 9 months, last time he wore you down. So he believes that if he just keeps trying, he will wear you down again.
Inadvertently, you trained him to keep stalking you. Now you have to UN-train him. The only way to do that is PERMANENT NC.
Stay adamant Dupey. NC Forever means forever. Don’t feed the spath.
(((skylar))) Thanks. THAT came at a time that I just came to the SAME CONCLUSION myself. 🙂 You just VALIDATED it for me.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct.
NO attention. That is what he is wishing for.
A way into the door again.
I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO got it now.
NC means FOREVER. ADAMANT.
DON’T FEED THE SPATH. ANYTHING.
(except for maybe a little law enforcement….)
mwahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! xxoo
Yes: NO response.
Zip. Zero. Zilch.
IF he comes here and he is caught,
HE IS going to PRISON for a very long time.
You would think “IT” would realize this; hm?
Thanks you guys for putting my head back on.
xxoo
The violence against women bill is stuck in the house of reps because they don’t want to protect Native Americans.
This is stunning to me. According to this article, if a white man abuses a Native American on tribal land, he gets away with it because the Tribe can’t prosecute him and the State doesn’t have jurisdiction.
That would work right into my ex-spaths hands, since he loves to go to tribal reservations looking for native american children to rape.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/us/politics/violence-against-women-act-held-up-by-tribal-land-issue.html?_r=0
Breaking: The Senate just passed the Violence Against Women Act with a HUGE bipartisan majority, 78 to 22.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/02/12/1556601/senate-passes-vawa-again/?mobile=nc
YAY!!!!!
Dupey
Skylar, that’s farkiing INSANE!!!! Wonder if the Native Americans got anything in the final passing?
Well, it may not be perfect, but at least we got something passed.
It is NOT passed in the HOUSE, only in the SENATE.
We still have to fight the republicans in the house.
Here is are 20 of the 22 Senators, (all male republicans) who voted AGAINST the bill.
Senators who voted against the bill included Republicans John Barrasso (Wyo.), Roy Blunt (Mo.), John Boozman (Ark.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Cornyn (Texas), Ted Cruz (Texas), Mike Enzi (Wyo.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Chuck Grassley (Iowa), Orrin Hatch (Utah), James Inhofe (Okla.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Ron Johnson (Wisc.), Mike Lee (Utah), Mitch McConnell (Ky.), Rand Paul (Ky.), Jim Risch (Idaho), Pat Roberts (Kansas), Marco Rubio (Fla.) and Jeff Sessions (Ala.).
Yea, Dupey, you got to stick to your guns this time, with NO GOING BACK….I hate you have to move too, but do what you have to do to be safe.
I see…only in the Senate. Hmm: Still have the House to get through…oh yes, all men and probably all chauvinist against
women in some form or another, I would roughly guess.
OX: Yes, stick to guns. NO going back.
I can’t afford to look back anymore.
He is DEFINITELY untrustworthy and dangerous.
I hate I have to move too but you know what?
Once I do, it will (MAYBE) (FINALLY) be quiet.
Least for a while, until he finds out where I am next.
((thanks Ox))
You be safe too, okay?
((skylar)) Thanks for bashing me in the head earlier
and putting my feet on the ground…xxoo