I received the following email from the Lovefraud reader who posts as “Zimzoomit:”
I saw the Lifetime Network show about you and lovefraud.com. What I would like to know is how the man who came next (your true lover, after the fraud) helped you to overcome the emotional havoc your ex who frauded you caused? Is there a specific blog or link on lovefraud.com to tell us how he helped you?
Were you able to talk about things that bothered you about your ex, even ever so occasionally, when/if the haunted thoughts encroached on you ”¦ even if only occasionally but for years after the fact, and if so, what things did your new love say, to help you overcome those thoughts? Was he willing to listen, or did he occasionally treat you like a “broken record”?
Yes, after the sociopath, I now have a wonderful husband, Terry Kelly. We truly love each other, care about each other, and want each other to be happy. I should point out, however, that Terry wasn’t my first relationship after the con artist.
First post-sociopath relationship
Seven months after I left my sociopathic husband, James Montgomery, I started dating a man named John. John was younger than me, fun and entertaining. We actually met online and corresponded for more than two months before meeting in person.
At the time, I was in the midst of finding out what my ex was really all about, communicating with some of his other victims, and filing for divorce. I described some of what was going on in my emails. The story, of course, was outrageous, and I guess that John was actually intrigued.
John lived an hour and 45 minutes away from me, so we saw each other only on weekends. We did normal dating things going out to dinner, to concerts, to parties with his friends or my friends. That’s one of the biggest things John offered me—a sense of normalcy, like a safe harbor amid the insanity of my divorce. He also paid for all our entertainment, which I appreciated, because I was broke.
I did talk to him about my outrage at my ex and my frustration with the legal case. John stayed with me until the divorce was finalized, and for a few months after that. Eventually, however, the relationship ended, and he did make a comment to the effect of, “all you talk about is James.” He may have also begun to feel that my problems were just too big, and he couldn’t solve them.
Still, we had loved each other, and because I loved him, the end of the relationship was emotionally more painful than the end of my marriage. In retrospect, however, John and I were really quite different, not an ideal match. I believe that John was in my life to support me at a very difficult time and that was it. I have fond memories of him, but our relationship was not meant to be forever.
Second post-sociopath relationship
Ten months after I broke up with John, I met Terry at a nightclub. A week or so later he took me out to dinner, and we talked about our circumstances. He had been in a long-term marriage, and his wife had just asked for a divorce. I figured I might as well be honest, and told him that I was married to a con man who took a quarter million dollars from me, cheated with multiple women, etc., etc.
I didn’t know how Terry was going to react. In fact, a month passed before he called for another date—I thought I had scared him away. But when he arrived for our second date, he brought his most recent tax return to show me. He thought what I had been through was terrible, and wanted to show me that he did make his own money.
Terry and I dated for four years before we married. With him, I truly learned to give and receive love, and live in partnership. We care about and support each other. He’s my biggest cheerleader with Lovefraud. In fact, I couldn’t have created it without his support.
If you’d like to read more about how these men helped me, it’s all in the printed edition of my first book, Love Fraud. (The e-book has been abridged, and does not contain the description of my relationship with John.) The story really is romantic
Love Fraud how marriage to a sociopath fulfilled my spiritual plan.
Primer for post-sociopath relationships
Here are what I think are the take-home lessons:
1. In order to have a happy, loving relationship with someone else, we must first heal ourselves.
No one can overcome the emotional havoc for us we must do it ourselves. While I was dating both John and Terry, I was also working with my energy counselor to release all of the pain of the betrayal by my sociopathic ex. Then, I had to work with her to release the emotional pain of losing the relationship with John. By the time I met Terry, I had made a lot of progress, so I was in a much better place to build a solid relationship.
2. Sometimes we find interim relationships before we find true love.
Not every relationship is meant to be permanent. Sometimes we just travel life’s journey together for awhile, supporting each other in some way, then our journeys diverge. This was my experience with John. Although I was sad when the relationship ended, I eventually realized that it had been exactly what I needed at the time. It was perfect.
3. Real love is easy.
In a true loving relationship, there are no games, no power plays, and no exploitation. There is an honest give and take. The two people in the relationship truly care about the each other’s welfare, happiness and success. Real love is peaceful and easy.
Terry and I have been together for 12 years, and I’m still excited to see him. We still make each other laugh; we still want to snuggle. But if I hadn’t done all the internal work that I did, I’m not sure if I would have been able to experience such a wonderful love.
The relationship we experience always depends on what is going on inside of us. That’s why it’s so important to make a decision to heal, and then do what it takes to rebuild ourselves.
Oxy, I’m impressed by the red flag of irresponsibility. It did point to the tip of an iceberg didn’t it?
Maybe he thought you were one of those people like my crazy husband stealing neighbor who only sleeps with married men!!! lol!
ewwww! I get slimed everytime I think of her.
Well, it was funny, he said “Yea, I got married about 4 months ago and it sure is hard to adjust” but he didn’t even tell me her NAME so he sure wasn’t interested in talking about how happy he was or how much he loved her.
Yea, people who are IRRESPONSIBLE are not good relationship candidates. This was the guy who wanted to fly my plane without any insurance and illegally and I said NO, if you crashed I’d be liable and When I no again, he said “Oh, I won’t crash it” LOL It was exactly like asking to drive MY car without a license and without insurance. NO, THAT WAS A BIG RED IRRESPONSIBLE FLAG. I’m a “ONE flag you’re history” kind of person now. LOL
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I’m sorry your mother passed away and you have some regrets. I think that’s normal – especially in a relationship with a narcissist. We always wonder if we could’ve done something different or better.
NC is about self protection and maybe that’s what you had to do at the time.
I remember you mentioned your sister before, but I didn’t realize you had been estranged from her for so long. It sounds like you’re moving forward, letting go of the past. I’m happy for you.
OxD, you had a list of “tions” that you’ve posted before. Could you post them, again, as a guideline for potential partners?
Brightest blessings
Our resident male attorney had these “tions”
Transpor-TION, so they had to have a car
Habita-TION–and a place to live
Educa-TION–not be a 3rd grade drop out
And danged if I can remember the last one, but it meant JOB. Someone who remember iit help me out here? Erin Brock? Milo, Skylar?
Maybe it was “vocation”?
I think one of Donna’s key phrases here is:
“I worked with an energy counselor”…
And I don’t care if anyone thinks I sound like a broken record. She has already stated in several other posts that she uses a form of EFT.
I want to get well. It’s as hard for me as it is for some of the others who post on here (well, for ALL of the others!) but what I see is that I am getting better and so many others are taking a lot longer to heal. And while I benefit so much from your insights, my goal is to eventually not feel that it’s necessary to come on to Love Fraud ever again. Except maybe to post MY insights so that they can help others as I have been helped. There are so many benefits to using EFT it would take a whole page. We don’t have to just wait and let “time heal all wounds”. This is a major tool to use in speeding up the process, so we don’t miss out on any more of our lives.
But like any tool, you have to learn how to use it, and then USE it consistently to get better. You can’t leave the hammer in the tool box and think that it’s going to be able to help you hang that picture on the wall. You have to take it out, and use it. Or you could use a shoe, or a brick but neither of those will be as efficient as a hammer would be to do the job.
Millions of people use EFT (and TAT). It’s free to learn, because you can find it on the internet and on YouTube. It’s easy to learn, you can learn in like three minutes. Just use it every time you feel badly.
I started seeing a man within 5 months after the spath, that I met at a fraternal organziation I joined so that I could start volunteering again. He’s a nice guy, but I knew from the start he was my “transitional” relationship. He pays for all the entertainment, because like Donna, I am quite broke right now. He is my “therapy” too, in addition to the organization we both belong to. It’s nice to actually feel wanted and appreciated for the nice things I do, unlike how I felt about myself in the spath relationship. It’s nice not to be lied to and to be introduced to his family and friends, to be included!! And to trust that I am not going to be hurt. Again.
But I think the shoe is going to be on the other foot this time and I know I truly don’t want to hurt someone else. But I also don’t want to spend one more second of my life doing something I don’t want to do…I don’t want a brother/sister relationship. Every relationship needs that little “something-something” if you know what I mean. So I need some advice in how to handle letting him down, but being able to still be around him at this organization, because I am not giving that up for anybody! That’s really helped me also. I feel useful and worthy again, two feelings I haven’t felt for quite a long time.
So, yeah, I am a broken-record about EFT and TAT (Tapas Accupressure Technique). If something works, it doesn’t cost us any money and is easy and free to learn, quite possibly it may help. Why wouldn’t people use it, since it works even if you don’t believe that it will!!
Best wishes to everyone in their recovery. From the bottom of my heart.
Ill bet it was occupation?? Probably not constipation…..
New life…..just be right up front and give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s man enough to not only handle the truth but appreciate you for being woman enough to be truthful!
A male long term friend of mine is single and likes it that way but he tells women right up front that he does NOT want anything resembling a relationship. He’s been seeing this one girl for three years and she is crazy about him but also knows that it’s not going anywhere because of how he is. He takes her out, he pays, etc but that’s that.
You sound like a reasonable person and as long as he is a reasonable man, he should understand.
Good luck to you with it!