I received the following email from the Lovefraud reader who posts as “Zimzoomit:”
I saw the Lifetime Network show about you and lovefraud.com. What I would like to know is how the man who came next (your true lover, after the fraud) helped you to overcome the emotional havoc your ex who frauded you caused? Is there a specific blog or link on lovefraud.com to tell us how he helped you?
Were you able to talk about things that bothered you about your ex, even ever so occasionally, when/if the haunted thoughts encroached on you ”¦ even if only occasionally but for years after the fact, and if so, what things did your new love say, to help you overcome those thoughts? Was he willing to listen, or did he occasionally treat you like a “broken record”?
Yes, after the sociopath, I now have a wonderful husband, Terry Kelly. We truly love each other, care about each other, and want each other to be happy. I should point out, however, that Terry wasn’t my first relationship after the con artist.
First post-sociopath relationship
Seven months after I left my sociopathic husband, James Montgomery, I started dating a man named John. John was younger than me, fun and entertaining. We actually met online and corresponded for more than two months before meeting in person.
At the time, I was in the midst of finding out what my ex was really all about, communicating with some of his other victims, and filing for divorce. I described some of what was going on in my emails. The story, of course, was outrageous, and I guess that John was actually intrigued.
John lived an hour and 45 minutes away from me, so we saw each other only on weekends. We did normal dating things going out to dinner, to concerts, to parties with his friends or my friends. That’s one of the biggest things John offered me—a sense of normalcy, like a safe harbor amid the insanity of my divorce. He also paid for all our entertainment, which I appreciated, because I was broke.
I did talk to him about my outrage at my ex and my frustration with the legal case. John stayed with me until the divorce was finalized, and for a few months after that. Eventually, however, the relationship ended, and he did make a comment to the effect of, “all you talk about is James.” He may have also begun to feel that my problems were just too big, and he couldn’t solve them.
Still, we had loved each other, and because I loved him, the end of the relationship was emotionally more painful than the end of my marriage. In retrospect, however, John and I were really quite different, not an ideal match. I believe that John was in my life to support me at a very difficult time and that was it. I have fond memories of him, but our relationship was not meant to be forever.
Second post-sociopath relationship
Ten months after I broke up with John, I met Terry at a nightclub. A week or so later he took me out to dinner, and we talked about our circumstances. He had been in a long-term marriage, and his wife had just asked for a divorce. I figured I might as well be honest, and told him that I was married to a con man who took a quarter million dollars from me, cheated with multiple women, etc., etc.
I didn’t know how Terry was going to react. In fact, a month passed before he called for another date—I thought I had scared him away. But when he arrived for our second date, he brought his most recent tax return to show me. He thought what I had been through was terrible, and wanted to show me that he did make his own money.
Terry and I dated for four years before we married. With him, I truly learned to give and receive love, and live in partnership. We care about and support each other. He’s my biggest cheerleader with Lovefraud. In fact, I couldn’t have created it without his support.
If you’d like to read more about how these men helped me, it’s all in the printed edition of my first book, Love Fraud. (The e-book has been abridged, and does not contain the description of my relationship with John.) The story really is romantic
Love Fraud how marriage to a sociopath fulfilled my spiritual plan.
Primer for post-sociopath relationships
Here are what I think are the take-home lessons:
1. In order to have a happy, loving relationship with someone else, we must first heal ourselves.
No one can overcome the emotional havoc for us we must do it ourselves. While I was dating both John and Terry, I was also working with my energy counselor to release all of the pain of the betrayal by my sociopathic ex. Then, I had to work with her to release the emotional pain of losing the relationship with John. By the time I met Terry, I had made a lot of progress, so I was in a much better place to build a solid relationship.
2. Sometimes we find interim relationships before we find true love.
Not every relationship is meant to be permanent. Sometimes we just travel life’s journey together for awhile, supporting each other in some way, then our journeys diverge. This was my experience with John. Although I was sad when the relationship ended, I eventually realized that it had been exactly what I needed at the time. It was perfect.
3. Real love is easy.
In a true loving relationship, there are no games, no power plays, and no exploitation. There is an honest give and take. The two people in the relationship truly care about the each other’s welfare, happiness and success. Real love is peaceful and easy.
Terry and I have been together for 12 years, and I’m still excited to see him. We still make each other laugh; we still want to snuggle. But if I hadn’t done all the internal work that I did, I’m not sure if I would have been able to experience such a wonderful love.
The relationship we experience always depends on what is going on inside of us. That’s why it’s so important to make a decision to heal, and then do what it takes to rebuild ourselves.
To Be Free:
That “friend” sounds like a psycho. He has a hair trigger temper. Glad you are not taking his calls…
Sorry to say honey he sounds like another one. Peronally I have found so much of humanity to be of this mind, selfish, self involved. As long as it suits their wants, life is grand. My physco told me once: When you start to make life about you, improve it will. I have taken that advice, applied it to my life. No longer will I be taken by man or woman. In this time I have come to see that even those that proclaim to be friends are only interested in their wants. Mistaking my kindness for weakness they continue to do. Finding someone of a like mind has been impossible. From my experiences most are looking for what they can benifit from you whether it be your time, money, possesions. My best friend secured me an apartment just before my great escape, across the hall she did live. It took me five months to realize what was going on before my eyes. Busy with the police and courts I was. She was shopping out of my house daily when I was at work, another spath she is, she told me so. I moved. Trust I have lost. Many traumas I have endured, I am amazed at how much trauma a soul can take and still be ok. I don’t cry anymore, they are not worth the tears. Cause hurt to myself, putting up with others issues I will no longer do. Desensitized I have finally been. Take pride, confidence in your strengths, good people you are. Destruction of your soul they live for. A chat with my parole officer is the start to this day. We talk of my physco, interesting it is, thoughts on humanity as well. Seems I am the most normal person he sees in his day. What a world we live in.
Donna: Thank you so much for my story’s title, pegged it you did. Most of what I have seen in this humanity resides here. Devistation of the spirit by those that have had their spirit devistated. Generations of sociopaths, physcopaths, this population grows. Ongoing victimization, no silver lining do I see.
Truthspeaks: HAHA you are right. Good riddance.
Louise: That’s what I thought! I think he just wants to get the last “say” in!
But I am so greatful for what I have learned here and from the books I have read. It has helped me to be stronger as a person.
I am still saddened by the exspath relationship (2 1/2) years because I did love him. And you all know exactly what I mean. I’m getting better but I’m like some of you, I don’t want a relationship now. I have to continue healing and I know that is going to take time. I’m just so thankful I didn’t marry him.
Also, on a personal note… a business I have been involved in for 2 years just got a major breakthough. A large contract with a government agency. I am a partner in this business. I had to smile when I thought about how the exspath would have loved to have gotten his hands on the money that will come from this!! Even though he had a great job and money wasn’t a problem…. He was always asking me when I was going to plan a trip (and pay for it) and plan a cruise (and pay for it). He also told me one time that since I had this job that he could quit his and just keep the house up, etc. and he would take care of me. HA! What a joke.
So, I have a lot to smile about!
To be Free,
THAT’s A BIG RED FLAG! And that’s the things we must HONOR. Any time anyone behaves that way, and SHOWS YOU WHAT THEY ARE, BELIEVE THEM!
Good for you for maintaining NC, and yea, block his number if you can. If he shows up on your door step (and I have a feeling he will) call the cops! Don’t TELL him you are calling them just CALL THEM and let it be a surprise to him. Tell them after his DRUNKEN and AGGRESSIVE behavior the other night you are afraid of him.
Then it is on record and if he tries to show up on your door again, get a restraining order. This guy is NO GOOD…he sure found an excuse for what he did “because you didn’t pay the bar tab on hiis birthday!!! That’s a great one! You OWED HIM and you didn’t pay up….so he got a free pass to scream at you. LOL
LadyinRed: You are right about how so many people think life is only about them.
I am a very giving people. I find true joy in giving to others. The problem was that the exspath took advantage of this. I started finding my heart getting harder toward people. I had to remember that there is still good in this world but just to be wiser!
I’m sorry for you having to deal with your “so-called” friend at a time when you needed a TRUE friend!
Ox Drover: Thanks for the advice. I sure hope I want need it! Yeah, the birthday thing is pretty funny!
Thanks so much to everyone for their condolences. I have learned so much from my mother, from her life, from her strengths, and especially from her weaknesses. I believe that we can choose to live in whatever way we decide and don’t have to be programmed by our past and our parenting.
My mother had such intense abandonment issues that she couldn’t be alone. She chose to stay with abusive men rather than be alone. She was so empty inside and so unresolved from her own mother’s abandonment that she filled her life up with material things, often to the exclusion of things my sister and I needed. And my mother was completely unconscious of this entire process, though I think in her last lonely years, she recognized the cause of her loneliness. Her attitude was that her children will eventually move out and leave her but her husband(s) wouldn’t, so she better put them above her children. I say all of this with no anger or malice left. I forgave her many years ago. I think living the second half of her life without her children was more punishment than anything she could have suffered. I feel so much compassion for her suffering, the incomplete and unhappy life she lived, and for her unconscious, unresolved issues. And I’m happy to say the buck stops here. My sister and I never had any children. We both opted to work on our issues rather than to pass them down to future generations.
The last words I said to my mom about 3 years ago were “I love you.” And I meant it. I’d just sent her roses for mother’s day. But I chose not to be around her for the last 8 years of her life. My only regret in not seeing her one last time is to tell her in person that I’d forgiven her. I also wanted her to see me as a size 5. She always told me that when I turned 50, I’d get fat and my looks would decline. I wanted to show her that it is not true. I wanted her to see what a 52-y.o. *could* look like if they loved themselves and took care of themselves. Those are my only regrets and they are not huge ones. I think when a parent dies, there are always some regrets, things unsaid, even things that will come up in the future that you won’t be able to share. Feels like a normal part of grieving. I didn’t want to see her because I knew she didn’t really love herself and was not capable of loving me that much. I had always been more like her mother, and would have continued to be. I didn’t want to have that role in her life anymore.
I have learned from my mother’s mistakes that relationships are more important than material things. I’ve learned through all the suffering of my childhood to be deeply compassionate toward others. And I also got my love of travel and clothing from my mother. I appreciate everything she did for me – good and bad, because I learned from all of it, and it made me the person I am today. One of the greatest things my mother taught me was work ethic. No matter how she felt, my mother got up, put on her make-up and went to work. I have inherited her work ethic, and because of this, my clients, supervisors, and co-workers trust me. I believe 99% of life is just showing up. My mother taught me that when you have to be somewhere, you show up. It’s the least you can do.
I wrote my mom a letter last night wishing her peace at last. I also told her that if she ever comes back (I am a Buddhist and am open to the concept of reincarnation), that it is okay to be alone. We come into this world alone and we die alone, and being alone is nothing to fear.
I went to work today for a few hours and found a card signed by a lot of people and a collection of money to pay for my drive down to AZ. I am so lucky to work with these people.
Thanks again to all of you for your sincere, kind words in this difficult time.
I am trying to get my sp OUT OF MY LIFE. He has been abusive especially emotionally. I recently reached out to an old boyfriend of mine. We kind of drifted apart. I think part of it was economics on his part. We talked for a long time and he has been a great support. It felt good to talk to someone that knew me before the SP. I asked him if I was scaring him away, he says no. I try to be sensitive. We talk about a lot of things that remind me of a life I once have and want again. It feels good and it has given me the added stregnth to completely remove my SP. My situation is delegate. I have to handle things very carefully. its hard though. I dont wnat to make anymore mistakes. I know my SP was a preditor but I want to be whole and not pass any pain onto my friend.
Here’s a GREAT STORY about love after a psychopath
The 911 call that led to a fairytale romance: Extraordinary story of woman stabbed 32 times by her ex-boyfriend who fell in love with the first responder who saved her life
* Melissa Dohme was allegedly stabbed more than 30 times in her face and neck in January by her ex-boyfriend
* Dohme stands just over 5ft; her ex-boyfriend is 6ft4in and 245 lbs
* Flat lined four times and had 12 pints of blood transfused
* Said meeting her paramedic boyfriend was her fairytale
By Rachel Quigley
PUBLISHED: 09:52 EST, 5 March 2013 | UPDATED: 15:12 EST, 5 March 2013
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As she lay drenched in blood and dying on the sidewalk after being stabbed 32 times by her boyfriend, little did she know it was to be the beginning of her fairytale.
Melissa Dohme, from Clearwater, Florida, was just 20-years-old when Robert Lee Burton Jr slashed her hands, arms, face and head outside her home, the attack only stopped by a passing couple.
Clearwater firefighter-paramedic Cameron Hill, 38, responded to the 911 call, which he said was the goriest of his 17-year career.
Here’s the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2288476/Melissa-Dohme-Incredible-love-story-woman-stabbed-32-times-ex-boyfriend-911-responder-saved-life.html
Star, it sounds so peaceful…your relationship with your mother, peace and acceptance of what she was, not anger about what she was NOT. I’m so glad you have that peace. I’m workiing on it with my egg donor, but you sound like you have it together and I am so glad you do. Peace.