I received the following email from the Lovefraud reader who posts as “Zimzoomit:”
I saw the Lifetime Network show about you and lovefraud.com. What I would like to know is how the man who came next (your true lover, after the fraud) helped you to overcome the emotional havoc your ex who frauded you caused? Is there a specific blog or link on lovefraud.com to tell us how he helped you?
Were you able to talk about things that bothered you about your ex, even ever so occasionally, when/if the haunted thoughts encroached on you ”¦ even if only occasionally but for years after the fact, and if so, what things did your new love say, to help you overcome those thoughts? Was he willing to listen, or did he occasionally treat you like a “broken record”?
Yes, after the sociopath, I now have a wonderful husband, Terry Kelly. We truly love each other, care about each other, and want each other to be happy. I should point out, however, that Terry wasn’t my first relationship after the con artist.
First post-sociopath relationship
Seven months after I left my sociopathic husband, James Montgomery, I started dating a man named John. John was younger than me, fun and entertaining. We actually met online and corresponded for more than two months before meeting in person.
At the time, I was in the midst of finding out what my ex was really all about, communicating with some of his other victims, and filing for divorce. I described some of what was going on in my emails. The story, of course, was outrageous, and I guess that John was actually intrigued.
John lived an hour and 45 minutes away from me, so we saw each other only on weekends. We did normal dating things going out to dinner, to concerts, to parties with his friends or my friends. That’s one of the biggest things John offered me—a sense of normalcy, like a safe harbor amid the insanity of my divorce. He also paid for all our entertainment, which I appreciated, because I was broke.
I did talk to him about my outrage at my ex and my frustration with the legal case. John stayed with me until the divorce was finalized, and for a few months after that. Eventually, however, the relationship ended, and he did make a comment to the effect of, “all you talk about is James.” He may have also begun to feel that my problems were just too big, and he couldn’t solve them.
Still, we had loved each other, and because I loved him, the end of the relationship was emotionally more painful than the end of my marriage. In retrospect, however, John and I were really quite different, not an ideal match. I believe that John was in my life to support me at a very difficult time and that was it. I have fond memories of him, but our relationship was not meant to be forever.
Second post-sociopath relationship
Ten months after I broke up with John, I met Terry at a nightclub. A week or so later he took me out to dinner, and we talked about our circumstances. He had been in a long-term marriage, and his wife had just asked for a divorce. I figured I might as well be honest, and told him that I was married to a con man who took a quarter million dollars from me, cheated with multiple women, etc., etc.
I didn’t know how Terry was going to react. In fact, a month passed before he called for another date—I thought I had scared him away. But when he arrived for our second date, he brought his most recent tax return to show me. He thought what I had been through was terrible, and wanted to show me that he did make his own money.
Terry and I dated for four years before we married. With him, I truly learned to give and receive love, and live in partnership. We care about and support each other. He’s my biggest cheerleader with Lovefraud. In fact, I couldn’t have created it without his support.
If you’d like to read more about how these men helped me, it’s all in the printed edition of my first book, Love Fraud. (The e-book has been abridged, and does not contain the description of my relationship with John.) The story really is romantic
Love Fraud how marriage to a sociopath fulfilled my spiritual plan.
Primer for post-sociopath relationships
Here are what I think are the take-home lessons:
1. In order to have a happy, loving relationship with someone else, we must first heal ourselves.
No one can overcome the emotional havoc for us we must do it ourselves. While I was dating both John and Terry, I was also working with my energy counselor to release all of the pain of the betrayal by my sociopathic ex. Then, I had to work with her to release the emotional pain of losing the relationship with John. By the time I met Terry, I had made a lot of progress, so I was in a much better place to build a solid relationship.
2. Sometimes we find interim relationships before we find true love.
Not every relationship is meant to be permanent. Sometimes we just travel life’s journey together for awhile, supporting each other in some way, then our journeys diverge. This was my experience with John. Although I was sad when the relationship ended, I eventually realized that it had been exactly what I needed at the time. It was perfect.
3. Real love is easy.
In a true loving relationship, there are no games, no power plays, and no exploitation. There is an honest give and take. The two people in the relationship truly care about the each other’s welfare, happiness and success. Real love is peaceful and easy.
Terry and I have been together for 12 years, and I’m still excited to see him. We still make each other laugh; we still want to snuggle. But if I hadn’t done all the internal work that I did, I’m not sure if I would have been able to experience such a wonderful love.
The relationship we experience always depends on what is going on inside of us. That’s why it’s so important to make a decision to heal, and then do what it takes to rebuild ourselves.
Stargazer. OxD’s response is pretty much reflective of my own sentiments for you. When my mother passed, there was no anger, no resentment, no blame………only forgiveness.
I’m grateful that you have a sense of peace. So many people don’t.
Brightest blessings
LoveRocks, you reached out to a former boyfriend while you’re trying to extricate yourself from your current situation? Am I reading your post, correctly?
I’m not judging, here, because entanglement with a sociopath can leave us feeling empty and NEEDY. The last thing I know that I need is to set myself up with another partner – I am too vulnerable and still too raw, and it’s been since November 2011 that I last laid eyes on the exspath except in court.
Are you engaged in some strong counseling therapy to help you deal with this?
Caution, Love, caution – it takes a good, long while to recover, and even people who have been in recovery for YEARS are still vulnerable to allowing predators beyond their boundaries.
Brightest blessings
LoveRocks,
It’s good that you have someone who can help you to remove yourself away from the spath. That said, I really hope you do not link romantic feelings to it.
There are many reasons for this;
a) there are reasons why we allowed spaths to abuse us for such a long time. They are understandable reasons, nothing to be ashamed of, and yet they are what made us vulnerable, blind and expose ourselves to continued abuse… a major reason for that is that we sought/seek others to provide us with feelings that we believe we cannot provide for ourselves. We seek others to fulfill or heal our less the stellar self-image. And as long as we do that, we remain vulnerable to another’s presented mask and do not see the truth behind the mask.
b) so that means that for now you should not trust your ability to judge who’s right to love. This is not permanent, but it takes a long time of recovery, healing, NC and knoweldge, boundary setting in order to become a better judge.
c) as long as we make others responsible over our happiness, we ourselves are not the best partners to create a healthy relationship.
d) It’s safe to say we were probably bad judges of character in the past as well for similar reasons.
It’s good you found support, but I’m still waiting for you to kick the spath to the curb, go NC and actually start on your path of recovery. You are still exposing yourself to abuse. If you lean on someone else in a romantic manner, he basically becomes a crutch you’ll not be able to walk without. It’s not fair to the guy, if he’s a healthy man. And it’s not fair to you either.
I discovered several stuff about ex-affairs and ex-dates of mine after the spath which point to at least one being a spath. I never knew him in this way, because I was never involved enough. But he parasited on someone else, lied, cheated, and stalks her. That said, I also have an ex whom I have always loved a great deal and who loves me a great deal too, and we are still in contact and a spiritual support to each other through happy and unhappy times. And yet I know and accept that we will never share a physical life with each other. It wouldn’t work for many practical but also emotional reasons.
Star,
I’m sorry about your mother, but what a powerful way to see it.
Oxy and Truthy, I didn’t think I was at peace with my mother until I went down there to take care of her affairs. I thought I’d get all plugged in, but there was not a trace of anger and resentment to be found. It’s just a paradox of life that I’d forgiven her but because of her narcissism, I didn’t want to be around her. In her death, I feel nothing but compassion. Oxy, I wish that for you too with your mother, but I suppose it’s dangerous to feel too compassionate toward dangerous people while they are still in a position to hurt you, especially if you have the tendency to idealize the good things. In her death, my mother can’t hurt anyone anymore. Even for the most horrible menacing people, in the end, they are all reduced to ashes or dust like every other living thing. It’s easy to forgive them then, because you just see the humanity, and all you can do is accept it. For as miserable as these people make everyone around them, they are 10 times more miserable themselves. It’s tragic.
Eckhart Tolle said something about “choice” that stuck in my mind. A lot of people hang onto their grievances because they think the other person has free will choice and they chose to do wrong. Eckhart Tolle says that when a person is unconscious, they are not aware of how their programming affects their choices. In that case it is not really a conscious choice. They just do what their programming tells them to do because they don’t know better. That doesn’t mean they are unaccountable. It just means they did the best they knew given their programming. It was not totally a free will choice. Only when we become conscious are we truly at choice. I don’t think my mother would have chosen a life of misery voluntarily. I think she just didn’t know any better, and she did the thing she perceived would bring her the most comfort and avoid the most pain. It really backfired on her, but she was not conscious enough to know that. She led a tragic life, and I feel sad for this. I know how very difficult abandonment is to face, and I forgive her for not facing hers head on. She was like a little child always looking for her parents. She tried to make my sister and me into her parents. It’s not a good or right way to be a parent – to try to make your children your parents. It was just the way she was. She didn’t know any better. For a long time, I felt she “owed” me. I carried resentment and I kept score. “Well, she bought a grand piano but she never helped me with therapy……..” etc. When I let go of the grievance, none of this mattered to me any more. I’m in a much happier place without the grievance and without the entitlement to her amends. That resentment was eating me alive.
I ask myself if having those things – mostly money I felt entitled to – sitting here in front of me would make me happier in this moment? The answer is “no”. Material things are not what make me truly happy. It took the tragedy of my mother to realize that. So whoever she leaves her estate to, I will still be happy. I may not have as many choices and options about where I live and what I do for a living, but I will still be happy. I have released her from any and all obligations.
Star you sound more healed and at peace than you have ever sounded and I am so happy for you that you are able to be at peace with and about your mother. Yes, mine is still trying to hurt me by helping my P-son Patrick, but she is ignorant of what she is doing. I try to be like Jesus and say “father forgive them, THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.” (but I don’t get too close to that attitude, LOL) I think your attitude is about that way, “forgive her, she didn’t really realize what she was actually doing.”
Being at peace with what IS, and accepting it for what it is, not what we wish it had been I think is the key, Star. I’m glad you are at peace with what she was.
Oxy, you may be able to forgive your mother more easily when she dies. My mother told me once that she didn’t forgive her own mother until she died. There’s something about the finality of death that seems to heal old wounds. I was always the kind of person who forgave and then just wanted to be close to the person I forgave. It was difficult to keep my distance from my mother. It’s like forgiving a rattlesnake for being a rattlesnake, but that doesn’t mean you want to cuddle with the rattlesnake. I am like Pollyanna in that I’m always wanting to see the good in everyone. It can get me in trouble sometimes. But I do see some good in my mother and some semblance of her wanting to “do the right thing” in our last few conversations. I even saw some of it in my stepfather before he died. He talked about “putting his pieces of the puzzle together.” I think in his own way, he had some remorse over how he treated my sister and regretted that he never saw her again, although he probably would not have known how to apologize.
Donna,
Thank you for posting this blog. It always seems like these things are posted when I need it the most.
I am completely terrified to date in the aftermath. Since I met the sp on the internet, this is a venue I will not try. I find it very hard to trust anyone and I’m always looking for ulterior motives. Sex? Forget about it. The sp had a very sick and twisted sexual appetite. I feel very soiled and the thought of sex or any type of physical intimacy makes me nauseous.
Not all is bad though. The experience with the sp has sharpened my red flag skills.
Point in case. After I broke up with the sp, my aunt introduced me to her friend who lives in another country (i live in Canada). She waxed eloquent about this man and how he would be the best thing that ever happened to me. Since he lived in another country, we spent many hours on skype and email. I got to know him very well and during this time started to see some small red flags that I don’t think I would have seen if I hadn’t been gutted by the sociopath. I noticed that he seemed to be slightly possessive and would call and text me incessantly, even when I told him I was out with my friends. I had to work a few midnight shifts for the first time in 15 years and he was bothered about that and demanded I tell my boss that my “boyfriend” didn’t like me working that shift. He also wanted to come visit me in Canada and really pressured me about it. We hadn’t yet met and we decided to book a trip to Vegas where we could meet. About a month before our Vegas trip, he told me he quit his job and wanted to come stay in Canada to get to know me before Vegas. I was totally shocked and wasn’t ok with that. I told him we had to wait until Vegas. I paid for my flight out there and since he had already booked his trip, I was welcome to stay in his room. We got to meet in Vegas and my inner self was shrieking about doom. The chemistry just wasn’t there. It also didn’t help that he was kinda pressuring me to marry him while we were in Vegas. When I told him it wasn’t working for me, he stormed out and when he came back, he laid a guilt trip on me. I stood my ground. It was then that I found out he had sold his car and put his house up for sale because he wanted to move to Canada to live with me. Full klaxxon ringing here!
I couldn’t wait for Vegas to end to get the hell out of there! When I got back to Canada, he called me incessantly and tried everything in the book to get me to change my mind about him coming here.
Thankfully I had the strength of lovefraud behind me. So many tips, so much positive reinforcement. Totally saved me from being in another sp relationship. His behaviour was so much like the behaviour of the sp, that I was terrified.
After that scary episode, I have realized that I’m quite happy on my own. I’m free to raise my daughter (her narcissistic father likes to pretend he’s in the picture cuz it looks good for the new girlfriends) and I don’t have to share my space with anyone.
I know I’m not an island, and I also know that I will have to let someone in one day. My track record hasn’t been too great, but I can now make better choices because I am informed.
TOWANDA saskgirl on seeing that guy wave with several red flags at once in your face. It sounds like you did the exact right thing by not getting involved with that guy in Vegas at all.
Saskgirl:
WTF? I am just floored. Where DO these guys come from??? God.
Darwins mom,
I hear you and understand. This guy and I were in love. It was great and he has grown a lot. He understands that I have some healing to do. I just feel like I need him right now. It was always so easy to be with him. He was just stuck in a dead town without the ability to climb out. Things are so different now. I am not saying that we are starting over. Its just nice to have a friend I can trust. I do worry. I feel like my SP was a rebound and it was a bad one. I dont know. I am trying to find someone to talk to. I need clarity. I will be careful .. thank you so much. I need all the help I can get. He (sp) is so mean when he drinks and it worries me. Im so tired of feeling trapped.