I received the following email from the Lovefraud reader who posts as “Zimzoomit:”
I saw the Lifetime Network show about you and lovefraud.com. What I would like to know is how the man who came next (your true lover, after the fraud) helped you to overcome the emotional havoc your ex who frauded you caused? Is there a specific blog or link on lovefraud.com to tell us how he helped you?
Were you able to talk about things that bothered you about your ex, even ever so occasionally, when/if the haunted thoughts encroached on you ”¦ even if only occasionally but for years after the fact, and if so, what things did your new love say, to help you overcome those thoughts? Was he willing to listen, or did he occasionally treat you like a “broken record”?
Yes, after the sociopath, I now have a wonderful husband, Terry Kelly. We truly love each other, care about each other, and want each other to be happy. I should point out, however, that Terry wasn’t my first relationship after the con artist.
First post-sociopath relationship
Seven months after I left my sociopathic husband, James Montgomery, I started dating a man named John. John was younger than me, fun and entertaining. We actually met online and corresponded for more than two months before meeting in person.
At the time, I was in the midst of finding out what my ex was really all about, communicating with some of his other victims, and filing for divorce. I described some of what was going on in my emails. The story, of course, was outrageous, and I guess that John was actually intrigued.
John lived an hour and 45 minutes away from me, so we saw each other only on weekends. We did normal dating things going out to dinner, to concerts, to parties with his friends or my friends. That’s one of the biggest things John offered me—a sense of normalcy, like a safe harbor amid the insanity of my divorce. He also paid for all our entertainment, which I appreciated, because I was broke.
I did talk to him about my outrage at my ex and my frustration with the legal case. John stayed with me until the divorce was finalized, and for a few months after that. Eventually, however, the relationship ended, and he did make a comment to the effect of, “all you talk about is James.” He may have also begun to feel that my problems were just too big, and he couldn’t solve them.
Still, we had loved each other, and because I loved him, the end of the relationship was emotionally more painful than the end of my marriage. In retrospect, however, John and I were really quite different, not an ideal match. I believe that John was in my life to support me at a very difficult time and that was it. I have fond memories of him, but our relationship was not meant to be forever.
Second post-sociopath relationship
Ten months after I broke up with John, I met Terry at a nightclub. A week or so later he took me out to dinner, and we talked about our circumstances. He had been in a long-term marriage, and his wife had just asked for a divorce. I figured I might as well be honest, and told him that I was married to a con man who took a quarter million dollars from me, cheated with multiple women, etc., etc.
I didn’t know how Terry was going to react. In fact, a month passed before he called for another date—I thought I had scared him away. But when he arrived for our second date, he brought his most recent tax return to show me. He thought what I had been through was terrible, and wanted to show me that he did make his own money.
Terry and I dated for four years before we married. With him, I truly learned to give and receive love, and live in partnership. We care about and support each other. He’s my biggest cheerleader with Lovefraud. In fact, I couldn’t have created it without his support.
If you’d like to read more about how these men helped me, it’s all in the printed edition of my first book, Love Fraud. (The e-book has been abridged, and does not contain the description of my relationship with John.) The story really is romantic
Love Fraud how marriage to a sociopath fulfilled my spiritual plan.
Primer for post-sociopath relationships
Here are what I think are the take-home lessons:
1. In order to have a happy, loving relationship with someone else, we must first heal ourselves.
No one can overcome the emotional havoc for us we must do it ourselves. While I was dating both John and Terry, I was also working with my energy counselor to release all of the pain of the betrayal by my sociopathic ex. Then, I had to work with her to release the emotional pain of losing the relationship with John. By the time I met Terry, I had made a lot of progress, so I was in a much better place to build a solid relationship.
2. Sometimes we find interim relationships before we find true love.
Not every relationship is meant to be permanent. Sometimes we just travel life’s journey together for awhile, supporting each other in some way, then our journeys diverge. This was my experience with John. Although I was sad when the relationship ended, I eventually realized that it had been exactly what I needed at the time. It was perfect.
3. Real love is easy.
In a true loving relationship, there are no games, no power plays, and no exploitation. There is an honest give and take. The two people in the relationship truly care about the each other’s welfare, happiness and success. Real love is peaceful and easy.
Terry and I have been together for 12 years, and I’m still excited to see him. We still make each other laugh; we still want to snuggle. But if I hadn’t done all the internal work that I did, I’m not sure if I would have been able to experience such a wonderful love.
The relationship we experience always depends on what is going on inside of us. That’s why it’s so important to make a decision to heal, and then do what it takes to rebuild ourselves.
Lol Louise!
Let me tell you, I can find them. I like to joke that I have found all the men that have all the “pathies”. It was my lot in life. Not because I was unlucky, but because I was unhealthy!
Lots of 12 step program work has helped with my recovery. I can sniff bull from miles away.
My girlfriends think I’m bitter and jaded towards men, but that isn’t the case. I’m just more cautious and not willing to “settle”
Thanks for the battle cheer Darwin’s mom
Hi Donna,
Thanks for this article. I wish I could find a true love but I have to admit I haven’t been trying. When I reflect back on the last 10 years, the quality of experiences I have had dating have been so low that it is not motivating to even try.
It’s not that I am attracted to Bad Boy or anything like that. I just feel that the men at my age are in some kind of 2nd adolescence and I can’t recall the last time a man took me on a date and treated my like a lady. Maybe it’s a California problem. I would rather stay home and bake cookies or wash my hair. Seriously.
I think I have healed. I don’t feel the need to talk about the Bad Man… ever. I don’t think I would even bring him up on a date. I would rather keep what I learned to myself. What I learned about the world keeps me safe. So, perhaps I have healed but I just don’t care anymore about dating.
I have let all my dreams go. And I think I mentioned that in my first article for LF. Still in that place. I don’t dare to dream. But now.. I do crochet and hang out with that cats.
Aloha
Dear Aloha,
LOL ROTFLMAO “Crochet and hang out with cats!” YOU, and I cook and hang out with Jack Asses (4 legged kind) and 35 year old Boy Scout camp staff. LOL—who love me mainly for my cooking.
Ox Drover
You guys are cracking me up. Nobody would love me for my cooking.LOL
Kmillercats,
From your screen name I would guess you also hang with cats! LOL
When I had to quit cooking with salt, my cooking went to “hell in a hand basket” for quite a while, but it has gotten now where I can cook just about anything except Jerky, corn beef and cheese (all home made) and just have to avoid processed foods (cook from scratch!) but I’ve always been pretty much a scratch cooker so that wasn’t a big deal just making food WITHOUT SALT was the problem. We have been trained siince childhood to eat WAYYY too much salt in our foods.
It’s all part of my “quit being a hypocrite” program…instead of telling others how to eat healthy and quit smoking, I STARTED DOING THE THINGS I HAVE PREACHED ABOUT ALL THESE YEARS. LOL
I also hang with cats too…that and the Werewolf (dog) who has sort of made peace with a runty cat that stands her ground and hisses at a dog that can put a 200 pound man on the ground…and the DOG GIVES WAY!!! LOL For the first month we had the dog the cat LIVED BEHIND THE COUCH. LOL
I’ve been struggling a bit (just a little bit) with a strange feeling: I kinda feel asexual lately. It’s not that I don’t think myself as “not sexy”… It’s more like a neutral “I don’t know whether I am sexy or not, whether that’s even important to me at all to be me.” It more has to do with reassinging sexuality itself and how it relates to me as well as finding how I will measure it.
I used to flirt before the spath at times, have a sexual encounter with someone and a lot of my measurement of sexiness was based on it. Well, after the spath I had one sexual encounter that ended up with me being majorly triggered, and recognizing for myself I should never engage in that anymore, that I didn’t want to either anymore.
Meanwhile I grey rock flattery. Flattery is like water on a uck’s back for me the past 1.5 year. And I step back from men who look at my appearance too openly. Most men are descrete about it, and those who are not almost offend me. I don’t even notice it when men look at me. Case in point was today during an outdoor activity from school. We were in Brussels for a full day, accompanying pupils, and then suddenly my gay colleague told me… “You had touche” (touche = French word for being noticed in a sexual way by the opposite gender). Apparently some guys surrounding a truck and helping with loading stuff into a building had looked at me and responded enough for my colleague to notice while passing. But I was completely clueless. I hadn’t noticed AT ALL, and when he told me I just shrugged my shoulders dismissively.
While I don’t mind at all that I have become blind and dismissive to superficial admiration regarding my appearance, I still do feel that feeling sexy, feeling feminine is important to me and I’m stuck on finding a way how to determine my sexiness for myself by myself in a meaningful way. Basically, I’ve chucked the old way of measuring sexiness out of my system after the spath, but I’m absolutely clueless with what to replace it with.
Anyone having a clue how to accomplish that?
darwinsmom:
Nope, not a clue unfortunately. I act exactly as you do. I don’t even notice if men are looking nor do I care.
I want to solve this though… I feel being able to determine for myself that I’m sexy will enhance my self confidence. I’ve recovered most of it, via boundary setting, cleaning up my mess of an aftermath life, etc… But a part of my old confidence is still lacking and I know it’s got to do with having a no-clue sexiness self-image.
I also feel it’s an important puzzle part to be able to be open to a relationship again.
Darwinsmom,
Don’t worry, you still got it! 🙂
What you are noticing is that you are losing the “sexiness” of the little girl and now you’re gaining the sexiness of a mature woman. This is the sexiness of being empowered, not that of being over powered.
You’re in control now, more than ever and you’re noticing it in your sexuality now. It isn’t being triggered by men noticing you, it will ebb and flow at YOUR command. This new sexiness is employed when you givemen looks that command their attention and they respond.
You’ve taken the spath lessons and made them work for you. That’s a huge accomplishment but it’s one that doesn’t come with a diploma or letters after your name. It’s a secret accomplishment. It’s like being given a secret super power and only you know it. That’s where your sexiness is. I would call it confidence, but it’s not that, exactly. Confidence can be superficial and have a need to display itself. Your superpower doesn’t need for anyone to know of it. It’s simply part of who you are now.
I think that’s where your sexiness went, it merged with wisdom.
Skylar, thanks…
Unfortunately I have to admit I wish I could identify with what you wrote… but I don’t. Actually, I’ve tried to flirt somewhat or hint at being interested or open to a few men and I get zilch response. So, I can’t claim I command their attention and responses. Not that matters so much to me really.
It’s not in men’s eyes that I want to read that I’m sexy… I want to read “I’m sexy; I’m feminine,” in my own eyes when I look in the mirror.
I just have been searching the internet on some advice through articles, but most are just rubbish to me. It’s either an article about what men find sexy, and a sum of attributes (mostly physical, along with attitude and confidence), or some test (I did one and had stellar confidence and attitude but average self-image, which was no surprise) but without much advice on how to solve that self-image, or some general “personality” statements.
I’m thinking though, that perhaps the key lies in the fact in finding out how I measure sexiness in others. I find lots of people around me sexy, including women. If I can find out for myself what in my opinion makes these women sexy, I might be closer to having my own measurement to determine my own sexiness?