I received the following email from the Lovefraud reader who posts as “Zimzoomit:”
I saw the Lifetime Network show about you and lovefraud.com. What I would like to know is how the man who came next (your true lover, after the fraud) helped you to overcome the emotional havoc your ex who frauded you caused? Is there a specific blog or link on lovefraud.com to tell us how he helped you?
Were you able to talk about things that bothered you about your ex, even ever so occasionally, when/if the haunted thoughts encroached on you ”¦ even if only occasionally but for years after the fact, and if so, what things did your new love say, to help you overcome those thoughts? Was he willing to listen, or did he occasionally treat you like a “broken record”?
Yes, after the sociopath, I now have a wonderful husband, Terry Kelly. We truly love each other, care about each other, and want each other to be happy. I should point out, however, that Terry wasn’t my first relationship after the con artist.
First post-sociopath relationship
Seven months after I left my sociopathic husband, James Montgomery, I started dating a man named John. John was younger than me, fun and entertaining. We actually met online and corresponded for more than two months before meeting in person.
At the time, I was in the midst of finding out what my ex was really all about, communicating with some of his other victims, and filing for divorce. I described some of what was going on in my emails. The story, of course, was outrageous, and I guess that John was actually intrigued.
John lived an hour and 45 minutes away from me, so we saw each other only on weekends. We did normal dating things going out to dinner, to concerts, to parties with his friends or my friends. That’s one of the biggest things John offered me—a sense of normalcy, like a safe harbor amid the insanity of my divorce. He also paid for all our entertainment, which I appreciated, because I was broke.
I did talk to him about my outrage at my ex and my frustration with the legal case. John stayed with me until the divorce was finalized, and for a few months after that. Eventually, however, the relationship ended, and he did make a comment to the effect of, “all you talk about is James.” He may have also begun to feel that my problems were just too big, and he couldn’t solve them.
Still, we had loved each other, and because I loved him, the end of the relationship was emotionally more painful than the end of my marriage. In retrospect, however, John and I were really quite different, not an ideal match. I believe that John was in my life to support me at a very difficult time and that was it. I have fond memories of him, but our relationship was not meant to be forever.
Second post-sociopath relationship
Ten months after I broke up with John, I met Terry at a nightclub. A week or so later he took me out to dinner, and we talked about our circumstances. He had been in a long-term marriage, and his wife had just asked for a divorce. I figured I might as well be honest, and told him that I was married to a con man who took a quarter million dollars from me, cheated with multiple women, etc., etc.
I didn’t know how Terry was going to react. In fact, a month passed before he called for another date—I thought I had scared him away. But when he arrived for our second date, he brought his most recent tax return to show me. He thought what I had been through was terrible, and wanted to show me that he did make his own money.
Terry and I dated for four years before we married. With him, I truly learned to give and receive love, and live in partnership. We care about and support each other. He’s my biggest cheerleader with Lovefraud. In fact, I couldn’t have created it without his support.
If you’d like to read more about how these men helped me, it’s all in the printed edition of my first book, Love Fraud. (The e-book has been abridged, and does not contain the description of my relationship with John.) The story really is romantic
Love Fraud how marriage to a sociopath fulfilled my spiritual plan.
Primer for post-sociopath relationships
Here are what I think are the take-home lessons:
1. In order to have a happy, loving relationship with someone else, we must first heal ourselves.
No one can overcome the emotional havoc for us we must do it ourselves. While I was dating both John and Terry, I was also working with my energy counselor to release all of the pain of the betrayal by my sociopathic ex. Then, I had to work with her to release the emotional pain of losing the relationship with John. By the time I met Terry, I had made a lot of progress, so I was in a much better place to build a solid relationship.
2. Sometimes we find interim relationships before we find true love.
Not every relationship is meant to be permanent. Sometimes we just travel life’s journey together for awhile, supporting each other in some way, then our journeys diverge. This was my experience with John. Although I was sad when the relationship ended, I eventually realized that it had been exactly what I needed at the time. It was perfect.
3. Real love is easy.
In a true loving relationship, there are no games, no power plays, and no exploitation. There is an honest give and take. The two people in the relationship truly care about the each other’s welfare, happiness and success. Real love is peaceful and easy.
Terry and I have been together for 12 years, and I’m still excited to see him. We still make each other laugh; we still want to snuggle. But if I hadn’t done all the internal work that I did, I’m not sure if I would have been able to experience such a wonderful love.
The relationship we experience always depends on what is going on inside of us. That’s why it’s so important to make a decision to heal, and then do what it takes to rebuild ourselves.
Darwin’s mom, what SKY said is EXACTLY SPOT ON….you have quit being an adolescent and letting your “sexiness” depend on someone else’s opinion, you are feeling your WOMANHOOD, and are no longer an insecure kid. YEA FOR YOU!!!! YOU GO GIRL!!!
PS Having a “sexual encounter” has nothing to do with whether you are “sexy or not” it is what you FEEL inside your mind. A psychopath can have sex with a snake or a sheep or a runway model, but none of it makes him/her “sexy” Sexy is a state of mind and they don’t get it.
Oxy,
I understand what you are saying about adolescent measurements to womanhood… but I’m quite sure that womanhood isn’t supposed to feel asexual, which is how I feel.
I wholeheartedly agree that sexual encounters by themselves do not determine sexiness… and I would have agreed to that before the spath as well. But they are events where you can express your sexuality. When I expressed my sexuality/sensuality in interaction with someone else I naturally felt sexy. Another part of the puzzle is to find a venue or a way to experience and express my sensuality towards others.
I found this article that illustrates Skylar’s and Oxy’s point they’re trying to make to me:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-is-2020/201105/the-secret-behind-who-is-sexy
“Maybe not. What I have found in my work as a clinical psychologist is that what men and women sexually respond to the most aren’t modelesque attributes. In fact, I have found one common denominator that turns both men and women on in others: frankly, my dear, they don’t give a damn. This may sound nonsensical or even contrarian, but I’m afraid it’s true.
If you take an informal poll of friends, everyone will probably come up with one word, the building block largely believed to come in a close second to physical attractiveness in the race to sexy: confidence. Yet when we take a closer look at the confidence the so-called sexy wear like a tight-fitting angora sweater, what people find sexy is more than confidence.
It’s actually a naturalness that rides along with the confidence, a lack of artifice or efforts to try to be sexy. Those individuals others find sexy don’t seem to care if you or anyone think they’re sexy.”
Ok, so I get that and that makes me understand why you say Sky and Oxy that I still got it: I have never cared as little on whether others find me sexy or not as the past year. And I get why that is sexy in other people’s eyes.
But I do want to feel sexy when I think of myself or look at myself. Per the above does that mean I’ll find myself sexy then if I stop caring whether I feel sexy or not for myself?
Darwinsmom,
remember the first rule of shame: comparing yourself to others is the basis of shame. It’s why spaths are spaths, because they are shamefully lacking in being and constantly envying OUR being.
Infants and children are the same, only as we grow into maturity, do we become who we are and realize that nobody has our experiences so nobody can compare to us.
I know that it sort of feels “asexual” because it’s not the kind of sexuality that you are used to perceiving: That of having your body “wanted” by men (and women sometimes!) Now you are becoming a woman with knowledge and wisdom that not every yahoo will look at, but many men and women of substance will admire.
The truth is, you always had it in you. It’s why the spath envied you. He knew you had “BEING”, a core of self.
Our culture distracts us from our core BEING by presenting us with images of adolescents in skimpy clothing and demanding that we compare ourselves to that “standard” (can hardly even call it a standard).
We are drawn into that game. It’s silly and childish and spathy. As you got older you’ve outgrown it. Soon you will forget all about it. When you do, you’ll find your core to be extremely sexy. That sexiness will come out of your eyes.
Edit:
we posted past each other.
Yes, Dwinsmom, that “not caring” is what makes spaths HATE us so much and we become their victims. They need attention and adulation so badly, and they can see we are satisfied with who we are. So they try to sabotage us.
It’s possible that you are still experiencing some of that slime from your spath. Rest assured that the slime was all HIS slime. You are still pure.
darwinsmom:
I think the only reason you are feeling asexual is because you are not having sex. Me, too. We all know the more you have it, the more you want. The same holds true for not doing it. When we are not doing it, after awhile, it doesn’t seem to matter. No worries…if you would find someone who you are mutually attracted to and it was a good relationship and even hopefully marriage, you WOULD be sexual again!
Perhaps I am making too much of a big deal out of it… Of course I’m looking at this “asexual” feeling with a magnifying glass. But I’m happy to discuss it, and investigate for myself whether it’s a problem or not. I just never felt like this, except perhaps when I was 5 (like any toddler). And since I haven’t felt like that in such a long time, I’m wondering whether it’s problematic or not. Perhaps it doesn’t need to be solved at all. I don’t know yet.
Louise,
That’s what I thought originally as well. Maybe it truly is only about finding a venue to express and experience sensuality in a healthy and safe way. When I think of it, there is one venue when I feel sexy… when I’m dancing… including all by myself in the living room. I also think I can discover, express and feel sensuality when painting (which has been a long time ago). Perhaps I should take up my brush again and do a painting.
I think that when you are someone real, someone of substance and depth….someone with character, giving to another person comes naturally and is done more freely. Maybe that’s why spaths can only take and suck. They have nothing to give. Spath X always seemed to give begrudgingly or with a motive/ goal. ie, to suck me back into the role of giving him what he wanted. Mother clucker. I’m really feeling angry today. I do NOT want to see him t all but if I were to run into him today it wouldn’t be pretty and I don’t even care. Just a “cluck off”.
I do NOT want to give him the satisfaction of seeing me riled up though. I’m in for the night so I’m safe! LOL
Funny….I’ve always felt asexual and could never understand or relate to why men were attracted to me. I knew they were but I never got it exactly. Very strange. I’m attracted to men big time but its almost something different than a sexual attraction. Its weird. Sooooo hard to explain. I was retardedly attracted to Spath x and he played and toyed with that in a way I’ve never had a man do in my life. Withheld and basically did little to nothing for me….in between the sheets. My god that was bizarre. Clucking Spath.
Darwinsmom, my husband was not a “handsome” man iin movie star looks, but he had such WONDERFUL CHARM that every woman from 6 to 96 was “in love with” him…
He also had a secretary in 1982 who was about 50-ish, and if you saw a photo of her you would think she was a very HOMELY woman who looked every year of her age plus some, but all thhe young guys that worked for my husband were IN LOVE AND LUST with her. When she walked into a room it lit up and every man there thought she was THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. She married one of the young guys, he was 23, and that was in 1982 and they are STILL married and STILL happy.
So “being sexy” is just having confidence in yourself I think. I’m not going to look at dating or marrying someone half my age, but I do ENJOY looking at good looking young men, but you know, even though I’ve been celibate for many years now, I don’t feel asexual, my “sexy” is still in there I’m just not interested in a “sexual escapade” without a firm commitment of mutual love and respect. I’m not sure I stand much of a chance of finding that again, but that’s okay if I don’t find it because I’m still okay if I don’t.