Like us, Claudia Moscovici had her run-in with a psychopath, one that almost destroyed her marriage. Since then, like many of us, she has thoroughly researched this destructive personality disorder. She started a blog called “Psychopathy Awareness,” and wrote two books: a novel called The Seducer, and an upcoming nonfiction book called Dangerous Liaisons.
In her review of my book, Love Fraud—How marriage to a sociopath fulfilled my spiritual plan, Claudia writes, “I didn’t think I could learn much more about the subject, but Donna’s book proved me wrong.”
Read the entire review on Psychopathy Awareness.
Love Fraud is available in the Lovefraud Store.
Wow! I just had THE single most AWESOME therapy session!!!
First, I was told that therapist is leaving at the end of March to pursue other, more broad career options. I was saddened by this, but happy for him. He’s very good and wants to do more research and have more community involvement as well as grow his private practice, which, unfortunately, my insurance won’t cover. So a portion of our time together was spent in options given as to where to go and how to select a therapist that is right for me. I’ll see him a few more sessions and then that’s it, so in the meantime, to feel comfortable in transition, I’m going to seek services elsewhere and see if I can establish with another good therapist prior to his departure, as he is willing to meet with me and a new therapist if that would help the transition process.
I’m actually okay with this.
So the rest of the time was spent discussing the blog here and my reactions, which went into triggers, which then went into internet use, which then went into the complexities of people and not seeing the WHOLE picture online, which then went into a discussion about more social face to face interaction.
A LOT of stuff came up for me. I expressed to him that I was uncertain that isolated to relationships online (here,FB) was such a healthy thing for me. I feel differently, respond differently face to face than I do online. We discussed the dangers of it all around. That it’s really difficult to find the balance for a lot of people, but in my case more so. It’s SO EASY to say whatever online. I don’t have the balance in my life with face to face contact. My therapist observed that “when you’re sitting here with me, there IS NO issue in how you communicate. Remember when we talked about Personality Disorders last time you were here and I didn’t agree with you? Well, you were frustrated with me, but you handled it very well. You didn’t AGREE with me, but you handled it very well….”
And that is true. He brings up a very very VERY valid point for me and how to apply it to my life now.
We discussed more of my reactions, triggers online vs. face to face….so interesting!!!!
We also discussed black and white thinking and that that’s how abusers WANT you to think. It’s their way or the highway. It’s very difficult to break down those barriers to see that it ISN”T all black and white. People are more COMPLEX than the labels that are often applied. Online, you really don’t “know” anyone. While it seems safer, it might NOT be so much if there isn’t a balance in other areas of your life in FACE TO FACE contact, it’s amazing to me the labels I see callously or wrecklessly thrown around onto others online and it’s EVERYWHERE, without KNOWING that human being face to face. This is why I don’t advocate for dating sites either. it’s way too risky.”
**GULP**
I told him that I believed my reactions to be abusive at times. Careless and thoughtless. He shook his head and said, “yep, and that’s my GREATEST fear for my clients when coming out of an abusive relationship like this and it’s not uncommon. I understand that you feel traumatized and often triggered by things, being passionate about something is GREAT, but you have to understand that not everyone is going to see it your way, if you’re expressing an opinion and if you’re triggered, you just have to get up and walk away. DO NOT stay online. If you feel criticized or see criticisms tossed around or a disagreement and it triggers you, walk away. You’ve handled yourself very well IN REAL LIFE, up close and 3D, but NOT online. It’s too “easy” to cut loose. It’s easy to FORGET that, unless you actually MEET ANY of those people you don’t really “KNOW” them and they don’t really “KNOW” you, I’ve seen too many clients emotionally devastated or traumatized interacting online, not just having met a predator on an online dating site, but on blogs, chat sites, you name it.
He is right. I can see where he’s coming from and I agree with that to an extent. But I also DISAGREED at the same time, because there is LOTS of information that victims can obtain online that directly relates to the traumas they have suffered. Very FEW understand what it is to be the victim of a spath…his argument? Perhaps, but MANY know what it’s like to be traumatized by a TOXIC ABUSER. Good point.
I DO see clearly the differences between interacting face to face versus online. I see how conclusions are made that may be inaccurate about someone. Even a spath. Perhaps he’s right in that the human condition is often complex.
So we talked about how NOT to be a target. About getting out into the community more and getting past that fear of face to face contact. Another fear that he had for his clients was also about isolating after a trauma such as this. We also talked about self compassion. “The happiest people are those that have GREAT self compassion, understand that they’re human and will make mistakes”….Then we talked about Ghandi and how he CHOSE NOT TO PARTAKE in anger and hostility while trying to get his messages of compassion across. I’m getting caught in the anger and hostility that was spath. That was a HUGE HUGE HUGE enlightenment for me. Part of the slime left behind. I’m angry about what he did to me, and angry at myself too, but is it necessary to HANG ONTO it, or just let it pass through me and then let it go? I have to learn how to let go of things. He only has as much power as I give him and I’m seeing that I give my own power away too. And it hasn’t been to just him, it’s been to everyone around me. Looking outside for approval instead of looking within, not standing my ground in that my own opinion count and matter. I couldn’t do that with spath or my bio fam. But I saw them as “godly” so I believed everything they slimed me with, which took away and has, my power. I GIVE my power out rather than getting it from within. Everything in my life I have done has been to gain the approval of others. Including spath. I saw them as something none of them were. To change that is going to be VERY difficult, but I think having more interaction face to face will greatly improve that. At least I hope so.
I thought that isolating and sitting online probably is NOT a good thing. I also realize that a lot of my interactions with spath were ONLINE. It’s interesting that that was probably MEANT TO BE and that HE LIKED IT THAT WAY for a variety of reasons.
So when I go back to school I have classes AT school. I’ll start with that and see how it goes. I’ll approach with caution and learning about how to be SELF PROTECTIVE. Now I”m excited about school again. Meeting new people IN PERSON lol 🙂
Erin, I read what you wrote above and I think you’re correct. You’re one smart lady and I appreciate your input on the blog.
My therapist also suggested that I become apart of a religious organization that I’d feel comfortable in. Ohhhhh not quite yet. Tha’ts FILLED with spaths. Maybe someday in the future, but not ready to go that route yet.
There wasn’t enough time to address the issues that tie in with my children, but we’ll visit that next week, as well as working on getting rid of the fear that paralyzes me in dealing with people face to face. My therapist said, “60% of communication is in body language- you don’t get that online”….that is so true.
This is a big fear I need to walk past and get through. it’s also a time to see what works for me and what doesn’t. I love Claudia’s thoughtful approach to Erin’s posts, in that she sees the issues for herself that relate to her ex spath, but is resolute in continuing on her blog, which is what she feels she needs to continue. I ADMIRE THAT! And I do because it’s important to HER and I RESPECT THAT SO MUCH! That she was able to stand up for herself and say, “well, I see your point and you do make some good ones and I’m willing to look at those, but in this area, I’m going to do what’s right for me”.
And THAT people is where I have MISSED THE BUS!!!
I think being with a spath means one becomes an EXTREME conformist. It’s easier to go to the opposite extreme when freed from it. I have felt like a prisoner in that relationship. NOw I’m seeing where the lines to freedom are. I can’t go back. I could never ever go back.
We DID discuss in depth the triggers I’m having,. how to handle them better, but there are some things that we discussed that I think I’ll keep for myself. To chew and ponder on. I’ll miss this therapist a lot. Very intelligent and one that makes me THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX that I was in for sooooo many years. I’m reminded that this would NOT BE POSSIBLE with my spath. Being open to change, possibilities and other thought processes other than his own. I can’t remember when I had an opinion or thought that he considered at all valid. So much of that resonates with me in these strong feelings of INVALIDATION inside and wanting it so badly outside.
Just to be accepted, warts and all. I wasn’t allowed to have them, indentify them or do anything about them. I felt crystallized in his world.
NOw I finally feel like I have the chance to grow up. Even if it is a painful, yet also at the same time, LIBERATING process with each layer that is peeled away.
I appreciate this blog very much for the insights that this place affords me. I’m learning A LOT.
Thanks for reading.
LL
Erin and Aerin, thank you for understanding. Aerin I also hope you got the job! I agree about learning about the members here and using the “Report abusive comment” button when I suspect that the psychopath (him or another one) is using this forum as a game, to harass us.
OH MY ~! Would everybody just get back to normal please. I am at a total loss as to why claudia was upset with me or what she may have said.. I have never typed the word Jennie on the blog – have just responded to jeannie. No hard feelings Claudia and apology accepted. I am henry the resident smart ass at time’s. I am sure there are other’s that dont appreciate my humor. BUT I can not begin to express how I am feeling at all the wonderful thing’s my lovefraud friends have said about me today…..they know there was a time I was not so humorous, a time they helped scrape me up off the floor and helped put me back together. A time I will be forever grateful for. …thank you all thank you thank you…..
Henry, nice to meet you. Boy, what an introduction we’ve had! I’m so glad that you’re not taking my comments the wrong way and accept my apology. I met you three years ago, when I was first reading lovefraud every day, after having just left the psychopath. Only back then you signed Henry, not hens. From what I recall you are, indeed, so witty, humorous and sweet. Whatever happened to Aloha? She was another regular whose posts helped me a lot back then.
Hello HENS!
Get back to normal? LOL! Working on that!!
As you read todays posts, one thing becomes obvious. If you ever have a “Hen” party, you may not have “Sheenlike” goddesses, but you’ll def. have a harem!
Lesson Learned,
It is great that you had a good session!
Here is something else to think about when in a support group. It doesn’t matter if it is an online support group or a real life support group where you are talking face to face.
Number one, support groups are nothing like online dating sites. Other than the fact that in support groups we are all vulnerable just like a dating site. But there is no hooking up agenda.
But the most important thing I think to remember about support groups can be taken directly from any 12 step meeting.
“Take what you like, and leave the rest”
What is great about online support groups is that not only will you be able to find wonderful supportive people, but it is available 24/7.
You can shoot out a post any time of the day and hopefully someone will be on sooner or later and respond.
But just like face to face support groups there are triggering subjects, and people that rubb us the wrong way and it certainly isn’t perfect.
We just have to be careful. And take what we like and leave the rest 🙂
Hello Claudia – Aloha is one my favorite’s also and she still pop’s in from time to time. Henry is my real name and I thot it wise to change it to hens ( ErinB gave me that name) because I also have felt stalked a time or two on the blog by somebody that would only know my X. I also go by (Dances with Moon) and sometimes (Dances with Wieners) but to prevent confusion I am stickin with hens. It is generic and genderless – well I can be an old hen sometime’s checkin up on all my chicks…goodness gracious I really didnt realize I was so appreciated here – I am kinda giddy that all this happened – I will thank you all again by name later – I have to go play ball with my wieners before it get’s dark……
hens,
Your chicks were there for you today!
Dear Henry,
Darlink I TOLD you you were valuable and appreciated here but NOOOOOO you wouldn’t believe me! HUH! Well, you just see here how much love there is here for you, Darlink!
Aloha is doing a masters in social work to get her therapist license and is doing well…she pops back here from time to time and updates us. She still works with adolescent girls as well as going to school. She’s come a “long way baby!” getting away from her “bad man.”
Hens , you have quite a fan base here! In fact, all the regulars do because you are like mentors for the newcomers. LL, thank you for your kind message. Since your psychopath calls you from unidentified numbers to undermine your peace and recovery, you know what I’m going through. Please let me know what your therapist suggests is the best way of dealing with this unwelcome harassment.