By Ox Drover
Most victims and former victims of sociopaths are extremely capable and smart people, so why exactly did these really smart people go “bankrupt” in their personal lives by letting a sociopath take over? That’s a question that has plagued me since I started on the road to healing.
I’ve always been a pretty astute businessperson and an excellent manager of both personnel and resources in my professional life. Why did I do so well in my professional life and go so wrong in my personal life?
I finally came to the conclusion that I ran my business like a business and I let my personal life be run in a very ”un-businesslike” manner.
I’ll use my farm as an example. I had a herd of cattle that I raised to provide meat, which I sold. So my product was meat, but my means of production was my cows having healthy calves, nursing those calves with plenty of milk, and being good mothers to the calves. If a cow did not have a calf because she had a fertility problem, she was an “unproductive” worker, so I had to fire her. Even if I was attached to her, and she was otherwise a nice cow, if she did not give birth to a calf every year, I could not afford to feed her (or “pay her salary”). If a cow was not having a calf, I noticed her lack of “production” and terminated her without too many tears, because I realized if I had a pasture full of cows that did not have calves, my farm would go “bankrupt.”
Suppose old “Bessie” hadn’t had a calf in five years, but she is so very sweet, and never kicks at me, so how could I in good conscience get rid of her, when she looks at me with those big brown eyes and nuzzles my hand when I go to feed her? Or how about old “Bell”? She has a calf every year, but she has a bad udder and doesn’t give any milk, so the calf always dies, but it really isn’t her fault, she just had an infection that caused her udder not to produce any more milk, and she really is so sweet, so what’s a little more feed anyway?
Or how about that old bull? I really do hate to get rid of him, he is so pretty, but he does tear down fences and go walkabout a couple of times a week.
How long before I would have nothing but a bunch of very decorative live pasture-art? My farm would go bankrupt because I let my emotions and excuses for why those animals were not “carrying their weight” influence me to keep on feeding unproductive stock.
I had little if any problem getting rid of unproductive or disruptive cows on my farm, because I knew that if I kept cows in my herd that cost more than they produced, or caused trouble for me or the rest of the herd by tearing down fences, trying to hurt me, or just in general causing problems, my farm would start to cost more than it brought in and I would go “bankrupt.”
So why didn’t I apply these same principles to my life that I did to my business? Well, first of all I let emotional attachment to “friends” and “family” who were “costing” me more than they produced to stay on my “emotional payroll.”
I had “friends” who only seemed to come around when they needed something, but after all, they really were in a bind, and maybe it wasn’t entirely their fault. I also had friends who seemed to think it was my responsibility to take care of them for the rest of their lives. I had friends and family who seemed to think that I owed them “unconditional love” because I gave birth to them, and no matter what they did, how badly they treated me, or used and abused me, I had to “play nice” with them.
How come if a cow even shook her head threateningly at me she was immediately hamburger, no matter how many calves she had or how fat she nursed them, and I had no problem at all sending her off to the butcher, but I couldn’t stand up to a “friend” or a family member and say, “Don’t treat me like that!”
I knew how to run a business, and I knew what made a business profitable or bankrupt. Why did I not know how to run a life and how to make it profitable and good? I let my life go bankrupt emotionally. Why did I think that things were going to change or get better if I simply allowed more output than there was income to continue? I kept giving to those in my life, but never receiving.
In our lives there are always times we give more than we get in supporting our friends and family, but if this is a continual occurrence, over time we become physically, financially and emotionally “bankrupt.” We must receive as well as give to friends and family.
Now, while I don’t literally run my “life” like I do the farm, figuratively I do. When a person is disruptive to the peace of my life, just like a cow with a dangerous attitude, I terminate them from my “pasture” so that I am not in danger of being hurt. If a person is always taking and never giving, that person is also removed from my “pasture” as unproductive. If a person is always breaking the rules and “jumping the fences” and causing trouble, what do I need that person in my life for? To get me out of bed at 2 a.m. to post their bail? To pay their rent because they can never seem to keep a job?
The people who are now in my life give as much as they receive, show respect for me and for the fences (boundaries) in my life. They don’t stand around waiting for me to bring them a bucket of “feed,” but they get out and hustle up their own, and take responsibility for themselves. I can count on these people to do what they say they will do, and to be trustworthy individuals.
My life is now more “profitable” than it has ever been and that “profit” is laid up as a big “bank account” filled to the brim with PEACE, LOVE and JOY! I am the richest woman in the world.
It is unspeakably sad when parents don’t/can’t love their children. My parents were very similar. Feeling empty inside has been my M.O. most of my life. I envy you that you have such a strong faith in God. Mine comes and goes. I think if I could just trust, things would change for me very radically.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to tell you whether or not you were having an insight. Please forgive.
Oh Star, I’m sorry you have that heaviness in your chest. I get that too. It’s anxiety. That’s the feeling I get when I don’t want to face “my shadow”.
Maybe you still have something that hasn’t quite managed to surface which is keeping you from feeling more joy.
But maybe I’m narcissistic, because I don’t really see anything so wrong with me. I mean, my face could use a face lift and a nose job, and I really should work on my flabby butt….I have some nervous habits that I don’t like. Those things aren’t so bad.
My bad behaviors are a result of my wrong thinking/feeling, so if I can figure out what I’m thinking/feeling wrong, maybe I can fix it. I never thought I felt ashamed, until just now, when trying to tell you why I can’t ask for anything. I tried to follow the line of reasoning and came up with fear of being rejected. Of BEING A REJECT.
Sky,
It seems I cry easily and almost daily and this lifts the heaviness. I cried during the Michael Moore film when all the underdogs banded together and stood up to the big corporations. I felt vindicated somehow by what they were doing. I feel my depression is on its way out. Thank you for your moral support. It means so much. It really has felt like some sort of fear, too–the fear of what the boy would see about me if he looked right through me. Hmmmm.
It seems like you uncovered a really good piece of information. Can you question it to see if it’s true? Are you really worthy of rejection? Obviously you’re not. 🙂
When I faced my own egotism, I actually questioned whether I was in fact a narcissist. The answer was no, but I just have some of the traits and behaviors. I can work on these. I also have a lot of other good traits and behaviors that I wasn’t giving myself credit for.
I think we can have control what we can name (just like in the story). In this case if you can name your fears your can question them and stop letting them control you . What do you think?
Star,
You’ve been very helpful just now (and many times before) in helping me take these little painful steps toward what I hope will be my healing. Thank you and thank God for Donna giving us this blog.
I hope I can inspire you to feel more trust in God. It’s hard to say if I have trust and therefore I see Him in everything or vice versa, I see Him in everything therefore I trust Him. (but we do fight alot, he smacks me with what feels like a golden skillet and then laughs at me. Then I have no choice but to laugh with Him).
So, for instance, Donna’s blogsite. Wow! I seriously have never felt so much closeness or acceptance or imagined that it would be possible with people I’ve never met. That’s a miracle – don’t you think? That’s an example of seeing Him therefore I believe in Him.
I recently read an article that helped confirm my belief, I’ll try to find it post a link. I don’t want this thread to go into religion/faith, but if it can help anyone to feel better or move forward, it’s worth it.
Sky,
There is no formula to what opens my heart. It opened during a tarot reading the other night. It opened during the Michael Moore film. It opens often by being here, and even by being on my reptile forum. It seems the closest I can get to a concept of God is to have genuine connections with loving, caring people. This does help me a lot. I feel I’m headed in the right direction but will probably never be a religious person. Anyway I believe that religion is for people who are afraid to go to hell. Spirituality is for people who have already been there. 🙂 I think I am a spiritual person, but my idea of a higher power is not an entity I call God. Although I have to admit, when I got the call from Citimortgage, it made me wonder if there really is a God. For people who have been betrayed and abandoned by their parents, it is often difficult for them to believe in any sort of loving fatherly figure. So I envy you in this way.
Thank you for your kind words, and I’m glad that anything I have to say can help anyone. As a grad student, I was studying counseling psychology. I wanted very much to be a therapist but couldn’t get a handle on my own demons. Maybe some day I will try again.
Star, crying easily is a sign of PTSD. I began to cry easily a few years ago too. This was soooo not like me. Did you see this link posted by harmony in another thread?
suicideandmentalhealthassociationinternational.org/commptsdsym2.html
You would make a really good therapist! you ask some very good leading questions! Ok, I’ll bite, am I worthy of rejection? No, but then why do I get rejected? because other people have their own slime issues. THEY feel unworthy so they deal with it by trying to step on other people, it makes them feel better. So they slime me. How do I deal with that? The slime is so sticky and if you already have some on you, the new slime gets a better hold.
Your next statement was interesting: you questioned whether you are a narcissist. Me too. Maybe we are and that is what the slime is sticking to: our egos. Can we get rid of that ego?
How does one function without an ego?
it seems we are posting over each other. LOL.
LOL Sky,
I don’t doubt that I have PTSD. It’s not from the sociopath. It’s from growing up in my family. My tears these days are usually tears of happiness. Like “you mean it doesn’t have to by this way? It can be better”? My life doesn’t have to be a nightmare?”. Those are the revelations I’ve been having lately.
As long as you know the rejection doesn’t have anything to do with you, does it really matter why they’re doing it? I have come to see that sometimes people are afraid of me because I speak my mind and tell the truth. That’s terrifying to lots of people. Lots of people are afraid, and they want you to conspire with them to live in fear. Being an independent thinker can be very threatening to people.
Well I questioned whether I was a narcissist, and I asked a few counselors too (they said no). But I have empathy for others and take joy in their accomplishments and happiness. So I questioned it and decided it wasn’t true. But there are certain behaviors and reactions I have that I need to work on. Nothing wrong with that. We all are a work in progress.
Sklyar, in response to your post that began “Wow, Star, that’s a great story”, you remember when I wrote “the enemy is us”?
The narcissistic wound sociopaths reflect back to us is ours. Read your second paragraph. You tell a story about the situation with your parents. You describe a result on your behavior. You say something about your beliefs about yourself.
The unasked question is why? What is it about you that makes you unworthy to ask for what you want or a favor? And which certainly would make you ineligible to make demands on other people.
I went to a weekend training for non-violent communication. This particular weekend was focused on self-compassion. We did an exercise in which we were required to come up with the worst piece of negative self-talk we had. Mine was: “there is something wrong with me.” And then, when we had to come up with some of its subsets, mine were “Everyone can see it,” “It ruins everything in my life,” and “I don’t know how to fix it.”
It took me back to two existential questions that I’d worked on in therapy. One was the question of whether I felt welcome in the world as a child. The other was whether I deserved anything at all. To be loved, to be cared for or appreciated at all.
What the sociopath in my life did was play on those wounds. He made me feel bigger and more confident. And he made me feel smaller and totally inadequate. He did all this because of his own narcissistic wounds, but why he did it is beside the point. The fact that those wounds existed in me was why he could do it at all.
A huge percentage of the people here on Love Fraud come from abusive backgrounds growing up. And when we talk about being damaged, that’s not just a saying. Our identities did not develop properly. We didn’t grow up with a sense of healthy entitlement, the idea that we were intrinsically valuable and deserving of compassion and support.
This sociopathic side of us is the part that was suppressed. (People on the NSP side of the spectrum have another part of their natural character suppressed.) We give up directly wanting and asking for what we want, in favor of trusting that if we’re good enough, it would be noticed and everything would work out okay for us. Unlike more direct people who go after what they want directly, we became focused on making our relationships so perfect that other people would make the decision to give us what we need. If we ask, it’s inserting ourselves into the other person’s process, not allowing them to do this naturally, because they realize how wonderful we are. It’s almost against our religion to ask. (Especially since we were well-trained as kids that our best chance to get our needs met was to make other people happy, or keep them from getting mad.)
It is not sociopathic to ask for what we want, to go after it and make it more important than what other people want, and to eliminate obstacles from our path. It is efficient. Much more efficient than being wonderful and waiting around hoping that someone else notices and rewards us.
However it is what the sociopaths can do, and we can’t. At least when we get involved with them. And that may not be true of all of us at the beginning. Some of us are somewhat assertive when we meet them. But in the polarization of roles that typically occurs when a feeling person deals with an NSP, we become more and more feeling, because we become more and more confused, hurt and inefficient in dealing with someone who has no social rules at all. And by the end, most of us have polarized out to something that looks an awful lot like borderline personality disorder — obsessed with one person who we assign all power to make us whole, capable of doing just about anything (or a lot more than our previous value system would allow) to make them supply our needs, unstable, unable to deal very well with ordinary reality, etc. And it’s not a coincidence that BPD is out at the end of the dependent spectrum of personality disorders. The sociopaths light a fire under nice, functional, garden-variety codependents and make them a thousand times worse.
And they do that, largely, by showing us their narcissistic wounds. Their neediness, their paradoxical grandiosity, their ruthlessness (which looks like strength to us), their shallow sentimentality (which looks like sensitivity to us), and their hunger for a new source (which looks like strong feelings for us). But mostly it’s their need we relate to. We get involved, one way or another, with an agreement to help them. Because we’re so good at that. It’s the way we create our sources of approval, appreciation and love. All that indirect method of getting what we need.
So the good news is this. In driving us into the most extreme expression of our wounds — please love me, please appreciate me, please recognize that I exist at all — they show us how faulty our strategies for living are. Why can they be so direct, when we can’t? As I’ve written here before, with mine, I became conscious of him winning and me losing at every decision, every crossroads of our relationship. I never even thought about winning and losing before I met him. I was always looking for a grade. How am I doing? I am loving you enough that you love me back. Am I giving you enough that you’ll give me back what I need? With him, thinking like that gradually went out the window.
But I didn’t know what to replace it with, until I worked a while on recovering. I couldn’t be like him. He was brutal, uncaring, really vicious. I didn’t want to be him. But I ultimately realized that he really did have something that I didn’t, even if I didn’t want to be just like him. He took care of himself. And I didn’t.
As I said, I had to do some therapy, and later kept working on the ideas through other studies. Learning how to take care of myself was a gradual process. When I first started trying to do it, I was both extremely defensive and still carrying some old ideas about “making” other people give me what I needed by manipulating them emotionally. It was the best skill I had. It took a while to learn how to be frank about how I felt and what I needed or wanted, and to discover that kind of honesty actually worked better. It was very scary at first to be that exposed.
Another thing that happen at the NVC weekend was that I learned that my “something wrong with me” self-talk was really about something else. It was about a lack of trust in myself. That when I looked at myself, I saw lfaults in my character and capabilities. I had no faith in my ability to carry anything through. And I think that this, too, was part of that narcissistic wound. I was discouraged from focusing on my own ideas and plans, in favor of focusing on other people’s wishes and intentions. I was essentially told that whatever I wanted and was willing to work for was no good. It didn’t fit into the objectives of the big people who had power over my life. And that idea was enforced with the kind of emotional and physical punishment that makes a big impression on a child.
So, I came to realize that my fears about becoming a sociopath were, to a great degree, the learning of that era. That if I thought my ideas were more important that I would be bad, that no one would love me, that I would be punished as a selfish girl.
Narcissistic wounds like this literally block our development as whole human beings. Whole human beings are not embarrassed about wanting things, asking for them, working for them openly, walking away from situations that don’t meet their needs, and judging those situations (and people) as bad for them. It doesn’t mean they’re not capable of loving or caring about how things come out for other people. But for them, it’s a choice. They don’t spread altruism in all directions, no matter what they get back. They’re enlightened altruists, not casting their pearls before swine.
After the sociopath, my recovery involved developing those traits that I didn’t have. Getting them out of my shadow self and into the light. Self-interest. The ability to get angry. The capacity to judge without apologies. And the entitlement to make my life what I wanted it to be. I refer to all this in a kind of fondly joking way as my inner sociopath, but it was really me all along. I just had it all twisted up inside of me, because of fear of not being loved or accepted.
If you can manage it, don’t worry about other people’s feelings of inadequacy. We all have them occasionally, and we do we tend to act them out in some way. We may think we’re hiding them, but if we’re feeling them, we’re probably acting them out. It’s just being human. Which is what they’re being. Our responsibility is to recognize these feelings in ourselves, find their sources and heal them.
That what my sociopath did for me. He made me recognize these feelings in myself and see how I was acting them out. He did it my triggering them more powerfully than anyone had ever done before, and make me act out of them more dramatically than I ever had before. Until I just had to look at myself, and say “What’s going on here?”
Namaste.
Kathy
Star, yep my Ptsd is from my family – icky.
I will try to use your perspective and meditate on your words. I will try to see others’ behavior as fearfullness, but it’s hard when they are so hateful.
You’ve given me a whole new line of thinking that I will try to follow up on. (hugs). Maybe my empathy scares them and makes them meaner. That would be a red flag, I think.