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Sociopathic confidence and conviction, even when they’re lying

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January 28, 2013 //  by Donna Andersen//  169 Comments

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Downton Abbey was on TV last night, and Terry and I are among the millions of fans. Last night’s episode (Season 3, Episode 4) ended in tragedy because of behavior that looked so familiar to me.

(Spoiler Alert: The following description gives away the story.)

Lord Grantham’s daughter, Lady Sybil, is about to give birth. Rather than depend on the local country doctor, Dr. Clarkson, Lord Grantham has imported a more socially acceptable obstetrician, Sir Philip Tapsell, to deliver the baby. As the birth approaches, both doctors are in attendance at the estate.

Lady Sybil starts acting incoherently. Dr Clarkson fears that she may be toxemic. He recommends that they rush to the hospital so the baby can be delivered immediately by C-section. Sir Philip insists that nothing is wrong—Lady Sybil is experiencing a normal childbirth. The two doctors argue in front of the entire family and the nature of the argument is why I’m describing the show.

Dr. Clarkson worries that Lady Sybil may be in grave danger, but admits that he doesn’t know for sure. Sir Philip, on the other hand, is totally confident that nothing is wrong. He never wavers. He is pompous in his confidence. He practically sneers at the country bumpkin doctor for being an alarmist, and actually tells him to shut up.

Lord Grantham notes that Dr. Clarkson isn’t sure about the possible danger, whereas Sir Philip is 100% confident that everything is fine. He sides with Sir Philip, and they do not go to the hospital.

Lady Sybil goes into labor and the baby is born. But a short time later, she goes into convulsions and dies.

Argued like a sociopath

Dr. Clarkson was right all along. But Sir Philip spoke with unshakeable self-confidence, unwaveringly certain that he knew best. He argued like a sociopath.

I am not saying that the Sir Philip character is a sociopath.  But I am saying that his extreme confidence, his self-righteousness and his hubris are all traits that sociopaths display when they are pushing to get their way.

I write about this in my book, Red Flags of Love Fraud:

How do they do it? How do sociopaths convince you to go along with their agendas, even to your own detriment?

They command it. This is a function of their charisma because they command unflinchingly, with complete self-confidence, they get results. Now, this doesn’t mean sociopaths are always barking orders. Often the commands are delivered on cushions of sweetness, or camouflaged as appeals for sympathy. But in their minds, whatever sociopaths want, they are totally entitled to have. Therefore, when they make their desires known, they show no doubt, only certainty. Compliance is demanded, and targets respond.

Those of us who are not disordered usually aren’t as adamant in expressing our views, opinions or desires. We may think we’re right, but recognize that we could be wrong. We may know what we want, but we’re willing to compromise.  So when we come across people who communicate vociferously and forcefully well, we tend to be bowled over. Because of the sheer force of their words, we tell ourselves that they must know what they’re talking about, they’re telling the truth, and they’re right.

My ex-husband’s convincing lies

I’m soon going to be on another TV show I’ll tell you all more when I have details. The producer asked me if I had any more video or audio of my ex, James Montgomery. Well, I found some tapes that I had forgotten about recordings of voice mails, and a recording of our first telephone conversation when I arrived home after leaving him. The tapes illustrate the steamroller tactics with which he argued even when he was lying.

Let me set the scene. James Montgomery swept into my life, portraying himself as a successful entrepreneur. He invited me to be part of his business plans, which, if I could help him get started, were sure to make us fabulously wealthy. He pressured me to lease a car for him it was in my name, and I made all the payments. To feed his unending need for money, I drained my savings and loaded about $60,000 in debt to my previously zero-balance credit cards.

Montgomery also told me he was a member of the Australian military who had heroically served in Vietnam, and still acted as a consultant, particularly on terrorism. He often flew to Florida, telling me he was stopping by MacDill Air Force base in Tampa, home of the Special Operations Command. While there, he was able to get around by borrowing the cars of other military members that were parked at the base.

In December 1998, Montgomery dragged me to Florida, saying he had a contract to open a Titanic show in Orlando. We spent money we didn’t have to move down there. A few weeks later Montgomery admitted he never had a contract. Then, while he was flying to yet another business meeting, I discovered that he had fathered a child with another woman during our marriage. I left Florida, and took the car that he had been driving.

So, here’s part of my conversation with James Montgomery when I was back at my home in New Jersey. (Warning: Contains some profanity.)

https://lovefraud.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/James-Montgomery-car-argument-1.mp3

Here’s what I know now that I didn’t know during the conversation. My entire marriage was a financial scam. James Montgomery was never in the military. When he travelled to Florida, he was visiting other women including, but not limited to, the mother of the child., who probably owned the car he drove.

Yet listen to how he argued about the car. I was wrong for taking the car back to New Jersey, which inconvenienced him. I was wrong about him using cars from the base. And I was stupidly ignorant about the policy for using military cars. Montgomery was adamant and self-righteous in his argument even though everything he said was a lie.

At the time, the conversation was terribly upsetting. He threw many more accusations and threats at me, which, because of the conviction of his words, made me wonder if he was right.

Later, I discovered that everything he said that day, and practically everything he said during our marriage, was a lie no matter how convincingly the words were stated.

I didn’t know someone could lie with such confidence and conviction. And that’s how I got into the entire mess.

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  1. Louise

    January 28, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Here is a great article about office affairs for anyone who is interested. It talks about how some abuse their power which happened to me. I read this in a magazine while I was on the stationary bike today.

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/advice/work-money/sex-at-work?click=cos_latest

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  2. KatyDid

    January 28, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Yeah Kim Frederick
    Doing little things so others have serendipity? It was something I fell into as a way to reconnect to my humanity. I love serendipity. A small thing but it was powerful for me, to feel like I was thwarting EVIL, esp at a time when I felt SO worth less than nothing (my husband’s phrase about me, and I had come to agree with) 🙂

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  3. MoonDancer

    January 29, 2013 at 12:06 am

    I missed that episode. she died ? oh my…

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  4. Louise

    January 29, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Yes, Sybil died! 🙁 It was awful and very unexpected…a huge twist in the plot.

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  5. lebo

    January 29, 2013 at 7:00 am

    Very powerful point about s-paths. I sometimes look at old YouTube clips of Hitler speaking in front of tens of thousands of people all in awe of him. I wonder how they could all be snowed by a madman. A large part of the answer is charisma and force behind the words. Life is often confusing and when someone comes along, as Donna points out, with confidence behind his or her words, we take notice and are inclined to believe and follow.

    My own experience was similar to the woman I now believe was at worst an s-path but at least had some kind of personality disorder, like narcissism. She could look in my face and lie with no qualms or hesitation. And her adamant assertion of things which were not true in order to be convincing to get what she wanted seemed so genuine.

    I think the s-path’s lying is tied to another topic, which might be worth an article here some time. (I haven’t seen it if it’s been written.) That topic is the s-path’s understanding of language. I truly believe that, after observing this woman I knew, that she thought that saying something made it true. Language was not about sharing things for her. Rather it was almost solely about persuasion. It was what some linguists call a “transactional” use of language: I use words in order for me to exert my will upon you. There is no other reason for them. So, in her mind, it is quite possible she was not lying, since language for her was not about truth or communication. (Although I was never physically involved with her, I learned later she had the same view of sex, when I found out that she slept with people for money and advancement. Sex was not about intimacy, but just as a means of persuasion.)

    Thanks again for the post.

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  6. rochelle

    January 29, 2013 at 7:39 am

    His voice gives me the chills. But I loved the flat affect you displayed. That was something I could never do during my relationship with my ex husband, but it’s a good skill. when they spath says something, they really believe it, which is why they are such good liars. The doctor in Downton clearly thought he was superior to the country doctor. I’m in healthcare, and there are more than enough doctors who feel that way. I’m wondering if doctors have a higher rate of sociopathy. Someone should do a study.

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  7. newlife43

    January 29, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Sigh…been there, done that. (re: your conversation with your ex-spath).

    Sorry you had to go through it, Donna. Sorry for everyone who has had to suffer at the hands of a sociopath. We deserved better.

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  8. Donna Andersen

    January 29, 2013 at 8:10 am

    lebo – my ex was very proud of his “skill with words.”

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  9. DawnG

    January 29, 2013 at 8:58 am

    “skill with words”

    I’m ashamed to admit that my ex was a blathering idiot. When I met him I thought he had some basic intelligence, at least when it came to his job and a couple of subjects he seemed interested in as hobbies. It wasn’t all that long before he was literally making up words to try to impress me, and even to compete with me. When it was all said and done I was pretty confident that he was functionally illiterate, but he knew how to ‘fake it’ to a certain degree.

    I don’t know why I was so forgiving. I guess I accepted that he wasn’t all that smart, and that it was ok for him not to be as intelligent as I am.

    But he really was just a flipping idiot.

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  10. darwinsmom

    January 29, 2013 at 9:01 am

    rochelle –

    actually a few months ago there was an article about psychopaths in the professional world in a Belgian paper. Their source was “‘The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success’ by Kevin Dutton.

    Not surprisingly some type of jobs attract more psychopaths than other jobs and it included a list of a top 10 list for having the most psychopaths versus a top 10 list of least psychopaths.

    So the top 10 was:

    CEO
    Lawyer
    Media (TV/Radio)
    Sales
    Surgeon
    Journalist
    Police
    Priest/Pastor
    Chef-cook
    Civil servant

    The top 10 of the least psychopaths was

    Caregiver
    Nurse
    Therapist
    Craftsmen
    Beauticians
    Charity workerr
    Teacher
    Artist
    Doctor
    Accountant

    Of course no field is withouth them, but there are less in the jobs that require giving a lot of yourself for not that great a social status and money. The glamour jobs that implicate pyramid hierarchy and ultimate power are the favourite fields of spaths.

    (the Belgian source, in Dutch)
    http://www.jobat.be/nl/artikels/10-jobs-met-de-meeste-psychopaten/

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