(The article below is copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not meant to imply that females aren’t capable of exhibiting the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
What does it mean to say that someone has sociopathic tendencies, versus full-blown sociopathy, and does the difference even matter?
The simple answer is that someone with sociopathic tendencies will exhibit sociopathic behaviors and attitudes sometimes, while elsewhere he may seem to possess (and, in fact, may possess) a somewhat genuine (if limited and unreliable) capacity and desire to respect others.
In contrast, the full-blown sociopath’s respect for others, when apparently evident, is never really deeply genuine, but rather driven more by expediency or, more specifically, by the lack of any immediate opportunity to benefit from disrespecting or exploiting others.
Another way to say it is that the full-blown sociopath will almost always capitalize on perceived opportunities to exploit others for his own gain, whereas an individual with “sociopath tendencies” is likely to be somewhat less predictably exploitive in his interpersonal relationships.
In my experience, to identify that you are involved with a partial versus full-blown sociopath is not grounds for optimism. So long as sociopathic tendencies are present, their “quantity” seems to me to matter little. In the end, the individual’s prognosis is the same—hopeless. He is no less treatable or curable for the comparatively inconstant expression of his sociopathy.
In some respects it may be more disconcerting to be involved with a partial sociopath than a full-blown one. This is because the partial sociopath’s seeming capacity to be a “real,” sometimes (if selectively) attached human being can serve as a sort of tease—one finds the seemingly less exploitive aspect of his nature even more confusingly impossible to reconcile with the more exploitive one. One seizes on his capacity for “selective humanity,” misjudging it for his potential for ongoing, reliable empathy and respect for others.
Of course this is a pipe-dream, because the partial sociopath’s capacity for “sensitivity,” perhaps even for certain forms of loyalty, is ever-presently compromised by the underlying tug, and ultimate grip, of his underlying sociopathic orientation. He will inevitably, with utter certainty, drift back into his more exploitive mode and exhibit again, at some point in time, the shocking markers of his sociopathy—his defects of empathy in the context of his audaciously violating behaviors.
I want to stress this very carefully: to the extent that someone has sociopathic tendencies, implying that his sociopathy doesn’t necessarily encompass his “whole character” (as in the case of the full-blown sociopath), this is something like comparing two very dangerous, ultimately untreatable cancerous malignancies—the first hasn’t perhaps “metastasized” fully, but is definitely malignant with absolutely no cure and no chance of meaningful remission; whereas the latter shows perhaps evidence of a global invasion, i.e. “sociopathy run uncontrollably wild.”
I’ve worked for several years with a client I regard as having clear-cut sociopathic tendencies and find her to be among the more baffling clients I’ve worked with. There is the strangest, most jarring mix of humanity in her personality, a capacity for generosity, yet alternating with a historical pattern of cunning, lying behaviors and a chilling capacity to comfortably disown remarkable abdications of responsibility.
She has exhibited these dizzying, confusing qualities in her relationship with me. She has lied to my face countless times and produced fantastic, absurd, and obviously specious explanations for behaviors that someone fully unsociopathic would feel anxious and embarrassed to assert. When confronted with her dissimulation, she conveys (and seems to feel) little to no shame, just the knee-jerk inclination to perpetuate and elaborate the deceptions.
She is opportunistic and someone who has “worked the system” in a variety of unethical ways. Ultimately she lacks either the willingness, or capacity, to truly own the varieties of ethically dubious, sometimes alarmingly irresponsible behaviors that continue to sabotage her otherwise seemingly considerable potential.
She is a complex person, a very attractive and seductive individual, and I believe she possesses a dimension within her characterized by seemingly real generosity. At the same time, she can be shamelessly manipulative and deceptive, and can be “counted on” ultimately to be only “unreliable.” She seems destined to leave those in her life periodically stunned by the betrayal of their faith and trust in her.
She will never change. There is a sociopathic element in her character that I believes explains these patterns and that leaves her, in my view, permanently untrustworthy.
I’m interested in readers’ feedback on this subject.
Star:
Matt addresses the boyfriend in the “Revisiting Prevailing Myths about Sociopaths” thread.
Skylar- I’m a bit confused by your comment…” I have to add though, that there are still some debatable topics here. For example, what about the borderlines and narcissists who do eventually “grow up” and become more compassionate?”
In all the research I have done about NPD, none of it suggested that the narcissist will grow up and become more compassionate. If anything, they get worse with age because they get desperate.
I guess that’s what you meant by, “debatable topic”. lol
I really am interested in your theory in this. One of my biggest frustrations and heartaches has been the recurring thought or belief that my ex narc/spath matured and treats his wife wonderful. It is a trigger for me because I was treated so badly by him and I felt like his only victim for the longest time. I couldn’t understand why I was the one he chose to treat this way and no one else.
I am still working on getting past that. And, for the most part, I feel pretty good. But when I saw your comment, it sent me back to questioning everything again.
Sisterhood,
In theory you are right, but God has seen fit to “fix” some people. I know a few. One is an old man, who was an abusive narcissist and he has most certainly changed. He works hard to be a good person and to do it sincerely. Others are people who post here who say they have worked hard to heal though they were at one time diagnosed as BPD. Another is a therapist, I think her name is Marsha Linehan. She was BPD, has struggled and has mostly healed and has created one of the few therapies that actually works on BPD. It’s called dialectical behavior therapy.
Actually, it shouldn’t be surprising that people who want to heal and work at it, are able to. What is surprising is how few of them want to, despite the disaster that there own lives are.
I guess the debatable part is whether those people had the same disorder as those who choose not to heal or if maybe it just wasn’t as far gone. Or maybe there is another factor: God. I know that belief in a higher power is a sign of humility. Maybe that little bit of humility is enough to spark the healing under the right conditions.
Edit: I just realized I didn’t address your issue: that he might treat the next wife better.
All I know is that I waited 25 years for my spath to treat me well and perhaps even marry me. But if I was to learn that he was healed, I would be grateful because that means he is not out raping children and killing people anymore. Don’t imagine that someone who has been evil can heal without a tremendous amount of pain first. It is that pain that makes them so resistant to wanting to heal.
I’m fairly certain that if your exspath was to heal enough to treat his wife better than he treated you, he would concurrently experience terrible remorse for how he treated you.
Well my exspath actually does believe in God and Heaven and Hell, I’m pretty sure, but it has not made a wit of difference. He is still evil and I’m not holding my breath that he will heal.
Sisterhood, He is not treating her any better than he treated you. When you are married to a narcissistic jerk you are only supply, and to rub salt into the wound, you are not even primary supply, you are secondary supply….you are back-up supply, just in case primary supply doesn’t come through. Primary supply are the targets that haven’t gotten past the idealization phase….they still see the narcissist as he wants them to…he is ideal, perfect, fetching, a hero, God-like, even. These are the people he wants to surround himself with, because they are simply willing props in his fantasy world. He WILL keep you on the back burner for a rainy day, however.
His new woman is now secondary supply. She is now the one on the back burner, and will be, as long as he keeps her there, or until she chooses not to be.
They repeat this cycle over and over again.
Seems so clear having read your words, Steve. As a man who’s spent the last five years studying this very thing in my own life – a repetitious pattern throughout adulthood with roots deeply set in childhood – i’ve only recently accepted the truth you’ve written here. Perhaps occasional seeming generosity is genuine on their part. Or perhaps they’ve simply learned it’s a useful behavior for cultivating, disarming, and undermining other’s natural protective instincts. In any event, reading your words reenforces the lesson for me. Much needed, thank you.
Stargazer:
Good to hear from you. Yes, I did meet a really great guy. But, after 3 1/2 years we’re in the middle of a pretty rough patch. He was supposed to have relocated to DC by now. I’m beginning to realize that this may not happen and in the spirit of compromise I don’t think he’s willing to move into Manhattan from some god forsaken part of Queens which would cut an hour off our weekly trips back and forth. I love him, but I can’t keep my life in the holding pattern its been in for the last 2 1/2 years. So, I’ve told him that I have to begin to create a life for myself down here. He’s welcome to join it, but I’m done waiting.
Tonight I went to a meeting of a gay ski group. Met a lot of nice guys who live down here and many like me who have relocated down here the last few years. So, I think I’ve found one new activity to get involved with. When I came home my other half had arrived from NY. I told him about the evening and the fact that there were others like him who were not skiers or beginners so he wouldn’t be alone on the slopes. I got some sort of agreement from him, but, like I said in my other post, I’m no longer defining my life by his whims or wishes. This is something I want to do, indeed need to do for myself and it’s up to him to decide to participate. Bottom line is 2 1/2 years of commuting every weekend has pushed me into the corner and I finally decided to come out swinging. Don’t know where things will end up, but I have to say that I so enjoyed meeting new people tonight who share the same interest I do, that I think a line has been drawn in the sane.
OxDrover – it’s funny, but after this experience I found myself thinking today that I need to read “Snakes in Suits.” I got home and heard my text messaging ping. Guess who the email was from, wanting to know all about a person I had met for drinks last night and telling me about his plans for the weekend. All I could do was laugh. I thought “I have been trying to get you to return a call for 3 days and now you pull a sneak attack through texting.” I didn’t even respond.
I agree with your categorizations. I also agree with your advice on how to handle this person. I’ve been around long enough to know exactly how this one’s career trajectory is going to go – he’s well enough connected that I’m sure he’ll advance nicely. Since I don’t think he’s all that bright I’m sure his rabbis will make sure that he stays one step of impending disasters. My goal is to stay out of the orbit of those disasters.
Skylar, BPDs and NPDs that are full blown do not “grow up” and become FUNCTIONAL people…they MAY “rowdy on down”some but for all practical purposes a rattle snake is a rattle snake…and it is gonna stay one. There may be and I say MAY BE some lower level people with BPD tendencies or NPD tendencies who are not fully blown that may learn better ways of acting, but I am not going to take one home for a pet in any case. I am staying the heck away from TOXIC people whatever you want to call them or whatever level of toxic they are. I am going to associate with good, kind, caring, compassionate and honest folks…no one else need apply.
Oxy, I agree completely with you. But consider Marsha Linehan. She was BPD. She’s now the leading therapist for that.
Not saying I would take her home either, just saying that I have seen change. And I cannot explain it either.
I’m not ever going to count on it though. If it happens it will have nothing to do with me and it’s between them and God. My job is to take care of ME.
Good point of view, Sky, absolutely. Just as there are high functioning autistics, Temple Granlin is a perfect example, there are “levels” (for lack oif a better term) of people with psychopathic traits, and with BPD traits and so on….there is the narcissistic person who will eat the last piece of cake knowing you haen’t had any, and that’s pretty crappy, but not enough to send them to prison for…but there are also the Ns who will eat all they can hold and then flush the last piece of cake down the disposal JUST SO YOU CAN’T HAVE ANY. Big difference in attitude there. LOL
Oxy,
LOL!
yeah, there’s nothing to be done. I’ll just take advice from my favorite band, Rush, in the song “wish them well”
“Thank your stars you’re not that way, turn your back and walk away. Don’t even bother asking why, turn around and say goodbye.”
I love Rush.