(The article below is copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not meant to imply that females aren’t capable of exhibiting the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
What does it mean to say that someone has sociopathic tendencies, versus full-blown sociopathy, and does the difference even matter?
The simple answer is that someone with sociopathic tendencies will exhibit sociopathic behaviors and attitudes sometimes, while elsewhere he may seem to possess (and, in fact, may possess) a somewhat genuine (if limited and unreliable) capacity and desire to respect others.
In contrast, the full-blown sociopath’s respect for others, when apparently evident, is never really deeply genuine, but rather driven more by expediency or, more specifically, by the lack of any immediate opportunity to benefit from disrespecting or exploiting others.
Another way to say it is that the full-blown sociopath will almost always capitalize on perceived opportunities to exploit others for his own gain, whereas an individual with “sociopath tendencies” is likely to be somewhat less predictably exploitive in his interpersonal relationships.
In my experience, to identify that you are involved with a partial versus full-blown sociopath is not grounds for optimism. So long as sociopathic tendencies are present, their “quantity” seems to me to matter little. In the end, the individual’s prognosis is the same—hopeless. He is no less treatable or curable for the comparatively inconstant expression of his sociopathy.
In some respects it may be more disconcerting to be involved with a partial sociopath than a full-blown one. This is because the partial sociopath’s seeming capacity to be a “real,” sometimes (if selectively) attached human being can serve as a sort of tease—one finds the seemingly less exploitive aspect of his nature even more confusingly impossible to reconcile with the more exploitive one. One seizes on his capacity for “selective humanity,” misjudging it for his potential for ongoing, reliable empathy and respect for others.
Of course this is a pipe-dream, because the partial sociopath’s capacity for “sensitivity,” perhaps even for certain forms of loyalty, is ever-presently compromised by the underlying tug, and ultimate grip, of his underlying sociopathic orientation. He will inevitably, with utter certainty, drift back into his more exploitive mode and exhibit again, at some point in time, the shocking markers of his sociopathy—his defects of empathy in the context of his audaciously violating behaviors.
I want to stress this very carefully: to the extent that someone has sociopathic tendencies, implying that his sociopathy doesn’t necessarily encompass his “whole character” (as in the case of the full-blown sociopath), this is something like comparing two very dangerous, ultimately untreatable cancerous malignancies—the first hasn’t perhaps “metastasized” fully, but is definitely malignant with absolutely no cure and no chance of meaningful remission; whereas the latter shows perhaps evidence of a global invasion, i.e. “sociopathy run uncontrollably wild.”
I’ve worked for several years with a client I regard as having clear-cut sociopathic tendencies and find her to be among the more baffling clients I’ve worked with. There is the strangest, most jarring mix of humanity in her personality, a capacity for generosity, yet alternating with a historical pattern of cunning, lying behaviors and a chilling capacity to comfortably disown remarkable abdications of responsibility.
She has exhibited these dizzying, confusing qualities in her relationship with me. She has lied to my face countless times and produced fantastic, absurd, and obviously specious explanations for behaviors that someone fully unsociopathic would feel anxious and embarrassed to assert. When confronted with her dissimulation, she conveys (and seems to feel) little to no shame, just the knee-jerk inclination to perpetuate and elaborate the deceptions.
She is opportunistic and someone who has “worked the system” in a variety of unethical ways. Ultimately she lacks either the willingness, or capacity, to truly own the varieties of ethically dubious, sometimes alarmingly irresponsible behaviors that continue to sabotage her otherwise seemingly considerable potential.
She is a complex person, a very attractive and seductive individual, and I believe she possesses a dimension within her characterized by seemingly real generosity. At the same time, she can be shamelessly manipulative and deceptive, and can be “counted on” ultimately to be only “unreliable.” She seems destined to leave those in her life periodically stunned by the betrayal of their faith and trust in her.
She will never change. There is a sociopathic element in her character that I believes explains these patterns and that leaves her, in my view, permanently untrustworthy.
I’m interested in readers’ feedback on this subject.
Skylar, you said
“We were involved with a disordered person because of our own narcissism. Our own emotionally arrested issues. That issue being the need to rescue, fix, save and take responsibility for an adult who should have been doing it themselves.
We were acting from old programming from our childhood where we were taught that we should make everyone happy, then we would be loved in return. puke. ”
And Kim, you said:
“The difference is, I think, that an emotionally healthy person exits the relationship”.someone with issues, stays, and tries to fix the problem, thinking they somehow have the magic fix, and will eventually succeed. Trauma bond, par excellance. ”
AMEN to you both on this—the person who is HEALTHY has BOUNDARIES and those of us who stayed and tried to “FIX” the relation-shit arrogantly thought that we had the POWER to fix someone else. LOL I have to agree with Sky, that thinking we have so much power we can fix someone else, tell them and GET them to change how they act and what they are….LOL
Now, I realize I have to work very hard at fixing myself, changing myself and my own way of thinking and acting and it is a BIG job and one I have to do a great deal of work to accomplish even a little progress. LOL It’s amazing though how much more time and energy I have to devote to GOOD things in my life now that I am not spending all my time and energy trying to fix the unfixable.
A note to Louise: You are in love with the man you thought he was & addicted to the relationship because you want to make it right with all your power. You want it to be the relationship you thought it was. When I let go of that. Oh & it took a very very long time. When I realized that Neil was an EMPTY BOAT (i just love that term). The relationship wasn’t what I thought it was. For I was the lone passenger STRANDED on that empty boat. I began to search for a life vest & had to jump head first out of that boat. He wasn’t who he wanted me to think he was. I realized
1. HE WAS NOT MY SOULMATE, HE WAS A FAKE.
2. HE DIDN’T LOVE ME,
3. HE STOLE EVERYTHING WITHOUT REMORSE,
4. HE WAS TRYING TO HAVE ME INCARCERATED FOR INSANITY.
5. HE USED ME & DESTROYED ME WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT.
6. HE WAS EVIL THROUGH & THROUGH.
7. HOW COULD I POSSIBLY LOVE SOMEONE WHO DID THAT TO ME. IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE THAT I LOVED. THE PERSON HE WANTED ME TO THINK HE WAS THAT’S WHO I LOVED BUT THAT PERSON DIDN’T EXIST & NEVER HAD.
Nothing I knew to be true was true! I was in love with a fairy tale spun by a master who used everything he knew about me against me for his financial gain & to keep me in his web. Yes there were red flags from our first meeting. I now know who the devil is. I met him, opened the door & let him come in. He slept in my house & dined at my table. He is a pscyhopath & will fool you to get what he wants when he wants it. He has no remorse, no empathy, no moral compass. He is subhuman. Nothing but an empty boat.
Honor your feelings for they were true but understand they were about something that you couldn’t know really didn’t existed. You were manipulated by the spath so you would feel that way. How could you know? He wouldn’t let you know until it was time to show his real self. Game over. He got what he was after or all he could get. He probably knows he can’t go further because you the resource had run out, or, you had to finally cave & let him know you were on to him or both. From that moment he was controlling his exit. The scenario was a lie. His love was a lie. Use your love on better things. Things that are real. You deserve it. You did not deserve to be duped. None of us did. It happened. & it pisses me off. But it happened. I try to think to myself not why did it happen to me?? But why not? Stuff happens to all sorts of people all over the place all of the time. This won’t happen to you OR me OR any of us here hopefully, again. I’m starting there”. join me? xoxo Lillian
OxD, very profound and insightful. “…trying to fix the unfixable” is a part of my own acceptance of my own limitations. I’m limited to only fixing ME. That’s it. That’s all. And, no amount of “love” or “tolerance” in the world is going to fix what ails a “bad person.”
It was my faulty belief that, if I demonstrated enough love and encouragement, that “love” would be reciprocated in appreciation FOR that love and encouragement. If I believed in someone’s potential, enough, and encouraged that person to reach that potential and personal healing, I would be of value to that person. What type of pretzel logic is THAT?!?!?!
Finally, I “get it” about this distorted line of thinking. I was raised to believe this and it simply isn’t true.
OxD, I loved the discussion of DNA and the dogs. There’s a lot to learn on a farm and in working with livestock and critters. They don’t lie because they can’t. They are what they are, and we can peg their bloodlines. Spaths CAN lie and pegging them for what they are is an exercise in observation-over-time.
Brightest blessings
Lillian:
Thank you! So true! I could have never said it better (as I am not nearly as good with words as you are!!). This was PERFECT. I am saving it and going to read it over and over until it totally sinks into my brain and into my being.
HUGS and have the happiest birthday ever!
Truthy, most of what I have learned I have learned from animals and children. What I have learned out of books only adds to what I’ve learned from the kids and the critters.
I spent yesterday with an old man who has forgotten more about training animals than I will ever know…he is getting feeble now physically but he has every marble he ever had. My son D and I spent the day with him, working on fixing a wagon box he is building. Sitting in the fall sunshine with a litter of young Border Collie pups playing at our feet, and an old feeble and jealous Jack Russell terrier trying to assert dominance over the pups (and failing miserably) LOL and just talking about dog training and dogs we’d had, and hoped to have…and relaxing. It was one of the best day’s I’ve spent in a long time.
When we left, we brought home another young donkey (ass)…that makes us four…2 mammoth and 2 minature. Fat Ass, Hairy Ass, Jack Ass and think we will call this one Bad Ass. LOL
Ox Drover
Thanks for the mon morning laugh as I am a big animal person.
Love the asses
Lillian
I love the 3 types of people concept. I’m going to remember it.
Lillian
Thank you for your post….another reminder of the reality of my relationship with the psychopath.
Your writing about what i exierienced is so true, it should be posted as a Love Fraud letter.
Thank you
Snow
So many wonderful comments and insightful responses to the article.
LILLIAN – very well said – all my thoughts and feelings – you found a way to put into words.
As some here know , my Ex’s G/F is right next door.
We were outside at the same time last night and she felt the need to make an announcement :
“I am sooooo glad you are leaving !!! As soon as you leave – he will be right here with me! “”
Our family home may have a contract on it so I am finally escaping my current living situation – maybe. We will only be going around the corner -to the house N built for himself 11 years ago behind my back , but at least I don’t have to see her every day and have her report my every move to wonder boy.
So – my point is – SHE FEELS VICTORY IS HERS!!!!!!!!
We separated 4 1/2 years ago – they are together at least that long after on and off affairs
Me and the kids will be leaving our home – so she gets to stay where she is – another victory !!!!
And I guess she feels he will move in with her – and maybe he will. The only thing holding him back may be our son – who at 14 insists he CANNOT/will not live with her and her daughter – even if it is only parenting time. Even the N says he can’t live with the daughter – he can only tolerate her for a few hours at a time. She is a copy of her mom – attention whore, breasts out, lots of boys around and on her own a lot – only 18. Frankly, outside of sex and financial gain I don’t think N much cares for his G/F either.
Anyway – it seems she is in love and loving her victory !!!
What kind of woman is this ???? KARMA- she should heed her own words because from what I have learned – she is now set on the path I was on and will reap her own rewards.
Sure – he went to Disney to see her daughter get married. HE HATES DISNEY !!!
Sure – he works on her house in front of my kids while ours is in disrepair – he owed her $50,000.00.
Sure – he sees her 4 0r 5 few nights a week – steady N supply, sex, maybe a few meals , maybe a little house cleaning – N doesn’t like to be alone all the time.
Sure – he fixes her car – what a heroe !!!!
Yes- he guides her with advice and his business acumen – forgetting to tell her how his “acumen” pretty much cost us everything. It was all built on loans – not much equity and the down real estate market finished him off – along with me and the kids.
He did all these things for me and more – in the beginning. And even when he had to reel me back in – but none of it was real . I know that now.
He is everything Lillian described but it took me 22 years to put it all together.
Her victory may just be her end !!!!
Lillian, Skylar and OxD,
I did the work on my narcisistic quality of belief I could “fix” what was obviously wrong in my first highschool love over the next 18 years. I went to counseling and grew stronger. Started my own business and bought my own home and got smarter and finally ended it for good knowing I was not what he needed nor was he what I needed and even though he tried to show me change, a dog is a dog not a cat, a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots and God knows I tried.
So we split up and 5 months later he came to my door after we had spoken earlier in the day on good terms and was high on drugs and drink for the first time in two years. He beat the hell out of me and I was taken away by an ambulence not knowing anything anymore but that I knew nothing in this life. I walked in a fog for over a year after surviving that. I picked up some pieces and when I wasn’t recovered but knew better, I allowed a younger man in “so I wasn’t alone for the holidays” and we discussed it this way. (way out of character for me but I was pretty much walking around out of character for that past year) It was all out in the open and he was good lookin. love bombing, wondering why I wasn’t falling in love, screamin “you gave it all to him and there’s nothin left for me”! (say what??? I thought we had a deal! Holidays and out! Even laughed with my male friends about having a “boytoy” and he was cute and they do it all the time. Why can’t I? Cause I’m a friggin spath magnet.)and crazier than I had ever KNOWN! I have a child by him from that little window of time and it’s 14 years later! I have almost lost everything from this holy terror psycho. He’s threatened the most horrid trash but I saw the red flags. I even put his stuff out on the doorstep thinking I was seeing things in time. Except that pregnancy card.
Don’t let anyone in without making sure you are very balanced after this type of injury or you might find you were still more naive then you knew. AND DON”T EVER SAY “THINGS CAN’T GET ANY WORSE”. Be thankful every day for the lessons you have gotten and that they weren’t any worse than they were. I thank God for the blessings even when I cry and hear my head say “I hate my life”. I hope and pray for recovery for my daughters sake. I am really F’g tired!
Some of these spaths only need a day to destroy you. I saw a woman just like me who met a guy online dating on the “I survived” show. It’s some scary stuff.
If one person avoids disaster from my words or thinks twice and dodges a spath from me telling how it went then it’s worth it though it feels wrong to tell……….
I actually am thinking about Christmas in advance this year so some things good are creeping back ever so slowly.
I have to say for me, the long term abusive relationshit I thought was first love could survive all blah blah, was not as bad as the current encor of the family courts marathon of brutality blowing my mind and scaring the absolute crap out of me and showing just how much my child is THERES NOT MINE! What a rude awakening! I thought they only took your child under their control if you did something WRONG but guess what? Wrong again…. When I was done and tired it didn’t stop. When I ran out of money, it didn’t stop. When daughter became suicidal, it didn’t stop. When I moved he found us even though his parole said “no contact” of course family court ignores that because it’s just mind bending spath gang terrorism and abuse. Terrorist spath was rested from prison and had nothing on his schedule getting out but terrorizing me for my accidental candid letter of rejection in response to his first letter in years from his prison cell. I had no idea what he knew he could do to me and boy did he do it up. Nothing worse than a bunch of angry men in prison plotting against mean ol me who wasn’t gonna take him in and telling him to move on from “his daughter”!! . It became a gang attack between me, him, AZ DOC, their clergy, jailhouse lawyers, and his crooked phony pastor out here. I was schooled. It’s been brutal and it’s seems very illegal but not many can believe it is what it is……Nobody even knows that billions of tax dollars are going to these federally funded prison programs to put these men and women into their childrens lives. There will be much carniage before they admit these programs aren’t working.