(The article below is copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not meant to imply that females aren’t capable of exhibiting the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
What does it mean to say that someone has sociopathic tendencies, versus full-blown sociopathy, and does the difference even matter?
The simple answer is that someone with sociopathic tendencies will exhibit sociopathic behaviors and attitudes sometimes, while elsewhere he may seem to possess (and, in fact, may possess) a somewhat genuine (if limited and unreliable) capacity and desire to respect others.
In contrast, the full-blown sociopath’s respect for others, when apparently evident, is never really deeply genuine, but rather driven more by expediency or, more specifically, by the lack of any immediate opportunity to benefit from disrespecting or exploiting others.
Another way to say it is that the full-blown sociopath will almost always capitalize on perceived opportunities to exploit others for his own gain, whereas an individual with “sociopath tendencies” is likely to be somewhat less predictably exploitive in his interpersonal relationships.
In my experience, to identify that you are involved with a partial versus full-blown sociopath is not grounds for optimism. So long as sociopathic tendencies are present, their “quantity” seems to me to matter little. In the end, the individual’s prognosis is the same—hopeless. He is no less treatable or curable for the comparatively inconstant expression of his sociopathy.
In some respects it may be more disconcerting to be involved with a partial sociopath than a full-blown one. This is because the partial sociopath’s seeming capacity to be a “real,” sometimes (if selectively) attached human being can serve as a sort of tease—one finds the seemingly less exploitive aspect of his nature even more confusingly impossible to reconcile with the more exploitive one. One seizes on his capacity for “selective humanity,” misjudging it for his potential for ongoing, reliable empathy and respect for others.
Of course this is a pipe-dream, because the partial sociopath’s capacity for “sensitivity,” perhaps even for certain forms of loyalty, is ever-presently compromised by the underlying tug, and ultimate grip, of his underlying sociopathic orientation. He will inevitably, with utter certainty, drift back into his more exploitive mode and exhibit again, at some point in time, the shocking markers of his sociopathy—his defects of empathy in the context of his audaciously violating behaviors.
I want to stress this very carefully: to the extent that someone has sociopathic tendencies, implying that his sociopathy doesn’t necessarily encompass his “whole character” (as in the case of the full-blown sociopath), this is something like comparing two very dangerous, ultimately untreatable cancerous malignancies—the first hasn’t perhaps “metastasized” fully, but is definitely malignant with absolutely no cure and no chance of meaningful remission; whereas the latter shows perhaps evidence of a global invasion, i.e. “sociopathy run uncontrollably wild.”
I’ve worked for several years with a client I regard as having clear-cut sociopathic tendencies and find her to be among the more baffling clients I’ve worked with. There is the strangest, most jarring mix of humanity in her personality, a capacity for generosity, yet alternating with a historical pattern of cunning, lying behaviors and a chilling capacity to comfortably disown remarkable abdications of responsibility.
She has exhibited these dizzying, confusing qualities in her relationship with me. She has lied to my face countless times and produced fantastic, absurd, and obviously specious explanations for behaviors that someone fully unsociopathic would feel anxious and embarrassed to assert. When confronted with her dissimulation, she conveys (and seems to feel) little to no shame, just the knee-jerk inclination to perpetuate and elaborate the deceptions.
She is opportunistic and someone who has “worked the system” in a variety of unethical ways. Ultimately she lacks either the willingness, or capacity, to truly own the varieties of ethically dubious, sometimes alarmingly irresponsible behaviors that continue to sabotage her otherwise seemingly considerable potential.
She is a complex person, a very attractive and seductive individual, and I believe she possesses a dimension within her characterized by seemingly real generosity. At the same time, she can be shamelessly manipulative and deceptive, and can be “counted on” ultimately to be only “unreliable.” She seems destined to leave those in her life periodically stunned by the betrayal of their faith and trust in her.
She will never change. There is a sociopathic element in her character that I believes explains these patterns and that leaves her, in my view, permanently untrustworthy.
I’m interested in readers’ feedback on this subject.
I am so devastated by my encounter. After all the devastation I still want her to come home. This was never really home to her, right?
Anne
I watched that movie just recently – the one about Rebecca – with Lawrence Olivier – it was from the late 1940s – Rebecca never even appeared in the firm, but wow, what a great movie about a spath and the aftermath.
Garfy4321, you’re probably experiencing cog/dis, or maybe PTSD. It was a con all along. You are right. It was never home to her. Count your blessings.
Athena
@Stever Becker,
I don’t think you’ve given us enough information here to be able to comment properly. My first question would be, what is the purpose of her being in therapy with you? From what you’ve described, she’s got to be using you in some fashion or another. I’d be willing to bet the farm that she is, in some way, taking advantage of your statement on the other thread, that you believe that most psychopaths are male. You’re leaving her, and every female psychopath/sociopath, an open barn door’s worth of opportunity to expoit your belief. I think that belief is misguided and ill-informed, even though it seems to be the prevaliing opinion by most.
There could be any number, or combination, of reasons she’s seeing you other than ‘therapy’. Is she paying for this? Is it mandated somehow by someone else (even by a family member or love interest who has said that the conditions for the relationship continuing is that she get therapy)? Is she using you for ‘cover’? Is she independantly wealthy, and could she be seeing you simply for the pleasure of toying with you psychologically; are you simply ‘interesting’ to her? Do you suspect that she is sexually attracted to you?
Also, have you ever stepped into the position of viewing her as a potential full-on psychopath, and attempted to interact with her that way? I find it puzzling that, after several years of therapy, you’ve seen ample evidence of her lying, but didn’t mention seeing her fangs. Because I’m pretty certain that she has big ones. Predatory women, or at least the good-looking ones in my experience, string men along by using their feminine wiles and sexuality. As long as men keep responding the claws and fangs never need to come out. If you want to ‘test’ this, just stop responding to her looks and wiles and see what happens.
But, fair warning here, be prepared. Don’t remember which movie/book this came from, but I think the quote is appropriate here: “Be afraid. Be very afraid.”
Thanks Athena, and Babs. I’m definitely going to look for that book and movie now. I love old movies from the 40’s, so can’t believe I’ve never come across it before.
Annie and Babs,
your point is well made.
If they are successful, they aren’t considered spaths, they are heroes. Bernie Madoff for example. It wasn’t until his ponzi scheme collapsed due to the collapsing economy, that he got caught and made into the scapegoat. Before that, he was loved by so many.
Not saying he was innocent, often times the scapegoat is actually guilty, but he is laden with all the sins of all the guilty ones.
Personally, I think our entire economy is a ponzi scheme.
Sandusky is another example.
It’s unfortunate that the media doesn’t take the opportunity to report the grooming and manipulating behavior that lead to the actual crimes. Shining light on their tactics is an imperative because they can’t change but we can.
Eralyn, You’re welcome! Your story is horrifying. If I’ve been able to help in the slightest, I’m glad. I know how hard it is to recover, to decide to pull yourself from your bootstraps and try to live normally. I still struggle with it.
Hey Slim, I’d love to write articles but I need to focus on the real world right now. I’m trying to get the cabin fixed and it is a very slow process.
Garfy, welcome. You are going to be ok. Read and learn, take time to heal. She wasn’t even real.
Hi Athena!
Annie, i’m sorry that my initial response to your concerns didn’t satisfy you more fully, despite your referenced appreciation for my putting my gender pronoun disclaimer at the top of my articles.
I beg to differ with you in this regard–you seem to have some presupposed assumption that I rule-out, or greatly minimize the female potential for exploitive behaviors? Based on my use of male gender pronouns in my articles for convenience purposes, despite disclaimers that accompany every one of my articles?
I’m sorry, Annie. I’ve worked with many female exploiters. I recognize their existence. Numerically, in my own experience, I find there are more male exploiters than females. This doesn’t distract me from recognizing a female exploiter when I see one. I can assure you of that.
Regarding the client I discussed briefly in my last article, instead of seeing that as an instance of my recognizing and elaborating a description of an exploitive side of a female, which might have actually satisfied your criticism that I’m at risk of being oblivious to them, you focus on the angle that perhaps she’s exploiting me? Perhaps she is. But that wasn’t the function of my discussion, to establish her motives in seeking counseling with me. I had a different purpose in discussing that case.
The article was about “partial” versus “full-blown” sociopaths, not a clinical analysis of her particular motives in being in counseling with me.
Steve,
With respect, I’m doing no such thing (“you seem to have some presupposed assumption that I rule-out, or greatly minimize the female potential for exploitive behaviors”)
I’m responding to two specific things – neither of which are my assumptions: one of which is your (almost) exclusive use of the male pronoun when describing sociopaths; the other was to your own words:
At a bare minimum, you have told us in your own words that you believe that most (“a disproportionate number”) sociopaths are male, based not on empirical science but on your own clinical experience.
I can well imagine that, in your clinical experience, that is your observation. However, having started out with a particular POV, it would be fair to say that you might be expected to build up a practice that accords with your own comfort level and your expectations, as does any professional. However, I know of several mental health professionals who would be more than comfortable telling you that in their clinical practice they see the opposite.
However, that really shouldn’t be the point. If psychopathy, or sociopathy, or heart disease, or cancer, can impact both genders, regardless of what we believe about the numbers, it does no good to concentrate on only the preceived majority. It used to be believed – strongly – that only men suffered from heart disease. It was every physician’s clinical experience AND the accepted ‘truth’. We now know that the reality is far different, more women die of heart disease than men, it’s just that we didn’t know how to recognize the disease in the other group.
What’s important here, imo, is that everyone understand how to recognize and deal with it, no matter what guise it takes: straight, gay, transgendered, male, female, young, old, whatever.
Let me leave you with two quotes:
hmmm oh my
My thoughts exactly.
About the spaths being struck dumb by the impication that you might have a valid critisism of them, and how easy it is to torture them by NOT telling them what it is….Yes, I agree.
My X would shame me for any little thing he could find. I would go out of my way not to shame him. If he made a wrong turn, I would say, “oh, it’s no big deal.” If he left his wallet at home, or locked us out of the house, I would say, “well, it’s okay…just go back and get it”, or,” I’ll call so and so, he’s got a key”….but, any mistake I made was pure stupid. When I finally got wise to him, I told him the only thing I ever fought with him about was the way he treated me. And then I played that song by Fleetwood Mac, all the time:
I can’t help it ’bout the shape I’m in,
I can’t sing, I aint pretty, and my legs are thin,
But don’t ask me what I think of you,
I might not give the answer that you want me to.
Oh well.