Lovefraud recently received the following email from a reader whom we’ll call “Judith.” She asked questions that many readers may wonder about, so I’ll answer them in this post.
Sociopaths do not feel emotions, empathy or cry – Yes, he did play the ‘cry game’ when I would tell him the relationship was ‘over’ (which I did a few times) or want to walk out of his door.
Q1. He used to cry incessantly for his parents/grandparents who love him a lot, and feeling homesick (staying alone). Or cry that I was not with him in the same place and how much he misses me (online chat). He would mostly be drinking when he cries like a river. He longed for having a wife in his life?? He proposed to almost every woman in his life (my research about him). He had 6-7 relationships in his past including me.
Q2. He cried at sad movies (about families especially on mothers)?
Q3.Sociopaths enjoy high sexual activity – He was sexually inactive, and it would ALWAYS depend on his mood. I used to think perhaps he was scared as he said he didn’t want me to get pregs (even though we always used protection). And mostly he would never keep condoms at home, which I thought was a good indication that he was not fooling around. He did watch porn at times which he used to tell me (made me feel bad at times) but I appreciated he was honest. He said sex is not in top 5 in a relationship for him — as porn sometimes is enough for him (single for a long time). I was left frustrated about this at times as he would tell me that I am young so I have a better appetite for this and not him??
Q4. Sometimes he displayed care for me\others – like cook in the middle of the night for them (he liked cooking). But I reckon it was during the first 6-7 months of our relationship. Perhaps it was his passion about cooking, as he used to cook for both of us till the last week of our relationship?
Range of behaviors
First of all, it is important to remember that sociopaths are not all the same. Sociopathy is a syndrome, which means that it is a collection of traits and behaviors. In order for people to be considered sociopaths, they have to show most of the traits to a strong degree.
This leaves plenty of room for variety. So sociopathy is also a continuum some sociopaths definitely have more of the traits than others. I like to say that they range from sleazy to serial killer.
In answering Judith’s questions, I’ll be talking in generalities. Everything may not apply in every single case, but usually the overall outline applies.
Sociopaths and emotions
Judith began by asking about sociopaths, emotions and empathy. Â Remember, sociopaths are not robots. They have some emotions, but their range of emotions is very narrow, and the emotions that they do show are not deep. Clinically, they are described as having “shallow affect.”
Sociopaths are certainly capable of anger, hatred and jealousy many of us have seen scary displays of those emotions. But you may have also seen the mind-bending phenomenon of a sociopath flying into a rage, and then a few minutes later appearing totally calm, as if he or she hadn’t just yelled, screamed and threatened. That is evidence of the shallowness of sociopathic emotions, which enables them to turn emotions on and off like a light switch.
Sociopaths are also capable of being excited or happy, especially when they get something that they want. But they are not capable of emotions that require truly caring about the good and welfare of another person, such as sympathy and love.
Sociopaths know, however, that they have to appear to have emotions to fit into society, and to manipulate others to do what they want. So they are exceptionally good at pretending to care and pretending to love. Sociopaths are fabulous actors many readers have told me that the sociopath they were with could have won Academy Awards.
Sociopaths and empathy
When it comes to the idea of empathy, whether or not sociopaths experience it depends on precisely how the word is defined. Here is what Dictionary.com says about “empathy:”
“the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.”
According to this definition, there are two ways by which one person can empathize with the feelings, thoughts or attitudes of another:
- “intellectual identification with”
- “vicarious experiencing of”
Most of us on Lovefraud probably assume that empathy means vicarious experiencing of another’s feelings. Sociopaths certainly do not experience empathy in that way. When another person, especially their target, is upset, it doesn’t bother sociopaths in the least.
But some experts have argued that sociopaths are capable of intellectually experiencing empathy, and this has the perverse effect of enabling them to enjoy inflicting pain on others. That is why they can be so sadistic. Dr. Liane Leedom wrote about this in a prior Lovefraud article:
Sadism and warped empathy in sociopaths
This argument is interesting, but I think the common interpretation of empathy, meaning to feel another person’s emotions, is more widely understood. Therefore, it’s fair to say that sociopaths do not feel empathy as most people interpret the word.
Sociopaths and crying
So, after all this background information, when Judith asks about sociopaths and crying, the answer is simple: They are faking!
Many people have told me their sociopathic partners could turn the tears on whenever they wanted. Judith said the sociopath cried when she was leaving a typical control tactic. My ex-husband started crying when he was “afraid he was losing me,” even though at that time he was cheating with multiple women.
When a sociopath cries, it is all about manipulation. As far as crying at sad movies as Judith mentioned well, that particular sociopath has probably learned it is socially appropriate behavior. He wanted to appear to be caring, emotional and human in order to manipulate her.
Sociopaths and sex
Generally, sociopaths want three things in life: power, control and sex. Although they never lose the desire for power and control, sometimes they dispense with the sex. This may be especially true as sociopaths age. In many people, the physical capacity for sex decreases with age, and this does at time happen to sociopaths.
Sociopaths pursue sex for two reasons. The first, obviously, is to satisfy their physical desires. The second is to use sex as a tool to achieve other objectives. Sociopaths seem to know that if they can hook someone sexually, it helps them manipulate the target into providing whatever else they want.
Some sociopaths seduce a target sexually, and then intentionally withhold sex. Why would they do this? To increase power and control.
This is apparent in Judith’s email. She wrote:
He did watch porn at times which he used to tell me (made me feel bad at times) but I appreciated he was honest. He said sex is not in top 5 in a relationship for him — as porn sometimes is enough for him (single for a long time).
Why would the guy tell Judith he was watching porn? To make her feel bad, which would give him more ammunition in manipulating her. And about preferring porn to real, live sex? Well, then he only has to be concerned with pleasing himself, and not a partner. That, of course, is a totally sociopathic attitude.
For more on the topic, read:
The truth about sex and sociopaths
A pornography addiction, by the way, is very damaging for the addict and real-life partner. A Lovefraud reader wrote eloquently about his in the following article:
Letter to Lovefraud: Pornography Effect 101
Caring and cooking
Sociopaths are quite capable of having interests, and perhaps Judith’s sociopath likes to cook. Still, why would he cook in the middle of the night? My guess is that it wasn’t romantic. He just got the urge to cook something and then did what he wanted to do, regardless of whether Judith wanted to eat—or preferred to sleep.
This leads me to mention another aspect of sociopathic acting. Frequently, sociopaths act as if they care, when in reality their caring behavior is only manipulation.
For example, some sociopaths start driving their targets around. This may seem chivalrous, but the sociopaths may actually by implying that their targets are bad drivers, which may lead to a sense of learned helplessness. The targets may feel that they no longer have the ability to do things for themselves, even if they were perfectly capable of the activities before.
Once you realize, or suspect, that someone is a sociopath, always look for the hidden agenda. When a sociopath engages in caring behavior, there is another objective. Nothing is done from the goodness of a sociopath’s heart, because there is no goodness in his or her heart.
I’m sorry you’re going through a rough patch Tea!!!
I completely agree…if you have a dysfunctional relationship with your mother then chances are that that dysfunction is going to bleed into every other relationship. For me this has become a red flag!!!( maybe we do need to tip our hat again a bit more respectfully to Mr. Freud!!! :)) Hope you’re taking tender care of you!!
The irony of it all in my life is that my crazy in laws live in India…I have always been their primary caretaker… they are 88 and 90 years old now so I have not been able to abdicate that role!!! I still go back for all their major medical needs and to make sure their support system is in place for when I am States side!! Their son has abandoned them too ever since his mask fell!!! Hasn’t spoken to them at all in the 3 years after he ran away from our home….
Hi Imara, Mummy issues? Maaajor red flag for me too! Thanks Sigmund. What would we do without him. Imara, you are abigger woman than I, taking care of the ex’s elderly parents, and I hope for you very much that their brand of crazy is the harmless kind. Peace and love Imara.
Hi TeaLight: I was thinking about you last night and wondering where you were. I am sorry that your spath caused you strife. It’s really bad when they can find ways around call blocker and other safety measures we take. My experience with the spath who is 58 and ill is that he does really cry. But, I believe he is always crying FOR himself and the plight he has found himself in. He’s old and I am his last victim standing as far as any support through health issues, rides to doctor visits, even getting his groceries at this point. He cries for himself. He never cries and says, “I’m sorry that I took such bad care of myself and you have to do everything for me.” He never cries and says, “Man, I cheated on you and I am a horrific human being and I am off to counseling as soon as I can get an appointment!” He never cries and says, “I can’t believe that I dumped my last girlfriend a couple of months after her son died.” What he actually said when he first told me about that was that he left and got his own place because “she was a mess.” He then didn’t pay his rent and lost that apartment. He has actually talked about that apartment several times with more love than the poor woman he dumped when she needed him most! He has to live with a mommy figure to survive. He lived with his own mommy until he was 32. He cries and talks about his regrets about what he has done to himself.
It feels so bad when they throw us off balance and it can reverberate for a long time inside us. But, TeaLight, I am glad to see you here today and hope you will slowly start to get back to you.
I was very bothered last night when I wrote about yesterday’s pity ploys. Today, I am here learning as much as I can, hoping to give support, and receiving it as always. Tomorrow, he’ll be up to something new. Today, I realize my pull into the Pity Play is my thinking I should feel guilty for not making someone happy every moment of the day which is impossible. I feel proud that I didn’t allow myself to get pulled in yesterday. If I do get pulled in, I will pull myself back out…thanks to what I have learned here.
Hi fight,
I just came to understand that you are still in a relationship with a sociopath. So, as far as the pity ploy goes…well, you handled it the way you did, and it seemed satisfying to you. Right? You saw through it, you tested it, you dismissed it. You sound like you didn’t waste too much time playing the game. I think the idea is to avoid becoming emotionally entangled. If you can do that you can maintain a level perspective, and choose to respond rather than react. Any reaction is feeding the monster.
I think the grey rock article is a good one, no matter what the ploy is.
I think that is likely the best you can do living under the same roof. I am sorry you have to. I am guessing, and it is NONE of my business, that there are a complex set of circumstances that keep you there.
It seems like much of the advice and articles here are centered around understanding, recognizing, and getting away from these creeps. So there isn’t much by way of how, exactly, to interact with them on an ongoing basis. Those women who have kids with them are likely good sources for how to communicate with them, and protect yourself at the same time.
Take care,
Slim
Hi Slimone:
Thank you for the encouragement. When I wrote it all out late last night, I was working through feelings I need to process and not let take over. Yes. I am in a complex situation that I have found workable in my present circumstances. The pity thing is one of the last of the hurdles as far as feeling I need to do something to keep him from feeling bad or not getting what he wants. Just writing it here helped. And because I could not find much about it being a “draw” and I know it is for many people who want to help others, I wanted to see what others had to say about it. I think knowing about the pity play/ploy on the part of the sociopath could help a lot of people in knowing they are dealing with one and it is part of the spath’s journey to make one his/her target. I like having current interaction dialogue as well as keeping all of the phases in the discussion, so if younger people hear our stories about how a sociopath can manipulate with pity, they will see that as a red flag. Thanks again.
Donna,
Thank you very much for taking time out and answering to my specific Q’s on this site.
Something about his traits didn’t seemed to match the striking qualities of a Sociopath (my questions above).
This explains the disorder traits could be so disperse yet interlinked. Your book, articles and posts have been tremendously insightful and helpful in understanding the behavior of my exbf.
On further research i learnt that he is suffering BPD and NPD, and he is completely oblivious of it. He thinks what he feels ’emotionally/mentally’ are normal and he always believes one needs to be ‘pratical’ in life – even if that meant huritng someone, abandoning someone or cheat/lie or hide things from someone they ‘loved’.
Hoping to read and learn more on your site!
Thank you readers – your stories and posts have given me the support that i am not alone and clear the fog to see the reality.
Judith – you are very welcome – as you can see by the comments, many people found your questions and the answers to be helpful.
Great Donna!!! Love your wisdom and humour both!!
Donna what about people who just love sex and then later experience the coolidge effect where they are no longer sexually attracted to their mate or attracted to other mates?
What might motivate someone to select the username heavyfists when you decided to comment on a site for survivors if abusive individuals. Compassion? Sincerity? Empathy?
Good question, Tea Light! And specifically aiming a misogynistic question at Donna. We must consider, though, that “the Coolidge effect” used “common rats” to provide empirical evidence. Of course, rats don’t have fists, but they are locked in cages or the females would probably all run away! Nearly 90 years ago when Coolidge was President, those cheating men were Hi-lariious. Now, they are just pathetic and to paraphrase from a book I read (The Manipulative Man) written by a man: All Don-Juans become impotent much younger than real men.
Lol. You made me laugh out loud fight4wr. So empathic of you yo revert to your longer name too.
Thank you, Tea Light! Yes. Thank you for making me think. I’m glad I made you laugh. Poor little rats.