Perhaps the hardest thing for those of us targeted by sociopaths to grasp is the extent of their inhumanity.
Sociopaths have no empathy. They do not feel connections to other human beings. We are mere pawns in their games. They view the world as predators and prey—they are the predators, everyone else is prey.
We ask, “How can this be?”
We object, “He said he loved me!” (“She said she loved me!”)
We argue, “I said I was leaving and he cried! He begged me to stay! He said he couldn’t live without me!” (The female sociopath did too.)
Well, let’s take a look at what their words really mean. A Lovefraud reader visited Sociopathworld.com. “They had a discussion going on things they said but what they actually meant to them,” she wrote.
Here’s what our reader sent:
The Cheat-Sheet for What a Sociopath Really Means
1. I love you: I am fond of your companionship and put you above most, but never above me. Consider it an honor.
2. I’m sorry, forgive me: I really do not enjoy the fact that your mood has altered. Please revert back to normal.
3. I’d do anything for you: I’d do plenty to keep you right where I want you to be.
4. My condolences for your loss: *crickets* … It’s just a body. See you later when you aren’t being an emotional train-wreck.
5. S/he fills my heart with joy: I haven’t had this much fun playing in a long time, and the sex is more than acceptable.
6. I love my family: They’re mine.
7. That’s simply shocking: You’ve touched my morbid bone. No need to stop now…
8. Deep down, I feel I’m a good person: I’m not in prison and I stopped abusing animals, mostly. What more can you possibly demand of me?
9. I’m not a monster, I’m a human too: I’m trying to seem human, give me a break. It’s not like this is particularly natural for me.
10. I have feelings too: I feel frustrated when your feelings get in my way.
11. I wouldn’t lie to you: I lie to you every time I say I wouldn’t lie to you.
12. I understand/respect your feelings: I appreciate your feelings because I use them to manipulate you.
13. I never meant to hurt you: mission accomplished.
14. I want to work things out: I want to work things out for today.
15. I’ll always be there for you: I’ll try to as long as I need something from you
Remember this: Never evaluate the words or actions of a sociopath based on what you mean by your words and actions. For a sociopath, it’s all about manipulation.
I just reposted that link…..now I’m not sure WHERE/WHO posted it……
Who is the poster whos spath is wanting to take Jr to the Carribean? Same poster having the hair cutting issue with spathdad. (Sheesh….I think!) OMG….now i’m questioning everythhin…..
CRS…BIG TIME today…..If I find it, I will repost…
It’s a govmnt. contact….probably the Passport agency itself.?????
My kids were gone for 3.5 months….it was paralyzing…..but MANY lessons.
I’ve learned to look for the lessons in all experiences….that is what I did wrong for 28 years…..so i’m making up for it now…
Spath told them I was faking cancer, never had my strokes and was NEVER sick……I was really mentally ill. Kids were ‘older’ and didn’t have a relationshop with daddy0- for several months….he BOMBARDED them at school, shock tactic, and provided them instantanious drama and lies, confusion etc…..he took them…..2 states away….NO ONE would talk to me….not kids, not parents….NOONE…….because spath was my ‘handler’ and I was just so mentally Ill…..he was seeking help for me.
He BLEW it when he announced, like a trophy, or getting accepted into Yale …..that I had been accepted at MD ANDERSON cancer center in Houston, and I’d be leaving soon.
Kids had a young friend who passed at 10. He and his mother both battled cancer at MDA and my kids were well aware of what MDA was……
Spath, in all his drawing in of cheers of my acceptance and just how IMPORTANT I was for attention now….lost track of his lies of my faking it all…….and kids said…in front of Gparents…..WHY, if Moms faking it, is she going to MDA? Oooops!
The story went from faking, to very ill, to dying, to I died.
So now i’m a ghost…..or something.
(Yes….talk about running into someone who he told I died) Essh!
Kids were in a tailspin…..I kept track of them and their emotions through my brother and their myspace pages. I also had their phone passwords…..I stalked my own kids to monitor what was going on and where they were……THEY WERE WITH MY PARENTS!!!! Who wouldn’t speak to me!
They enrolled them in school(out of area, no varience), and told the school kids didn’t have a mother…..WTF????
I was in constant contact with the school also….god knows what they thought???/ My mother had volunteered there for years….everyone loved the old English lady who read to the kids…….let’s help her GK’s out.
Blew her nicety cover!!!!
Anyways….I had to strike fast, soft and easy…..to be careful not to put my kids in more danger or mindfuck…..
Jr got to romanticising death on his Myspace…..and it scared the shiat out of me.
I thought….how can I manipulate spath into ‘fixing’ this…..
Thats where I went into the sex manipulation…..and it worked like a charm….I had another backspath in that moment too….one of those moments where it just ‘worked out. He had given me herpes during our relationship….I was a virgin…..so it was apparant where this came from…..
I just so happened, in all this stress….to be having one of the worst outbreaks I had ever had……Oh, you shoulda seen the positions EB came up with…..just to make sure my Herpes touched EVERY inch of his body……EVERY INCH!!!!
After sexing and hopefully infecting him in places he will carry it around publically!…..He got reaaal nice….and said…..WE need to go down to see kids…..I jumped back and SAID….uh, no……you deal with this…..
He said, I think it’s time I open the door to your father……
I said….Uh, no….I didn’t close that door.
He left, ‘trusting’ me…..so I ransacked his house….gathered up all info/documentation…..went to Houston, flew to where kids were and just ‘showed’ up…….
It was a crazy time…..
But I learned patience and self control.
My heart wanted to go rambo….and just pluck them back, like they were taken…..but I knew kids were suffer mindgame consequences of that…..I had to be calculated, set up a support system, provide MD support and have us engulfed in people who knew what went on.
That all took time…..to coordinate.
The kids came back….MESSED UP. Didn’t know what to believe…….acted out…..anger….and all the crap.
It was definately the hardest, most UNEXPECTED thing…..as I was primary caregiver to these kids….how could THEY believe his lies….they SAW me in hospital, saw my severe weight loss……saw my decline……and then BELIEVED contrary?
I still have a hard time with this…..
I remember one Jr calling me to inquire on the dog….He wanted ‘daddy-0’ to bring the dog to them….I said, NO!
He said, why do you sound like you do? I said I wasn’t feeling well…I had just had radiation yesterday…..his response to me was…Mom….give it up…we all know the truth now!
PEIRCING!!!!!!!!
That was when I ‘found my adamant’!!!
So anyways…..it happened. it was a shit time of all our lives….I never felt they would be killed, just mindfucked……so I had to play my cards right to reveal the truth…..or better yet….allow the truth to reveal itself.
I coulndt go around with my medical records, i’d really look crazy…..I decided NOT to defend myself….as I had spent my whole life defending……i was going to BACKSPATH….use his tactics to work for us!!!!
His mask slipped BIGTIME…….fell off……
I’m glad your pointing out the lies….catching him in court is great…..judges , once they get it….get it! Because you have so little time in front of a judge….each negative is magnified 10X….judge may now acknoledge it…..but they ‘get it’….and in the end ruling…it’ll show.
Your attorney can attach that email as an exhibet in the next hearing in the filing docs….judge will read it prior to YOU getting to court….and the picture is painted!
I want you to know….nothing I say is legal advise…I am NOT an attorney….I’m a chick who’s learned through living….walking the walk and researching sociopathic behaviors in court. I’ve gone up against the ex and a business spath…..and i’ve learned techiniques that have worked. Body language, key words, how to hold my body…..where/when/how to bring things up…..its a chess game……strategy…..counter control and end result ….backspath.
Keep the pressure on at all times…..especially in front of a judge!!!!
Goodgoing at the hearing!
Dear EB, the “chick” is FAD (fight another day) whose x is wanting the passport and shaving the kid’s head. Kid is only 2 so he doesn’t care, but mama does! LOL
I didn’t realize that your EGG DONOR was in on the kidnapping part! Sheesh! I think your egg donor just topped mine for being “Mutha-of-tha-year” ****M*U*T*H*A ****of the year! Gosh EB, that is horrible, sheesh! At least my “kids” were adults when she took them away from me, well I forgot about the time she “stole” P-son when he was 15, but nothing I could do about it. Should never have let the jerk come home….compounded my mistake!
It is difficult for me to believe now that I actually “pretended none of this happened” for so many times….talk about denial! I had a therapist tell me once years ago that I had the THICKEST SET OF ROSE COLORED GLASSES SHE HAD EVER SEEN. I didn’t realize just how right she was, and boy was she ever right! I could put the SPIN on cat carp and think it tasted like candy! YUM!!! Gimme more!!!!
EB you have my complete admiration, woman, just in case you don’t know it! To say nothing of the fact that you caught on decades before I did.
Freedom, believe me I would GLADLY trade places with the dead girl’s parents. They at least had the support of their community and the police, all I got was the most hateful call from one of the detectives I have ever had….he talked to me like I was the one who had killed the girl. It has taken me nearly 20 years to get the sound of the tone of his voice out of my head.
No one brings caseroles and covered dishes to your house or comforts you when your child is the KILLER, there is no funeral where you can close the coffin and start the grieving process….your kid is calling you daily collect from jail denying he did it, begging you to send money and come visit or to find his bail money so no one will rape or kill him in the cell.
Sure, there was a time I would not have traded places with her parents, but I am back now to where I if I could I would…and if I got the news that my P son was dead, that some other inmate had killed him, all I would feel is relief…because I would know I no longer have to look over my shoulder wondering when he is going to send his next friend to try to kill me AGAIN! The little boy I bore, the little boy I loved is gone, and the stranger in the prison cell is EVIL. Psychopaths ARE EVIL. We can’t fix them…we can only fix ourselves and accept that the person we loved is GONE or never existed. Acceptance is difficult but it is the only way to survive and have a life!
i have spent 8 hours battling the weirdest computer shit i have ever seen. my reports – HUGE reports have been corrupted. THREE TIMES I have lost my work! they are due to today. And i don’t know when this will be fixed.
now, what i want to say is – how deeply triggered my PTSD is! OY! I feel like i am in a black hole. I have had the computer tech in and he will be back tomorrow – i can’t tell you how heavy a time this is – so much time sensitive work- and I am sorting this out alone as i am working off-site.
MASSIVE ptsd trigger – no control and computer weirdness. i feel like i am in the twilight zone. with the ptsd triggered i feel at blame – good to SEE the dynamic – when it’s triggered i am ‘at fault’ on an emotional level, REGARDLESS of the truth.
Dear One,
BREATHE!!!! ((((Hugs)))))
Freedomatlast:
Babe, I don’t want to scare you or anything and I’m so proud of you for the excellent job you have just done of such a traumatic and difficult thing BUT – PLEASE make sure that you are not alone for TG, okay? ” this fool just text me 10 mins ago and asked if she’s going out of town for thanksgiving??” – he has just LOST the kind of battle that he will consider a personal affront. Remember that they do not actually “love” their kids either. Make yourself safe, okay?
OxDrover: So, so, so agree with your largish post above about NO CONTACT for Findingmyself. Thanks for the heads-up about copying the link, not copying and pasting. (Will now need to teach myself how to do that!)
EB: You rock! (You just do, okay?)
Onestep: does your x-spath have the capacity to have affected your work’s computer system? Just a thought. BTW – ditto about “breathing”. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I wanted to log in and say a very heartfelt “Happy Thanksgiving” to everyone. LoveFraud is at the top of my list of “Things I’m Thankful For” this year. This site and the generous people on it have literally saved my life. I am grateful to the point of tears. Your “intervention” and encouragement and support came just when I needed it this summer. You gave me the final push to get the spath out of my life for good. It has been a year of discovery (most of the discoveries were painful, shocking, and nauseating), and of learning about a depth of evil that I thought only movie-scripters imagined.
Besides the people here and their selfless willingness to help and share, LF helped me in a way no other resource did. When I was trying to figure out what “my problem” was (psst, it was HIM, a budding spath), I found many descriptions of Ps and their characteristics, but I needed actual real-life examples of how these people act, to compare them to my experiences. “Grandiose” for example doesn’t mean a lot on a checklist until I understand “just how grandiose” they are by reading the stories of others who have been in similar situations.
To sum up: my husband and I, along with our kids, took in a young man who seemed to be the most thoughtful, respectful, obedient guy you could hope for. During the first year he integrated into our family as one of our own. We considered him our “adopted son” and were on the verge of changing his last name when his P traits began to surface. During the second year he targeted me by isolating me, setting up dynamics in the family to work to his advantage, to make my husband and I mistrust each other and to maliciously drive a wedge between us. He lied and played us against each other to the point we were considering divorce after 20+ good years!
The fact that these tactics worked is a matter of our own fault for not having rock-solid relationships in place and carefully maintained, as we should have. But the fact that this guy even had the nerve to pull these tricks in the first place, on a family who had done nothing but show him love and encouragement, along with full financial support… we should have known early on he was no good. But he always had reasons for his behavior, blaming most things on his birth father’s abusiveness to him (and I now question how much of that was even true). He also blamed his prior drug use for “messing up his memory” (actually, a convenient excuse for when he got his lies crossed).
He began showing signs of leading a double life, having a sweet and innocent personality when I was watching, but being a royal scorpion around others. Each new revelation felt like a stab in my gut, as I caught him stealing from us and others, becoming promiscuous, smoking, drinking, doing drugs, vandalizing. It was so difficult to believe my own eyes and ears, when I knew him as a happy, cheerful, helpful, funny guy. He had a rationalization for every action, nothing was really his fault, which only added to my confusion.
I played the part of the long-suffering mother, who had truly loved this guy to the point of accepting him into my heart as one of my own. He had problems, but he was my “diamond in the rough.” He angrily refused to go to counseling, but I thought a mother’s love could heal up whatever past hurts were causing him to act this way. Quickly he used this love and loyalty to monopolize my time and attention away from the other kids, another move to isolate me. On and on it went, the hole getting deeper, and me continuing to love and believe in him “no matter what.” I thought, “Isn’t that what a good mother does? Love and hang on at all costs?”
Well the costs became intolerably high. As you might imagine, my telling him that I would love him and help him and be there for him “no matter what” was like writing a crook a blank check. He was going to make me PAY.
Everyone else was ready to give up on him, but this only made me hope more and try harder. As if BELIEVING that he could change would MAKE him change. And after all, we had made a promise to him; he could consider himself unofficially adopted; we were a “forever family” as they say. Family means the world to me, and I didn’t want a “black sheep” in it! And he of course seized on my loyalties to keep me hooked into his schemes, “Don’t give up on me! I’m trying to be good. My birth parents never loved me (really?) and you’re all I have in this world…” Manipulation, control, and drama games over and over, then things began in earnest!
Sexual advances, threats of suicide if I told, horrible shame and guilt that I had been the recipient of a sexual advance by MY OWN SON. Then more mind games, lies to cover up lies, crazy-making. Plus, increasing irresponsibility, blowing all his money, threatening me, intimidating me, raging when I was alone with him. Everyone seemed to be turning against me for taking “his side”, and I was nursing an addiction to him, feeling helpless and hopeless to change anything, keeping me hooked where he wanted me.
After two years of working intensely with him, doing everything I could to help him, I hated to lose the fight! He truly had made a lot of progress, I had taught him to read and write, helped him get a job, got him in church, bought him decent clothes, taught him to cook, took him to the eye doctor, dentist, etc. etc. He drank in all the attention and constantly told me how much he loved me. I loved him too, and wanted him to be a good guy so desperately.
But because of his abusiveness, I suffered physically with PTSD, weight loss, night sweats, extreme nervousness, hypervigilence, everything. Emotionally as the sexual advances continued I finally went numb to it all I think. No one else really knew what was going on, and he promised I would PAY if anyone found out. And I didn’t WANT to tell anyone. Not only to protect him, but also because of the shame of it all. I couldn’t imagine telling our family that the “brother” I had encouraged them to be close to was actually a pervert. And how do I tell the community that has supported us, has contributed financially, has prayed for us, that everything has fallen apart and he has turned out to be nothing but a con artist?? And that he feels ENTITLED to everything he has been given, and wants even more, even to the point of sexual favors from his own mommy! It was just wretched. He knew he had me trapped, and abused me repeatedly. Since he loves to challenge rules of any kind, he DELIGHTED in something as taboo as incest. And, I think now, he enjoyed horrifying me with it too.
He began raging routinely, punching walls then bawling, hating me then loving me, and I lived in fear, avoiding him when I could. When he began to scare my young daughter, I knew I had to find a way out. He kept telling me he was reforming, getting better, starting to see the light… I didn’t want to give up too quickly, when his redemption might be just around the corner, but how much could I take? It was starting to seem plausible to kill myself to escape it all.
He had set up so many looming dreadful possibilities of what would happen if we were to ever kick him out… so I had to face those fears. I had to drop the axe and cut all ties with my “son”, tell my husband what had been going on, admit the ugly horribleness of it all. I had to let him go emotionally and give up all hope that my sizeable investments in his life meant anything. All my dreams for his good future boiled down to a restraining order against him. I am thankful to have learned on this site that a true “family” includes those who love and respect you. I have a greater appreciation for my remaining family members now. On the bad side, I have been overwhelmed with shame and guilt and a sense of failure. I am afraid that I am the one who caused things to go wrong. I blame myself for the bad outcome; if only because I’m the parent and it happened “on my watch.”
I am getting to the point of acceptance with a lot of it. For those of you struggling with the concept of “acceptance” – I hated the very idea of “accepting” what had happened. As if that meant endorsing it, or liking what happened. It doesn’t mean that. It’s probably not the best term for it. It is more like coming to a point of peacefulness where it still exists but doesn’t hurt when you think about it. If you “can’t accept it” then you’re just not at that point yet, and that’s ok. You can’t force-feed yourself this horrible situation and MAKE yourself accept it. But someday, without even trying to, you will notice that some of your feelings are peaceful toward the situation. I don’t have this all the time, and many times I’m back in the looney-toons stage, but I don’t dread “accepting” it anymore. It’s a good thing.
The next thing on the horizon is that, as some of you have mentioned lately, my husband and I are thinking of moving away to start over and get rid of bad memories in this house and in this area. It’s a lot to think about, but might be a way to heal more quickly. I hate to leave town as a “loser”, and let the spath win because we would be losing our house and hometown on top of all the other damage. I don’t know.
But I will say, I’m not a loser, I’m a survivor, and I’m pretty darned proud of myself for the progress I’ve made in climbing out from underneath the pile of rocks, as another poster compared it to recently (sorry, can’t find who it was). It’s a great analogy for the struggle… I can feel the fresh air on my face already!
Peace and love to all of you.
Dear Justrdreaming,
I am so glad to hear from you, your post sounds so SANE!!!! (((hugs))))
I remember your posts and how painful they sounded, how horrible it all sounded for you, and I am so glad to know that you are healing and that “son” is out of your life.
It is difficult when we try to hard to “rescue” someone and INVEST SO MUCH of ourselves in helping them, only to have them USE AND ABUSE us and our empathy and kind and good intentions.
But you know what the “road to hell is paved with” and believe me I have paved my share of it with GOOD INTENTIONS to help someone who was down and out.
We WANT to help others, we want to share our good fortune with others…and that gives us a good feeling to do things for others….but there is a big difference between helping and enabling, and I didn’t know the difference for a long time.
I would suggest that you work on the feelings of shame that I still hear in your post…you have no “reason” to feel ashamed, or to BE ashamed. Of course FEELINGs aren’t right or wrong, they just ARE…but we can work on getting them to jive with reality.
You made a mistake, you were conned, you were hoodwinked by a con-man, your good intentions and your caring and empathy were abused. That is NO legitimate reason to feel shame. YOU did not do wrong, you made a mistake. HE should own the shame, not you, but he feels no shame. He has no conscience.
YOU are a survivor. Thank you so much for updating us on your status and I’m glad to know you are doing better! (((hugs))) and God bless, and happy thanksgiving!
Dear Justdreaming, That was so incredibly poignant and encompassed everything that I have been seeking validation for. After 2 years without the ex spath, I finally felt my own ‘acceptance’ the other day. I never thought I would get there. Your post has already helped me move forward with life even more.
Thank you, thank you for pouring your heart out and sharing your story.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
bluejay, thanks! I posted earlier thanking you for help in editing his name, but I don’t know where it went!
But THANKS!
Rats! I just discovered that it’s cached in google, so that even tho the name isn’t there anymore, it still links to this comment!