Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail. In it, I felt like I was reading a rerun of my experience.
I was involved with one of those 1 to 4% sociopaths/scammers you’ve outlined in your website.
I lost everything — Long story — you already know it — he was so charming — the love of my life — kind generous, giving, very sexy in and out of bed —
Anyways, it’s been just over 3 yrs (I was only with him 2 + yrs with a 3-month breakup period. Yep I took him back — Call me a LOSER now and hit the delete button — Wait, please don’t.) and I’m living in a mobile home park. Not any of the three properties I had on a golf course. Sold two of them and the third is heading for foreclosure. Put all the money 250K+ into a condo in Mexico and took loans out on my condo that I had paid off while I was selling new homes from ’95 -’05) the year I met him to pay for “our dream” — live in Mexico. I had an offer letter to work for the Four Seasons (selling luxury time shares — the interviews were long and the background check very extensive — I passed) and that would help pay the mortgage on the 3,000 sq. ft. beachfront condo WE bought — none of his money till he made some payments. And my job would hopefully cover his expenses of running his dream job of being a charter captain on a boat that we would lease from the person we bought the condo from — OMG — Thanks for listening. I need a support group to go to but I’d rather just be one-on-one and I’ve been to the therapists — they all (so far) just watch the clock and tell me stuff I already know.
Been extremely depressed — always suffered depression but was able to work and acquire my homes. Then, all of his promises and “deals” shot all my $$ and savings out the window — at a very high speed mind you.
How long does it take to get on with life?
My friends, which are fewer nowadays, say get over it and move on. But, I considered myself to be somewhat “street smart”. And so I continue to beat myself up for the horrific financial things I did and the mess I’m in. I know I need to accept some of the blame — but — he had the plan. I didn’t know his plan and went along with the Love sick person inside of me — finally, my ugh, prince had come — yada, yada, yada.
At the end (two weeks before our big move to start our new “fabulous” lives together I finally confronted him about his 150K in credit card debt. I have no idea why I didn’t run his credit before that close to our move — other than he was always paying for everything, including ALWAYS having to upgrade our flights to first class, etc — I thought he was just spoiling me — as he told me time and again — I deserved to be treated like a lady and he was going to be the one to do that — and claiming to pay off his cards monthly with his construction job.
By the way, yes he allowed me to run his credit one night when he was having one of his daily 6 Bud Lights. I’d gone to bed early — he came home beyond plastered, woke me up from a sound sleep and poured beer all over me — threw me to the ground and threatened to kill me (“Do you want me to kill you now?”) I responded two-fold. “Why are you wasting a beer?” and “No, I’d like to make it to my 43rd b-day.”
I called the police after he got up from holding me by my neck to the ground of our bedroom floor. I called a cab, as I’d already sold my sports car (as it wouldn’t have been too practical in Mexico) stayed in a motel for 2 weeks — next day called some movers and moved all my stuff to a storage — then after two weeks in “hiding” because I was afraid he’d go to my girlfriends homes looking for me. I stayed with a girlfriend until the tenants in my condo found a new place to move.
Sorry for rambling on — to repeat it’s been just over 3 yrs and I can remember everything like it was yesterday.
How long till I regain my life? I’m sure the answer is in ME — maybe a lobotomy? Please advise or let me know that I still have a life that’s worth living. I’ll be 46 in Feb. He’ll be turning 60 next yr.
Insidious tactic
This reader described in living color probably the most insidious tactic in the sociopathic arsenal: They target our dreams.
What better way to draw us in than to promise to make our deepest desires come true? How can we resist someone who wants what we want, and seemingly has the capacity to achieve it?
And how do the sociopaths know what we want? They ask us, and we tell them.
It happens early in the relationship, under the guise of “getting to know each other.” It goes something like this:
“So,” the sociopath asks, with pitch-perfect sincerity, “what do you really want in life?”
“I want a family before I get too old,” we reply. (Or, “I want to live on the beach on a tropical island.” Or, “I want to send my kids to a top college.” Or, “I want to retire while I’m still young enough to enjoy it.”)
“That’s what I want,” the sociopath replies, with a touch of feigned surprise. “We have so much in common. We must be meant for each other.”
Painful betrayal
Dreams explain one reason why the betrayal of the sociopath is so painful. Not only have they manipulated us, deceived us and stolen from us, but they used our own most treasured dreams to do it.
We have lost not only our love, money, time, home, and whatever else they have taken. We’ve lost our dreams. And that hurts.
Then, of course, comes the self-criticism. Why did we believe the sociopath? Why did we wait so long to check them out? Why didn’t we listen to people who warned us? Why didn’t we listen to ourselves?
Why? Because we wanted our dreams to come true.
It’s a brilliant tactic on the part of the predators. They use our dreams to hook us, and then because of our dreams, we don’t want to let go.
Recovery
So how, as this reader asks, do you move on in life? “I’m sure the answer is in me,” she writes.
She is right. A lobotomy is not necessary, but a “pain-ectomy” is. We have real, true, genuine pain because of what the sociopath did. In my opinion, we can’t analyze away the pain, or wish it away. Pain is emotional, and the only way to release it is emotional. We have to allow ourselves to experience it.
The only way out of the pain is through it.
This isn’t pretty. In my case, I spent a lot of time crying. To get out my anger, I imagined the con man’s face in a pillow, and beat it as hard as I could. Because our dreams were damaged, the pain goes deep, and releasing it is a process. We get rid of some, and more rises to take its place.
Eventually, however, we get to the point where we’ve cried all the tears and released all the anger. We get to the point of acceptance. Something awful happened, we had a part in it, but it’s time to move on.
Then we learn something about dreams. Dreams are linked to expectations, and expectations have a down side. Sometimes, if our expectations aren’t met, we feel like we’ve failed. Or, expectations blind us to other opportunities that may come our way. Because the new opportunities do not match our expectations, we don’t even see them.
Maybe we have to give up our original dreams. But that doesn’t mean there will never be dreams again. Perhaps something better, and more fulfilling, will come along, and because we are no longer looking to make a particular dream come true, we’ll see the new opportunity.
Had to restart my modem! ARGG!
Aussie,
You are going through way too much for this spath idiot. Get your confidence built up for Monday!
One up the idiot! Remember something…. we now hold the golden key…. because we know who they really are now. Not like before… when we were fooled by them! Make him squirm like a fly under your flyswatter!!! You have the “upper hand” now! Prove it to him with confidence!
Also… when you hold the golden key… you become a survivor of the abuse and no longer a victim! You know what he really is and in time all involved will see it too.
IMO
Notcrazee1!
Spirit,
yes they find out what we want and they MIRROR US.
That is their secret weapon, you tell them what you are thinking and then suddenly, they are exactly like you. Always watch for that.
It’s very sad actually. I hate thinking about how easy it is to make us believe because we want to be understood.
As Bill the Cat used to say, “ACK!” (spits up fur ball)
Aussie,
I can’t understand how someone like you can have their confidence undermined.????
You are soooo together. You know soooo much. WTF is happening?
Do you need help imagining your spath in a diaper. cuz he wears one all the time, you know.
Hi guys. Thanks for the votes of confidence.
You know, most of the time I DO have it altogether and I know I have him pegged beyond all doubt. I AM confident of a good outcome in the other court with the Property Settlement – all good judges so far, I have all of the evidence that says I’m telling the truth (oh – that’s right – THAT’S because I AM TELLING THE TRUTH!!)
I haven’t missed him, wanted or had contact with him or thought “what if” or “if only” for well over 2 years now. He is a maggot and he makes me sick to my stomach. And yet…the way that I got 4 weeks ago tells me I’m not out of the woods yet. I’m still off-work (7 months now) with Fibromyalgia (which I KNOW he caused) and PTSD (although the PTSD is so much better now).
The court incident last month was horrific for me – kicked me right back to the beginning again for a few days, then my Fibro flared up badly for 2 weeks after that, very painful, the pain wore me down again I guess.
I might send a blow-by-blow account to Donna and see if she will post it as a blog so people can comment on it. I have the best support from 2 very close friends but think I need some perspectives from you guys who KNOW how it feels to be put right back there again.
Bloody PTSD!!!!
(PS – thanks for thinking I know so much Skylar – I don’t think I know anymore than anyone else on here – I only know about what has happened to me and what has worked as I’ve tried to overcome each situation – and I know what DOESN’T work too – just maybe had a few more things happen to me than some have had – makes no difference – we all get conned – we all hurt the same – we all break sometimes)
Hi EB, Would you help if you see this?
Remember he asked if it’s ok to give daughter his father’s old car? I said ok. Meanwhile, I paid to insure her as a driver, as well as other driver’s license/permit etc costs and he wouldn’t split the cost. I did not agree that I’d pay to insure this new car. His and my car insurance are still joint, so he called and added the third car, but I got the bill. I don’t want to engage with him to ask him to pay the bill as he hasn’t paid other joint things I’ve asked him to. I don’t want to spend my money to pay my atty. to have him pay the car insurance. Daughter takes herself to practices/games after school and I don’t have to go pick her up, and on nights I am busy, she drives herself home. Before, he never chpped in to drive her. I did all the driving.
I feel that I should email him the inusrance bill total and ask to drop a check by Sun noon. If I don’t get it I’ll assume he won’t pay it and I’ll call and cancel the insurance. He’s responsible for returning the license plates or whatever is needed to DMV, and he can take the car back.
That’s what I thought I’d do. Does that make sense?
I don’t want to wait around a month till the insurance is due. If he won’t cover the cost of her having a car, then I can’t a
Or, better yet. I drive with my daughter to his condo and leave the car in front of his unit and leave the keys in his mailbox with the note that the insurance isn’t paid so the car cannot be driven until this is squared away. Until I see a receipt of the paid insurance cost, D. won’t be able to drive the car.
And the child support check isn’t here three days late. How can I go to court myself without paying my attorney and get them to deduct the c.s. from his paycheck? Can I do that even though we both have lawyers?
Thank you.
Dear Dancing,
Before you do anything I would advise you to talk to your attorney.
Him “giving” the car to the daughter (and I bet it is in YOUR name isn’t it?) looks like he is being a “nice guy” but by him not paying insurance or sending CS on time, my guess is he is going to try to “charge” you for this vehicle at “retail price.”
I’m not EB, but I like your second idea of the car—dropping it off at his house (don’t put the keys in the mail box though, unless it is a drop through the door slot, it is illegal to put anything in a US mail box even on someone’s house and yea I know people do it all the time)
I would also advise that you call the insurance co and cancel your insurance on the JOINT account and put YOUR car on your OWN account. You might want to ask your attorney on the phone WHY the insurance is in a joint account anyway, as I would think the attorney would want to SEVER as much “joint” bills as possible as quickly as possible but I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY so don’t know why he would want them still joint)
I would bet the farm whatever his “reason” is for giving your daughter this car it is TO HIS BENEFIT NOT THE DTR’S OR YOURS.
BEWARE OF GREEKS BEARING GIFTS—-REMEMBER THE TROJAN HORSE!
Hi guys,
My x has been jerking me arund w/c.s. forever. A year ago when I first filed, he threatened he wouldn’t pay ANY c.s. till divorce was final, and I stupidly offered to hire a mediator to help me get my c.s. and paid the full retainer while he happily wasted all the time w/mediator to bicker about the budget.
He HAS paid c.s. so he’s not delinquent. But he’s late and uses it as power play to irritate me.
So, HOW DO I just go to court and get the child support direct deposited from his paycheck to my acct? Can I bypass my lawyer to save legal cost and do this myself?
Can I do this if he’ sonly a FEW DAYS late this month?
He gave me a song and dance in an email today how he was “surprised I didn’t get c.s. because he is sending all his insurance reimbursement checks in my name and they are well in excess of c.s. amount and I am free to use extra amount for child’s welfare” Then he says to his lawyer after his greeting to cc this letter to my lawyer. (Idiot. Only his lawyer’s email address wasn’t even in the address field so he clearly thinks I am retarded)
I decided I’ve had enoughof this game of his late payments, and my spending MY money to ask my lawyer to fix the problem, who then does NOTHING concretely to solve the c.s. issue once and for all with a direct deduction.
I am venting. I am quite shook up by his and his lawyer’s shenanignas and intmidating emails re. trial. She emailed my lawyer saying that his cliend doesn’t seem to understand what I stand to lose and how she has an affidavit from his father re. the gifting of the house that I seem to fail to grasp how at trial it could impact me. Creeps.
It seems we aren’t disagreeing on a lot of money to warrant going to the trial aggravation and expense. I thought of going back to the expensive sharp lawyer for a consult once again and asking him what are my chances, what can he advise, and should I hire him. WIth 20 hrs. of his time for trial, I’d lose $10K right there, and we aren’t fighting over that much anyway. BUT maye just the strong approach of the new lawyer would be enought to show X that I am prepared to defend myself, so bring it on bitch. lol I am not really laughing as I am so scared and stressed. Just it sounds funny would be nice to actually say that to his face in court teee heee.
Any experience and knowledge re. getting a c.s. contempt order. Is only a week late on payment sufficienct cause to take him to court for that?
I would SO LOVE TO have his employer know he’s a deadbeat dad not paying c.s..
And he thinks h e is immune bec. he wrote an email and he has it in writing that he HAS sent the insurance check in place of it, so he’s innocent. Fricking vampire.
THanks for listening and have a great evening.
EB, EB, you out there??
Can use your support as Im scared of trial and not sure how to scare the idiot x back.
Dear Dancing warrior,
You might go hire this sharp lawyer for a consultation and get your questions answered–my state had CS directed through the county, they mailed the check to the county, who checked it in, then mailed to me in a self addressed stamped envelope I provided to the court…mine did pay on time so I’m not sure about the chronically late crap! I think like with most bills, anything within 10 days of “due” date is okay and they can keep on IRRITATING YOU just for the hell of it…and the only thing you can do is to QUIT REACTING to it and JUST EXPECT IT —-I know I am just essentially saying “suck it up there’s not much you can do” and I’m not sure what EB would/will say. She popped in for one update last night, she’s been busy with some big “event” she had to help plan and put on.
I wish I could just send him a case of lice! Here, jerk face, rub this in your hair and crotch! LOL A lot of this is like FAD’s X cutting her son’s hair, shaving the kid’s head and then saying “WELL, you never told me you didn’t want his head shaved before Christmas photos” LOL They will always find SOMETHING to ring your chimes about! (((Hugs))))
Hi OxDrover,
I can’t remember the name of a gov. organization that handles c.s. specifically, esp. if it’s not paid.
Though we’ve been in the divorce process for over a year, and child support amount has been established through laweyrs, there is not formal COURT ORDER that specifies he must pay this much from this date etc. So it’s just an agreement. Therefore there is nothing to ENFORCE as my stupid lawyer has not taken action to have it formally established so the PIG (sorry no insult to actual pigs) can’t harass me and get orgasms each time his check is late.
It is so weird that in November, he came to the FRONT DOOR and placed the envelope with the check inside my door smack dab on the first of the month. WTF? WHY that month but no other month.
I don’t know how I could have been married to this man for 20 years and remained sane? I don’t know if I was sleepwalking the whole time?
So some type of organization–is it DCF? that doesn’t sound right that’s for domestic violence I think–they will enforce the c.s. order, which, alas, I do not have.
Oxy, I think I will go consult with the other lawyer and ask him perhaps what would be high leverage actions to get the X Pig’s attention and show him loud and clear I am not afraid of his vampire lawyer.
I CAN’T WAIT TILL THIS IS OVER AND I AM FREE FROM THE BLOOD SUCKING SOUL SUCKING WOLF IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING PATHOLOGICAL LYING DEVIOUS CREEPY MALICIOUS VICIOUS FU@.......#ING CREEP OF AN EX PIG HUSBAND.
Actually I am mad that I am letting him push my buttons so that I feel cornered that I need to think like the above. I give him the power over me that way. I just want a technique to imagine him as a tiny tiny little doll that I can pick up with tips of fingers and place oh so gently in a teeny tiny little box and let him screech kick and scream his little psychopathic crap inside a tightly locked little box and leave him there till I want to give him any attention. FU#@.......ING PIG.
Dear Dancing,
LOL ROTFLMAO
Why don’t you treat yourself to an early christmas gift— take a face photo of him and get it color enlarged at one of the copy shops–then stop by a discount toy store or a Toy-R-Us and get yourself a nice DART BOARD, go home and hang that sucker on the back of your bedroom door, PUT THE ENLARGED PHOTO OF HIM ON IT, CLOSE THE DOOR—-and PRESTO!!! WHEN YOU ARE ANGRY JUST GO PLAY DARTS! LOL
I understand how you feel enraged and that is WHAT HE IS WANTING! So when you start to feel yourself sliding into that ANGER where you are CRAZY MODE, STOP—breathe!!! Say to yourself, I WILL NOT LET THIS JACK ASS CONTROL MY MIND…..then HUM, SING, OR WHATEVER SOME SONG, from Happy birthday to you, to counting multiplication tables, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK TWO THINGS AT ONCE, so if you are thinking or singing the FEELINGS WILL PASS, it takes about 60-90 seconds.
CONTROL!!!! YOU CAN DO IT!!!!! Breeatheeeeeee!