Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail. In it, I felt like I was reading a rerun of my experience.
I was involved with one of those 1 to 4% sociopaths/scammers you’ve outlined in your website.
I lost everything — Long story — you already know it — he was so charming — the love of my life — kind generous, giving, very sexy in and out of bed —
Anyways, it’s been just over 3 yrs (I was only with him 2 + yrs with a 3-month breakup period. Yep I took him back — Call me a LOSER now and hit the delete button — Wait, please don’t.) and I’m living in a mobile home park. Not any of the three properties I had on a golf course. Sold two of them and the third is heading for foreclosure. Put all the money 250K+ into a condo in Mexico and took loans out on my condo that I had paid off while I was selling new homes from ’95 -’05) the year I met him to pay for “our dream” — live in Mexico. I had an offer letter to work for the Four Seasons (selling luxury time shares — the interviews were long and the background check very extensive — I passed) and that would help pay the mortgage on the 3,000 sq. ft. beachfront condo WE bought — none of his money till he made some payments. And my job would hopefully cover his expenses of running his dream job of being a charter captain on a boat that we would lease from the person we bought the condo from — OMG — Thanks for listening. I need a support group to go to but I’d rather just be one-on-one and I’ve been to the therapists — they all (so far) just watch the clock and tell me stuff I already know.
Been extremely depressed — always suffered depression but was able to work and acquire my homes. Then, all of his promises and “deals” shot all my $$ and savings out the window — at a very high speed mind you.
How long does it take to get on with life?
My friends, which are fewer nowadays, say get over it and move on. But, I considered myself to be somewhat “street smart”. And so I continue to beat myself up for the horrific financial things I did and the mess I’m in. I know I need to accept some of the blame — but — he had the plan. I didn’t know his plan and went along with the Love sick person inside of me — finally, my ugh, prince had come — yada, yada, yada.
At the end (two weeks before our big move to start our new “fabulous” lives together I finally confronted him about his 150K in credit card debt. I have no idea why I didn’t run his credit before that close to our move — other than he was always paying for everything, including ALWAYS having to upgrade our flights to first class, etc — I thought he was just spoiling me — as he told me time and again — I deserved to be treated like a lady and he was going to be the one to do that — and claiming to pay off his cards monthly with his construction job.
By the way, yes he allowed me to run his credit one night when he was having one of his daily 6 Bud Lights. I’d gone to bed early — he came home beyond plastered, woke me up from a sound sleep and poured beer all over me — threw me to the ground and threatened to kill me (“Do you want me to kill you now?”) I responded two-fold. “Why are you wasting a beer?” and “No, I’d like to make it to my 43rd b-day.”
I called the police after he got up from holding me by my neck to the ground of our bedroom floor. I called a cab, as I’d already sold my sports car (as it wouldn’t have been too practical in Mexico) stayed in a motel for 2 weeks — next day called some movers and moved all my stuff to a storage — then after two weeks in “hiding” because I was afraid he’d go to my girlfriends homes looking for me. I stayed with a girlfriend until the tenants in my condo found a new place to move.
Sorry for rambling on — to repeat it’s been just over 3 yrs and I can remember everything like it was yesterday.
How long till I regain my life? I’m sure the answer is in ME — maybe a lobotomy? Please advise or let me know that I still have a life that’s worth living. I’ll be 46 in Feb. He’ll be turning 60 next yr.
Insidious tactic
This reader described in living color probably the most insidious tactic in the sociopathic arsenal: They target our dreams.
What better way to draw us in than to promise to make our deepest desires come true? How can we resist someone who wants what we want, and seemingly has the capacity to achieve it?
And how do the sociopaths know what we want? They ask us, and we tell them.
It happens early in the relationship, under the guise of “getting to know each other.” It goes something like this:
“So,” the sociopath asks, with pitch-perfect sincerity, “what do you really want in life?”
“I want a family before I get too old,” we reply. (Or, “I want to live on the beach on a tropical island.” Or, “I want to send my kids to a top college.” Or, “I want to retire while I’m still young enough to enjoy it.”)
“That’s what I want,” the sociopath replies, with a touch of feigned surprise. “We have so much in common. We must be meant for each other.”
Painful betrayal
Dreams explain one reason why the betrayal of the sociopath is so painful. Not only have they manipulated us, deceived us and stolen from us, but they used our own most treasured dreams to do it.
We have lost not only our love, money, time, home, and whatever else they have taken. We’ve lost our dreams. And that hurts.
Then, of course, comes the self-criticism. Why did we believe the sociopath? Why did we wait so long to check them out? Why didn’t we listen to people who warned us? Why didn’t we listen to ourselves?
Why? Because we wanted our dreams to come true.
It’s a brilliant tactic on the part of the predators. They use our dreams to hook us, and then because of our dreams, we don’t want to let go.
Recovery
So how, as this reader asks, do you move on in life? “I’m sure the answer is in me,” she writes.
She is right. A lobotomy is not necessary, but a “pain-ectomy” is. We have real, true, genuine pain because of what the sociopath did. In my opinion, we can’t analyze away the pain, or wish it away. Pain is emotional, and the only way to release it is emotional. We have to allow ourselves to experience it.
The only way out of the pain is through it.
This isn’t pretty. In my case, I spent a lot of time crying. To get out my anger, I imagined the con man’s face in a pillow, and beat it as hard as I could. Because our dreams were damaged, the pain goes deep, and releasing it is a process. We get rid of some, and more rises to take its place.
Eventually, however, we get to the point where we’ve cried all the tears and released all the anger. We get to the point of acceptance. Something awful happened, we had a part in it, but it’s time to move on.
Then we learn something about dreams. Dreams are linked to expectations, and expectations have a down side. Sometimes, if our expectations aren’t met, we feel like we’ve failed. Or, expectations blind us to other opportunities that may come our way. Because the new opportunities do not match our expectations, we don’t even see them.
Maybe we have to give up our original dreams. But that doesn’t mean there will never be dreams again. Perhaps something better, and more fulfilling, will come along, and because we are no longer looking to make a particular dream come true, we’ll see the new opportunity.
OxDrover, I am loving the DART BOARD game. You are a genius. I love it love it love it.
About the change channele and go to a happy place idea, when I remember to snap out of the psycho madwoman in the attic fang and claw hissing mode, I play some loud hip hop and dance if I have the energy. Some of them have kind of catchy or goofy lyrics that get planted and replace the psycho-madwoman-hissing words, such as “GETIN’ JIGGY WITH IT” the sillier the better. I get into my serious goofy burlesque femme fatale mode and prance around the house with attitude. LOL!!! Sshhhh dont tell anyone. LOL
I am so getting the dart board. It will be FUN to see his face with that sort of practice under my belt. Tomorrow daughter has a bb game. I am putting on my relaxed, happy as a clam, smiling face and GOING.
Maybe I should pack some pepper spray in case he approaches closer than 10 feet. $#^%#$%$#&
Dear Warrior,
Keep in mind, you are a WARRIOR not a wimp!!! Don’t know where EB is tonight but she’ll show up I bet sooner or later, it is Saturday night and I KNOW she doesn’t have a date, but she did have a “do” last night of some kind she went to, fancy do I think, so she may be tired out from her bouncy hair and reindeer hats and boas! LOL
Glad you liked the Dart board game idea! Just being SILLY but you know, being SILLY sometimes is good! Laughing is too! My gallows humor has saved me from despair lots of times.
Someone sent me a link today for a web site called “Prison talk” that is for families of prisoners—support for “waiting” or NOT “waiting” but information about people in prison and there was a post from 2003 (I imagine the woman is long gone now) about her son trying to kill her—and the person who sent me this link asked “Is this YOU?” The answer is NO, but I am NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD WHOSE SON TRIED TO KILL HER, and I am NOT the only one in the world who has a son in prison, there are MILLIONS of parents, old and young, rich and poor, educated and uneducated—IT IS NOT RARE, though I wish it was.
I wish this blog only had one or two posters as well…but unfortunately there are lots of psychopaths and each one has many victims, not just one, so victims outnumber psychopaths probably by 10s to 100s each.
Stay brave Warrior! Stay strong!!! and keep on keeping on! It WILL eventually end! (((hugs)))) and God bless.
My daughter and my ex husband both tried to kill me. gemXX
Dear Gem,
That anyone could reach out and want to shut off the spark of life in someone else —could hate that much for no reason, is not understandable to me. I guess they THINK they have a reason but I don’t see it except just wrath, anger and malice.
I’m glad they didn’t succeed.
Im glad too, Oxy, darlen!Were both meant to be here!
I was in so much denial{No, it aint a river in Egypt!!}that for years I blocked out that theyd both tried to kill me.
Wasnt till I went back to that house of horrors and saw the deep dent in the door jamb,{that could have been my head,}when my older spath D threw a red hot iron to my head.Im glad she missed but she and her twisted sister had me so gaslighted for so long, I started to imagine Id made it up!
It happened in 1980, and I didnt go back to my former home till
1989.Thats when I saw with my own eyes the dent level with my right temple,{the thinnest bone in the skull, and where my ex beat me with his closed fist in1981.}
Its hard to get our head around the fact they feel so much rage, hatred,and murderous fury at us. WHY? when all weve ever done was be good to them.
I dont buy this idea that they had deprived childhoods, -well maybe some kids had, but not ours.
Lotsa Love, gemXX
SKYLAR – I don’t know which thread you were posting on earlier (damn the broken search function!), so i will post here.
I am so glad you are posting your experience about boundaries.
We can learn and change; we don’t have to be a co/dependent children who know no/cannot speak our boundaries, and neither do we have to be the crazed, fortified shoppers. It’s about power. Is it internal and coming from your soul/ spirit/ self or ego driven and striving for control of self and the external world. Or is the locus of power external – the wishes of others controlling you, be they active in your life or in your mind (people pleasing selflessness).
IIt’s quite natural to go into ego mode when we are injured/ start to recover from grave emotional injury. We feel a need to protect ourselves and project fortifications of boundaries. (We tend also do this in areas we feel we do have some/ are allowed to have some ‘control’ in a landscape of a lack of impact on our own lives). In this mode we tend to overdue it: we lose the natural fluidity that our boundaries have – they shift with the people and experience at hand. To be driven by ego in this way (all ego is is an unbalanced desire to preserve some idea, belief, identity, etc.) is one manifestation of boundaries out of balance with the soul; another manifestation is the collapsed boundaries of a devalued , undeveloped or discarded self.
The crux of working with boundaries is power (be it ’power over’ or ’power from within’ (a 1980’s feminist concept). Do we try to control ourselves and/ or others, or are we responding from a balanced sense of self, protective of ourselves and others, and brokering no BS? The difference is whether we are driven by internal fear or a sense of internal safety.
We can learn to trust ourselves and create better boundaries – not rigid ones that don’t serve us, but good, labile boundaries, that are walls, doors or permeable veils, depending on what WE want and know to be good for us in each circumstance.
I have been driven by fear for quite a while now. It is fed every day, knowing that the next building i walk into or the next bus i get on may make me sick and jeopardize my cognitive ability and my ability to work. I don’t know how to get out of this one yet – the fear is based in reality. It ramps me up – but i need to learn to ramp it down, because it gives me a baseline of fear. it is counter intuitive to try to ramp it down – that sense of fear is a response to real threats – but i can’t cope with the adrenal depletion and physical pain that tension brings me (among other things).
This past week, I looked at my heart for a minute or two – she’s buried under a few layers of protection. she needs to breath again. it’s about trust. I am still, in many ways, a deer caught in the headlights. still freaked out about being hit by the spath car, and certain now that all cars are in fact, spath cars.
I met with a friend last night who has been going silent around me. This talk was a bit like the one i had with a close friend who had pulled away from me during the spathisode…and in thinking about these two conversations I notice that I have a new attitude. Last night, I was not so concerned with the other person’s feelings. I didn’t care that my anger showed. I didn’t try to be ‘reasonable’ or completely in control of myself or pretend that i can be much other than i am right now. I didn’t try to give a balanced ledger of responsibilities in the conflict. I did say, ‘you did X, and it wasn’t fair’; i did say,’ did you read the info i sent you on PTSD? (a baseline for the conversation was that she understand a bit about PTSD…she hadn’t read it.)’. I also said, ‘this is a dynamic, and we need to sort it. I am messed up, I am working on it, but it won’t change quickly, so it’s a given that I will do this again’; and ‘don’t analyze me!’ (she hadn’t read the PTSD stuff – and the moment she started to analyze me, I knew it) And I also said, ’even if i didn’t have PTSD and wasn’t struggling so much, I would still be irritated by X and Y.’
This time (not like the last time with now gone other friend) i am a bit willing to work on the relationship, not just chuck it, and that’s progress. There is more self definition (boundary!) apparent in my way of relating with this friend, or maybe it’s that my self definition has changed. I feel less exposed because I am not exposing as much of myself. I am bit surprised that i can get away with this…maybe i can’t, maybe i am being a jerk – but I do know I am going to keep trying these new boundaries. My pattern is usually ”“ get hurt, abused and then open up even more to show the other person that I have no weapons in my hand, because at heart everyone is just scared and if I look safe—”blah blah blah. I kid you not, that is my pattern. Well, I do have stones in my hands now, and I am not going to show open palms unless the other person shows me theirs.
I asked 2 things of her – read the PTSD stuff, and if i upset you or hurt your feelings, tell me. The very idea of that stressed her out. I told her that it won’t be a confrontation, just tell me ‘ow’. I told her that silence is a hard language to decipher and that i won’t try to – it stresses me out and triggers me like crazy.
NO MORE SILENCES, NO MORE INNUENDO, NO MORE VEILED NASTINESS IN MY RELATIONSHIPS. I’M NOT WORKING THAT HARD ANYMORE. I’M DONE.
Now, how do i bring this into my work life….where a couple of people are ‘behaving badly’? Challenge, #7,692.
I hope what I have written makes sense”it’s a bit convoluted.
gem – i don’t buy the childhood abuse story either. i think that we have genetic predispositions, and what happens to us may shape how/ when those predispositions manifest – not THAT they do.
I cannot imagine what one would have had to do to the spath to make her the lying evil C*** that she is….nope, not buying it.
“The lying, evil,C–t that she is”,–do you mean your ex spath sock puppet or my older spath D.?
Either way, they are both evil shits. Took me a long time to realise this.I kept making excuses for her.
My daughter, now 46. is a lying, evil psychopath. No empathy. no remorse, no finer feelings, no conscience, no humour.I have to forgive myself for being conned and overgiving to her for so long, for being gaslighted long before I even knew what gaslighting is.I think the most evil she has ever done to me was to destroy my paintings, as it felt like an attack on my very soul.
WTF drives these sub beings? Is it jealousy, envy,WHAT?? the nice r I was to her, the nastier it made her be to me.I havent seen her in 2 years.{it will be 2 years on 8th Dec. this year.}
And I dont miss her. Whats to miss?
being worried half to death? Conned out of huge sum of cash?
No, I dont miss her, and think of her less each day.
That C word, I found this in a notebook when spath D was 16,
“My lying, turd faced C–t of a so-called Mother.”
Charming, Huh?? NOT! !I did NOT deserve a daughter like her!
Love,
Mama Gem.XX Havea spath free day, TOWANDA for us!!
Dear One_step,
It makes PERFECT SENSE. Good for you!!!
Hi all,
I would like to address the writer……
Of course your life is worth living!
I, too, was so depressed at one time. I beat myself up for getting involved with him, for falling for his b.s. and not being smart enough to see it from the beginning. Yes, I accepted responsibility for my part in the whole disgusting thing. But I stopped banging my head against the wall wondering how I got to where I was. My part…..was that I was trusting a sociopath, but I didn’t know he was a sociopath. How would any of us know at first? I, personally had never run into such an evil person. Never phathomed that such evil existed within someone who acted so kind and loving at first. But now I know. Now we all know. And we can spot a spath a mile away!
Part of what helped me was finally not giving a crap what his opinion was. Who cares what he says about me? Does his opinion matter? He and his little posse of friends can talk all they want about me. I couldn’t care less because I know where it comes from. From the mouth of an evil pathological liar. All that matters is what I think of myself and know of myself.
I made it out alive and in one piece mentally. One of our last conversations right before he filed for divorce: He was yelling and said he wasn’t “Joe”, (which was my first husband of which he knew we had had a terrible and painful divorce). I told him he was not “Joe”, he was worse. Then he proceeded to tell me that I was not “Sally” (his first wife who ended up getting electric shock therapy and is still on heavy duty medication to this day) and that I could never fill her shoes. I responded that, no, I wasn’t Sally, and what would make you think I would want to fill her shoes. I will would never allow myself to go crazy for “you”.
That was it…….that was when the discard and throw me away phase began. He knew I was on to him……….
Afterwards, I survived living in the same house with him for a year and a half during our divorce. At the time I was terrified. Looking back now, it was comical. Early on, I learned to mirror image. We rarely spoke and lived in separate areas of the house. When he did say something to me, I gave him a blank poker face. I swore he would never know what I was thinking or feeling again. I would never show him anything….I knew if I did, he would use it against me. And with the divorce under way, I had to be extremely careful. I know he was getting angrier and angrier because he couldn’t read me anymore. I know not everyone could take the same course, some spaths might become physical. Don’t get me wrong, we had the police at home often. Like when he decided to empty the dining room and kitchen and put everything in the 3 car garage then proceeded to changes the locks on the garage. He even went through the trouble of covering the windows with black garbage bags. LOL, the police wouldn’t arrest me for the broken window like he wanted them to. And when he actually moved the thermostat to another area of the house and deadbolted the door that had access to it in the dead of winter while he stayed at his friends house. I knew I could be arrested for breaking the lock and entering the side of the house that he had exclusive use of through a court order. But if the door was completely missing there wouldn’t be any evidence of a broken lock, lol. Once again, the police couldn’t help him.
I guess, what I am trying to say is:
don’t ever let anyone take away your spirit and your will to live. Why would you give, “yet another thing” to your spath? You gave enough! Everything from here on is yours! Your life, your spirit, your being. Don’t ever let him have that power over you, again! Don’t let him be of any significance to who you are! You have gotten away from him! Do not leave the power with him. The power to still affect your life and your being! Take it, its yours. Run with it! Hold it close. And by doing so, he will melt away into the little insignificant ass**** that he is…………….poof!
All my love and best wishes!!!!