Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail. In it, I felt like I was reading a rerun of my experience.
I was involved with one of those 1 to 4% sociopaths/scammers you’ve outlined in your website.
I lost everything — Long story — you already know it — he was so charming — the love of my life — kind generous, giving, very sexy in and out of bed —
Anyways, it’s been just over 3 yrs (I was only with him 2 + yrs with a 3-month breakup period. Yep I took him back — Call me a LOSER now and hit the delete button — Wait, please don’t.) and I’m living in a mobile home park. Not any of the three properties I had on a golf course. Sold two of them and the third is heading for foreclosure. Put all the money 250K+ into a condo in Mexico and took loans out on my condo that I had paid off while I was selling new homes from ’95 -’05) the year I met him to pay for “our dream” — live in Mexico. I had an offer letter to work for the Four Seasons (selling luxury time shares — the interviews were long and the background check very extensive — I passed) and that would help pay the mortgage on the 3,000 sq. ft. beachfront condo WE bought — none of his money till he made some payments. And my job would hopefully cover his expenses of running his dream job of being a charter captain on a boat that we would lease from the person we bought the condo from — OMG — Thanks for listening. I need a support group to go to but I’d rather just be one-on-one and I’ve been to the therapists — they all (so far) just watch the clock and tell me stuff I already know.
Been extremely depressed — always suffered depression but was able to work and acquire my homes. Then, all of his promises and “deals” shot all my $$ and savings out the window — at a very high speed mind you.
How long does it take to get on with life?
My friends, which are fewer nowadays, say get over it and move on. But, I considered myself to be somewhat “street smart”. And so I continue to beat myself up for the horrific financial things I did and the mess I’m in. I know I need to accept some of the blame — but — he had the plan. I didn’t know his plan and went along with the Love sick person inside of me — finally, my ugh, prince had come — yada, yada, yada.
At the end (two weeks before our big move to start our new “fabulous” lives together I finally confronted him about his 150K in credit card debt. I have no idea why I didn’t run his credit before that close to our move — other than he was always paying for everything, including ALWAYS having to upgrade our flights to first class, etc — I thought he was just spoiling me — as he told me time and again — I deserved to be treated like a lady and he was going to be the one to do that — and claiming to pay off his cards monthly with his construction job.
By the way, yes he allowed me to run his credit one night when he was having one of his daily 6 Bud Lights. I’d gone to bed early — he came home beyond plastered, woke me up from a sound sleep and poured beer all over me — threw me to the ground and threatened to kill me (“Do you want me to kill you now?”) I responded two-fold. “Why are you wasting a beer?” and “No, I’d like to make it to my 43rd b-day.”
I called the police after he got up from holding me by my neck to the ground of our bedroom floor. I called a cab, as I’d already sold my sports car (as it wouldn’t have been too practical in Mexico) stayed in a motel for 2 weeks — next day called some movers and moved all my stuff to a storage — then after two weeks in “hiding” because I was afraid he’d go to my girlfriends homes looking for me. I stayed with a girlfriend until the tenants in my condo found a new place to move.
Sorry for rambling on — to repeat it’s been just over 3 yrs and I can remember everything like it was yesterday.
How long till I regain my life? I’m sure the answer is in ME — maybe a lobotomy? Please advise or let me know that I still have a life that’s worth living. I’ll be 46 in Feb. He’ll be turning 60 next yr.
Insidious tactic
This reader described in living color probably the most insidious tactic in the sociopathic arsenal: They target our dreams.
What better way to draw us in than to promise to make our deepest desires come true? How can we resist someone who wants what we want, and seemingly has the capacity to achieve it?
And how do the sociopaths know what we want? They ask us, and we tell them.
It happens early in the relationship, under the guise of “getting to know each other.” It goes something like this:
“So,” the sociopath asks, with pitch-perfect sincerity, “what do you really want in life?”
“I want a family before I get too old,” we reply. (Or, “I want to live on the beach on a tropical island.” Or, “I want to send my kids to a top college.” Or, “I want to retire while I’m still young enough to enjoy it.”)
“That’s what I want,” the sociopath replies, with a touch of feigned surprise. “We have so much in common. We must be meant for each other.”
Painful betrayal
Dreams explain one reason why the betrayal of the sociopath is so painful. Not only have they manipulated us, deceived us and stolen from us, but they used our own most treasured dreams to do it.
We have lost not only our love, money, time, home, and whatever else they have taken. We’ve lost our dreams. And that hurts.
Then, of course, comes the self-criticism. Why did we believe the sociopath? Why did we wait so long to check them out? Why didn’t we listen to people who warned us? Why didn’t we listen to ourselves?
Why? Because we wanted our dreams to come true.
It’s a brilliant tactic on the part of the predators. They use our dreams to hook us, and then because of our dreams, we don’t want to let go.
Recovery
So how, as this reader asks, do you move on in life? “I’m sure the answer is in me,” she writes.
She is right. A lobotomy is not necessary, but a “pain-ectomy” is. We have real, true, genuine pain because of what the sociopath did. In my opinion, we can’t analyze away the pain, or wish it away. Pain is emotional, and the only way to release it is emotional. We have to allow ourselves to experience it.
The only way out of the pain is through it.
This isn’t pretty. In my case, I spent a lot of time crying. To get out my anger, I imagined the con man’s face in a pillow, and beat it as hard as I could. Because our dreams were damaged, the pain goes deep, and releasing it is a process. We get rid of some, and more rises to take its place.
Eventually, however, we get to the point where we’ve cried all the tears and released all the anger. We get to the point of acceptance. Something awful happened, we had a part in it, but it’s time to move on.
Then we learn something about dreams. Dreams are linked to expectations, and expectations have a down side. Sometimes, if our expectations aren’t met, we feel like we’ve failed. Or, expectations blind us to other opportunities that may come our way. Because the new opportunities do not match our expectations, we don’t even see them.
Maybe we have to give up our original dreams. But that doesn’t mean there will never be dreams again. Perhaps something better, and more fulfilling, will come along, and because we are no longer looking to make a particular dream come true, we’ll see the new opportunity.
Warrior:
I’ll give this my opinion or understanding….i’m NOT an attorney and I don’t know what state your in.
First off…..you can NOT divide assets you don’t currently ‘own’. unless it’s royalties or such.
I wouldn’t think a retirement pension falls under royalties.
What if you became disabled tomorrow.
What if you died tomorrow?
All of those ‘projected’ figures change.
I think his attorney is REACHING…..far. Cut her arm off!
With facts.
Who gives a shit if she’s threatening trial….don’t worry about taht….we’ve already addressed that.
I believe she’s BLUFFING……on the pension game, with the threat of trial…
BUT….it’s not my divorce.
I’m glad your seeking a second op.
If your attorney is quiet and not vocal in your favor…..can him.
This is NOT the first time you’ve spoken about doubting your attorney!
If YOU have a letter from HIS father re: gifting you BOTH the house……DONE DEAL. A gift is a gift and that doesn’t change, no matter WHO it came from.
Pops can’t change his mind later…..the house belongs to you both. (assuming it’s titled in both names).
Especially if you can prove the loan was paid back using mutual funds.
Id’ ask the new attorney about legal basis for joint gifts…..showing her the document signed by the father/giftor.
I’d ask the attorney about present day divorce projecting income from your pension?
Also, Your financial advisor is adivising you….doesn’t seem practicing law to me.
Again, I see another bluff to scare you……spath KNOWS you have a timid personality…..guarentee he’s mentioned that to his attorney……and she’s exploiting that in you.
There really isn’t anything other than relying on the LAW to decide these things…….get clear on the legal status and it will take away the worry.
I’m glad you r meeting with new attorney….you need someone to stand up for ya!!
Good luck.
Warrior, I totally agree with EB about this, it sounds like a scare tactic—and in the past he has always succeeded in scaring you, so will continue to try…and that is what lawyers do, they are PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOPATHS working your fears and professional bluffers.
STAND your ground up to the last second before the judge walks in the door—it ain’t over til the fat lady sings, and the bluff til the last second ploy is one of the things they will use.
Good for you getting another opinion. Sometimes it is costly but worth it if the attorney you have isn’t doing the job he is paid for.
Put your ADAMANT ON and chin up and go gett’em!!!!
Just remember, whatever your decision is—and if you win or lose, don’t beat yourself up looking back—nothing is fool proof but we just do the best we can with what information we have. I think you are doing that—the best you can…that is all anyone can do! (((hugs)))) and my prayers.
EB,
I learned a few things from 2nd op guy:
1)Pops CAN testify at trial that he intended to gift the house only to his son. During marriage law treats family gifts as gifts, but in a divorce as loans. However, judges can treat the gift/loan very differently–some may deduct 5% for each year of marriage (making it a wash after a 20 yr marriage, which is the way special masters viewed it), and have a lot of leeway in how much of that gift to award the one spouse.
2) This was especially useful–just the facts ma’am. Judges in this state at least generally don’t count soc. security as part of assets. Period. That’s just how it is. I don’t have to like it, agree, or think it’s fair, but that’s how they treat it, so the judge that interpreted it this way was right. And it ain’t fair that though my pension benefit is almost the same as his s.s., still my pensions is counted as my present asset, though I can’t touch it today, and his doesn’t. It’s a very weird weird thing.
3) My lawyer said to write in $1/year of alimony to him, and same for me. Because after it’s impossible to change that if a need arises. I asked this guy is that standard, do I have to agree? Because x. likes to act incapacitated and his lawyer is milking “assuming he continues to work” and say that I bust my butt going to school and getting a better paying job later, and he wants to retire at 60 and pretend inability to work or poor health, then he can demand that I pay him alimony, since the $1/year is in the agreement. So I have to insist not to put it in, and vice versa, I don’t get to ever change that either if something were to happen to me.
Bottom line, I see that I have to come midway and offer somethign in between the last judge’s proposal and the prior masters’ proposal–otherwise, bluffing or not bluffing, the back and forth goes on and on, and legal bills add up, and I can’t rest.
I am emotionally exhausted. The grief is hitting me. I see a movie I used to watch with him and remember it like yesterday the scenes we laughed at, and the pain of loss hits me hard. Heaviness in the chest. Imminent panic at cutting off a whole part of my self that I formed and a whole life I built with and around him. With all the fighting and anger I haven’t had time to settle and feel the sadness.
Thanks for your response.
Dear Dancingwarrior,
I know you didn’t get all the information that you wanted from the 2nd opinion, but you did get some TRUTH and you needed to know that.
Accepting truth we don’t like isn’t easy (like a cancer diagnosis) but I think it is easier to accept that than to WONDER “do I have cancer?”
At least now you can make a decision based on what is likely to happen in court.
I know the exhaustion must be terrible, because we don’t get a chance to rest. To grieve, to think outside of the chaos.
God bless, and I hope you get some resolution soon. ((((Hugs))) and God bless.
dancing – let the grief come and wash over you. but when you are dealing with the ex put up your walls and be all about the business. you are doing so well, and have come so far. keep going.
“I am emotionally exhausted. The grief is hitting me. I see a movie I used to watch with him and remember it like yesterday the scenes we laughed at, and the pain of loss hits me hard. Heaviness in the chest. … all the fighting and anger I haven’t had time to settle and feel the sadness.”
We know sweetheart, we KNOW. xxxxxxxxxx (((((hugs)))))
You must trust us when we say this will pass for you.
I NEVER thought I’d be okay again. It is coming up for 4 years for me. I am still having trouble with him (like you, over property settlement stuff) but it no longer hurts me; there is no grief left and there has not been for a long, long time now. There are still triggers, I still occasionally lose the plot – but not badly and not for long anymore.
And the last time we were in court (6 days ago), although I lost the battle, I won the war – I faced him down and I looked him right in the eye and now he knows I AM NOT SCARED OF HIM ANYMORE!!!! Okay, so I still have to be cautious – he’s a nutcase and is capable of any number of vicious and awful things – but his verbal and written cruelty NO LONGER fazes me.
You WILL get where I am. All in time. xxx
((((Dancingwarrior))))
Thank you all for support.
What’s hard is learning to lean on myself completely–I don’t know now how to comfort myself, be there for myself, and when a panic over grief hits me, I want to leap out of myself and somehow in my irrational thinking I revert to the wrong belief that he was my friend/support.
The dangerous memories are those of comfortable, secure moments (like I’ll go to bed and remember his arm around me under my ribs, and maybe when things were good still, now safe I felt–now the emptiness triggers old fears from childhood).
The worst is the siren song, the fantasy, delusion of his having been a friend, and now my fear that I’ve lost a friend and won’t make it alone. I get all the twisted beliefs in my mind, but in my heart/feelings, it’s huge turmoil.
Saw my diary from EIGHT years ago–2002 I wrote about my hurt feelings over his telling me my hair smelled bad, and the therapist at the time losing it and telling him the smells stuff is cuckoo adn it’s off the table. Poor guy walked up to me and said may I smell your hair–and he did and said it is perfectly normal. I think back at the hurt–how brainwashed I became to actually give his weird obsessions attention and validity.
I hope I don’t withdraw from the world in distrust and fear. I have been resisting the grief since ’08 of separation, not believing it’s real. I fear that I won’d survive it I’ve been suppressing it so long.
Dear Warrior,
You HAVE SURVIVED, and you are thriving!
“Your hair smells bad”—what a crock of CHIT!!!! What a LIAR!!!
They will say anything to hurt our feelings or to make us feel badly, but you know we do NOT HAVE TO ALLOW IT!
You are doing well, you are doing better than surviving! He has NO ability to love or connect, and you do! He cannot take that away from you. He cannot develop that. You WIN! ((((hugs))))
DW – you really are going to be okay. you’ll wade through this and come out the better for it. I really don’t doubt this at all.
you have learned so much, and you keep getting stronger. and it is because you are becoming more and more self reliant and learning so much about how to stand for yourself, that you are now feeling this pain of grief. it is real, and you know it now, feeling it will not kill you, but keeping it bottled up might.
let it out as you can – you probably can contain it to some degree. look online for some grief work exercises, doing some very targeted work may help a lots. and some exercises on self care, and inner child care wold be useful also.
i can only say over and over that you have grown so much. i know you are still in the thick of it, but it will end, and you have been marvelous. i have faith in you – you keep going forward, even though you are scared and doubting yourself – that’s how we build confidence. you might not see your progress, but we do.
i am proud of you.