Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail. In it, I felt like I was reading a rerun of my experience.
I was involved with one of those 1 to 4% sociopaths/scammers you’ve outlined in your website.
I lost everything — Long story — you already know it — he was so charming — the love of my life — kind generous, giving, very sexy in and out of bed —
Anyways, it’s been just over 3 yrs (I was only with him 2 + yrs with a 3-month breakup period. Yep I took him back — Call me a LOSER now and hit the delete button — Wait, please don’t.) and I’m living in a mobile home park. Not any of the three properties I had on a golf course. Sold two of them and the third is heading for foreclosure. Put all the money 250K+ into a condo in Mexico and took loans out on my condo that I had paid off while I was selling new homes from ’95 -’05) the year I met him to pay for “our dream” — live in Mexico. I had an offer letter to work for the Four Seasons (selling luxury time shares — the interviews were long and the background check very extensive — I passed) and that would help pay the mortgage on the 3,000 sq. ft. beachfront condo WE bought — none of his money till he made some payments. And my job would hopefully cover his expenses of running his dream job of being a charter captain on a boat that we would lease from the person we bought the condo from — OMG — Thanks for listening. I need a support group to go to but I’d rather just be one-on-one and I’ve been to the therapists — they all (so far) just watch the clock and tell me stuff I already know.
Been extremely depressed — always suffered depression but was able to work and acquire my homes. Then, all of his promises and “deals” shot all my $$ and savings out the window — at a very high speed mind you.
How long does it take to get on with life?
My friends, which are fewer nowadays, say get over it and move on. But, I considered myself to be somewhat “street smart”. And so I continue to beat myself up for the horrific financial things I did and the mess I’m in. I know I need to accept some of the blame — but — he had the plan. I didn’t know his plan and went along with the Love sick person inside of me — finally, my ugh, prince had come — yada, yada, yada.
At the end (two weeks before our big move to start our new “fabulous” lives together I finally confronted him about his 150K in credit card debt. I have no idea why I didn’t run his credit before that close to our move — other than he was always paying for everything, including ALWAYS having to upgrade our flights to first class, etc — I thought he was just spoiling me — as he told me time and again — I deserved to be treated like a lady and he was going to be the one to do that — and claiming to pay off his cards monthly with his construction job.
By the way, yes he allowed me to run his credit one night when he was having one of his daily 6 Bud Lights. I’d gone to bed early — he came home beyond plastered, woke me up from a sound sleep and poured beer all over me — threw me to the ground and threatened to kill me (“Do you want me to kill you now?”) I responded two-fold. “Why are you wasting a beer?” and “No, I’d like to make it to my 43rd b-day.”
I called the police after he got up from holding me by my neck to the ground of our bedroom floor. I called a cab, as I’d already sold my sports car (as it wouldn’t have been too practical in Mexico) stayed in a motel for 2 weeks — next day called some movers and moved all my stuff to a storage — then after two weeks in “hiding” because I was afraid he’d go to my girlfriends homes looking for me. I stayed with a girlfriend until the tenants in my condo found a new place to move.
Sorry for rambling on — to repeat it’s been just over 3 yrs and I can remember everything like it was yesterday.
How long till I regain my life? I’m sure the answer is in ME — maybe a lobotomy? Please advise or let me know that I still have a life that’s worth living. I’ll be 46 in Feb. He’ll be turning 60 next yr.
Insidious tactic
This reader described in living color probably the most insidious tactic in the sociopathic arsenal: They target our dreams.
What better way to draw us in than to promise to make our deepest desires come true? How can we resist someone who wants what we want, and seemingly has the capacity to achieve it?
And how do the sociopaths know what we want? They ask us, and we tell them.
It happens early in the relationship, under the guise of “getting to know each other.” It goes something like this:
“So,” the sociopath asks, with pitch-perfect sincerity, “what do you really want in life?”
“I want a family before I get too old,” we reply. (Or, “I want to live on the beach on a tropical island.” Or, “I want to send my kids to a top college.” Or, “I want to retire while I’m still young enough to enjoy it.”)
“That’s what I want,” the sociopath replies, with a touch of feigned surprise. “We have so much in common. We must be meant for each other.”
Painful betrayal
Dreams explain one reason why the betrayal of the sociopath is so painful. Not only have they manipulated us, deceived us and stolen from us, but they used our own most treasured dreams to do it.
We have lost not only our love, money, time, home, and whatever else they have taken. We’ve lost our dreams. And that hurts.
Then, of course, comes the self-criticism. Why did we believe the sociopath? Why did we wait so long to check them out? Why didn’t we listen to people who warned us? Why didn’t we listen to ourselves?
Why? Because we wanted our dreams to come true.
It’s a brilliant tactic on the part of the predators. They use our dreams to hook us, and then because of our dreams, we don’t want to let go.
Recovery
So how, as this reader asks, do you move on in life? “I’m sure the answer is in me,” she writes.
She is right. A lobotomy is not necessary, but a “pain-ectomy” is. We have real, true, genuine pain because of what the sociopath did. In my opinion, we can’t analyze away the pain, or wish it away. Pain is emotional, and the only way to release it is emotional. We have to allow ourselves to experience it.
The only way out of the pain is through it.
This isn’t pretty. In my case, I spent a lot of time crying. To get out my anger, I imagined the con man’s face in a pillow, and beat it as hard as I could. Because our dreams were damaged, the pain goes deep, and releasing it is a process. We get rid of some, and more rises to take its place.
Eventually, however, we get to the point where we’ve cried all the tears and released all the anger. We get to the point of acceptance. Something awful happened, we had a part in it, but it’s time to move on.
Then we learn something about dreams. Dreams are linked to expectations, and expectations have a down side. Sometimes, if our expectations aren’t met, we feel like we’ve failed. Or, expectations blind us to other opportunities that may come our way. Because the new opportunities do not match our expectations, we don’t even see them.
Maybe we have to give up our original dreams. But that doesn’t mean there will never be dreams again. Perhaps something better, and more fulfilling, will come along, and because we are no longer looking to make a particular dream come true, we’ll see the new opportunity.
Dear MissouriJewel, Nancy,
Thank you so much! And I am so glad that you are healing at last!
I am so glad that you were finally able to confront the person who said those terrible words to your father’s daughter. To that child I am sure he adored. WHAT A WASTE! It is amazing though how some people have to find SOMEONE to blame for things…even and innocent child…instead of blaming the person who actually killed him.
The what ifs, and the why nots, and all the other things that could have been but weren’t…those things that were NOT, are NOT to blame for what happens in this life. I am so sorry that you experienced such a blow. You know that you did NOT deserve that—or the life that you gave yourself because of that blame….
Thank you for sharing your growth with us, you sound like you are finally putting the pieces of the puzzle together to form a wonderful picture of yourself. Congratulations! Stick around, I think you have a wise head and some good advice for the rest of us! (((hugs)))
Ps. I’m glad I make you smile! I laugh a lot at myself too!
To TRIAL or not to TRIAL? EB, Matt?? People with trial knowledge?
It appears the H’s lawyer is “winning” in her arguments as she has convinced one judge to side with her, in H’s favor, and she pushes hard on two big issues, though one is based on a guess not evidence.
After the pre-trial judge’s recommendation, I feel defeated and helpless. This makes me more stubborn on principle and I am thinking to risk losing lots by going to trial for the sake of having my “day in court.”
We are not arguing over a LOT of money. I may stand to lose all that we are disagreeing over, or more, if we go to trial–with the lawyer’s time at court, and judge’s unfair or biased decision.
So why would I want to do it?
Just sheer rage at being bullied and pushed around in the so called negotiations.
One circular issue is whether my pension should be counted toward my total assets. He says yes, bec. it is higher than his soc. security; bec. if I die tomorrow there is a lump sum to be left to a beneficiary. I say no, bec. his social security is listed as zero though he, too, has contributed to it; bec. I CANNOT take money from my pension now; and if I quit my job and take the money, then I don’t get any pension at retirement, and in my state teachers don’t get ANY soc. security; and bec. he hasn’t shown a current statement of his current monthly benefit, so we can’t compare my benefit to a zero, because his isn’t a zero.
Everyone believes the other atty’s logic, including the judge.
Issue two: If they do supply the soc. sec. statement and their argument proves moot bec. his is higher or equal to mine, so it’s a wash of those two assets, then she’ll push on the house being gifted by his father and he deserving a larger equity at least equal to the half of the gift. She’s been pushing that like a bulldog.
So he’s fighting hard to come out with MORE than me in the end, by my paying him a bigger chunk of equity.
Meanwhile our monthly/yearly incomes are disparate, and I am not asking to equalize that with alimony. Even after child support, he makes significantly more than me.
So if he won’t settle to be even, I don’t want to back down and let him have more than me. I feel it would be one last and permanent way that he’d screw me over, have the last word, win, dominate or control me. It’s about more than money.
And I think why would I really want to go to trial?
I can’t imagine how stressful and embarrassing it would be. But for whom? Would a narcissist really want to be exposed for all his lousy behaviors in public in a court of law? I’ve seen him in court before when we sued a contractor that built a leaky chimney, and he was scared of judges. So do I have an upper hand in court just because I am not scared of the law?
He has been arrested many times as a youth for drugs. His dad expunged the FBI records. But since then he fears the law, cops, courts, judges. I believe he’d rather avoid them. And I believe he’d rather avoid the cost of trial.
IF we went to trial, what could I actually say to damage his credibility and reputation?
In comparison, with women being phsyically abused, would my story seem petty?
YOur honor, he called me names. DOes that sound ludicrous?
Your honor, he locked me out f the house. Rejected me sexually. Used humiliating insults to reject me. Physically threatened me with fast driving in a car, punching holes in walls, grabbing me by the neck, breaking down a door jamb. Would I bring witnesses? Therapists protect confidentiality I believe, so one of them couldn’t testify about his violent sexual fantasies of rape, but I could.
I don’t even know if I could use information from his youth about drug arrests, especially if records are expunged. It may not be pertinent to the marriage.
I also wonder how he could sling mud to tarnish my reputation and make me look bad. Would this be woth it, to have to answer nasty questions in public?
I can’t tell if he’d back down and settle just due to his fear of exposure? The bad thing is that he has had a GOOD experience in court last time and may be encouraged.
I know most cases don’t goto trial. BUT. What if I just don’t want to give in to his unfair terms and be taken advantage of?
Anyone with trial experience, tell me what you know, please.
Dear MissouriJewel, I restore antique lighting as a hobby and to resell (as well as other creative outlets). Your shades are GORGEOUS…FAB!
I love the whimsy! Always wanted to try to work in stained glass. I’m a long time solderer (Government, and commercial oil rig control panels), and fix my own copper pipe. Figured that someday I’d like to give it a try. Very inspiring!
Dear WArrior,
Darling, I can’t answer your questions to trial or not to trial, all I can say is I HEAR YA BABE! I understand it isn’t all about money. THAT IS FOR SURE!
The thing I DO know about is “horse trading” though and right up until you go in the courtroom door—up to that POINT in time, the negotiating is WHO WILL SAY CHICKEN FIRST! Who wants to go to trial the least? Who has the most to lose? Who will cave first? You are like two kids behind the wheels of their jaloppies and headed head on—who will swerve first? Or do you both go head on killing you both? Or killing one or the other of you?
I don’t know and neither do you…it is just a question of playing chicken with the money and the “win” or “lose” thing. Which is most important to whom.
I lost like a big dog in court on my divorce settlement (he and his witnesses LIED LIKE RUGS!) and you know, I came out with my under ware, the cat, the dog and a 10 year old truck and NOTHING ELSE except the 2 kids, but I managed. So in the end, no one can really PREDICT what they will do, will they swerve or not? Should we swerve or not? You just have to decide what is the most important to YOU and then go for it.
AND I say this, ONCE YOU HAVE MADE A FINAL DECISION—win or lose, do NOT GO BACK AND BEAT YOURSELF UP AND SAY “OH, I SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT” THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. No matter what happens you made your “best guess” so don’t boink yourself after wards if it turned out to be wrong. Hind sight is 20/20 always! (((Hugs))))
Warrior
We both know the answer to your question, don’t we?
Look at your name.
It doesn’t say “Settler” up there. 🙂
besides Oxy is probably right that they are testing your mettle.
Make it CLEAR that you are SO looking forward to going to court. It could inspire a better offer.
Usually it’s not a good idea to let emotion get the upper hand.
Anger is the main motivator why I’d go to court.
I read it may take 3 months to set a trial date–to allow preparation or get witnesses, though not sure.
If I had to prolong this another 3 months, to February, and prolong my anxiety and stress, not sure it’s worth it.
He loves battle. Do I give him the satisfaction by engaging? Or walk away and keep my peace let him have money.
His father went to court to contest his dead wife’s parents’ will, and spent $40K on lawyers and lost. Just out of spite. I am not sure if he would do the same, especially since he does NOT have the money for lawyers. . .
My life is a wreck. Divorce is horrible.
Dang! I hate it when I miss a coupla days on here! There’s SO MUCH GOOD STUFF to catch up on!
Ima start by posting this article in yesterday’s NYT, just becuz there was some discussion earlier about narcissists:
“The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (due out in 2013, and known as DSM-5) has eliminated five of the 10 personality disorders that are listed in the current edition.
Narcissistic personality disorder is the most well-known of the five, and its absence has caused the most stir in professional circles.
Most nonprofessionals have a pretty good sense of what narcissism means, but the formal definition is more precise than the dictionary meaning of the term.
Our everyday picture of a narcissist is that of someone who is very self-involved the conversation is always about them. While this characterization does apply to people with narcissistic personality disorder, it is too broad. There are many people who are completely self-absorbed who would not qualify for a diagnosis of N.P.D. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/health/views/30mind.html
Dear Warrior,
“Divorce is horrible” OH, HOW RIGHT YOU ARE!!!
MY guess (and that is a WAG –wild ass guess) is that if he “does not have money for lawyers” he will settle BEFORE court, but My guess is too that it will drag out til the LAST POSSIBLE SECOND BEFORE THE JUDGE SITS DOWN….I know you are in a hurry to get this OVER WITH, but that is what they are hoping you will do is cave and settle to just “get it over with”—it is one of the tactics, but at the end of the day ONLY YOU CAN DECIDE IF IT IS WORTH IT.
You are right, control of your emotions and anger is a biggie–is very important in making decisions.
BREATHE–breathe!!!! Go get a massage! Relax, breathe!!! Get another massage.
I sent for a book about Oxytocin (the bonding hormone and the hormone for peace and calm) is released by touch, and massage is great for that! Hug your son, hugs your friends, get a massage and do your best to just sit back and JUST CALMLY let HIM SWEAT!
Dear WhyMe,
We miss you too. There are some articles here and Donna and Liane did a survey which was sent to the group working on the DSM V—and it isn’t GREAT but it is in many ways PROGRESS. There have in my opinion been TOO MANY divisions of different PDs which are so overlapping as to be meaningless.
Don’t be gone so long next time! Takes too long to catch up!
Hi whyme
I read that article.
I think they removed NPD so they wouldn’t have to diagnose the entire population of the US with it. Sooner or later the insurance companies would get dragged in…LOL
There was an interesting link with a test for personality disorders somewhere on that article. My BF and I had fun taking it.