By Ox Drover
Donna’s great article about Victory, of a sort, over a sociopath the other day got me to thinking.
Just what is “victory?”
My wonderful stepfather was a young basketball coach when he got his first real job coaching for a very small rural school which had not had a winning game in over a decade. The team was dispirited and had no real expectation of ever winning a game.
One of the local coaches bragged that he would beat them “by a hundred points!” at the next game. The team thought there was a good possibility that that coach’s team could do just that. However, it is “good sportsmanship” for a coach playing a much weaker team to let their second, third, and fourth strings get a chance to play, and to win over the weaker team, but not “tromp” them.
Daddy thought this other coach’s brag to stomp and tromp his team was poor sportsmanship so he made a plan. When the fourth quarter started and Daddy’s team had the ball, they “froze” it (which was legal in the game then) and wouldn’t either shoot the ball or take a chance on losing it, so passed the ball from one of Daddy’s team members to another the entire quarter. They didn’t make any points, but they kept the other team from even getting their hands on the ball the entire quarter, and thus making points against them. Daddy’s team didn’t win, but the other coach didn’t win by his “hundred points” either. That little team went on the next year to win their division championship because of the confidence that Daddy inspired in them.
Sometimes “winning” or “victory” can be interpreted in different ways. I’m also reminded of the old Country and Western song, the “Winner” where an older man and a younger man are in a bar talking. The younger man wants to be a “winner” in bar fight brawls, and the older man is educating him on what is “winning” and what isn’t.
Sure, you can get into a fight and you may inflict more damage on your opponent than he inflicts on you in the fight, but like the old man said, “He gouged out my eye, but I won.” Sometimes it is better to walk away from a fight and not lose more than you have already lost, or allow your opponent to take another “pound of flesh” in your attempts to “get justice.”
It isn’t always about getting what you deserve, or victory over them, or even seeing that they get “what they so richly deserve,” sometimes, I think, “winning” simply means keeping them from taking more out of you and, like Daddy’s team, “freezing the ball.” Sometimes, it is like the would-be barroom brawler, walking away (intact) with the other guy yelling curses in your direction.
It is emotionally tough to watch a cheater “get away with it” when they have ripped us off, and go “waltzing away” unscathed and apparently the victor. It eats at our sense of fairness to let them “succeed” and not pay a price for their bad behavior.
Yet, sometimes, “discretion is the better part of valor” to use an old phrase, or to “be a live dog, rather than a dead lion,” and “retreat and live to fight another day.”
Those victims who are not able to fight for a “victory” of any sort, I don’t think need to feel that they have “failed” because they chose not to fight the sociopath.
Too many times fighting the psychopaths are like “fighting a circular saw,” as my grandmother would have said. It “just isn’t worth it,” because the damage to yourself will be worse than you can possibly inflict on the psychopath. They stack the odds so in their own favor, that even if you “win,” you end up like the old brawler sitting in the barroom, broken and so gravely injured yourself in your effort to gain a “victory, of sorts” that in retrospect the price was too high.
Sometimes, it is better to walk away a “loser” but still intact, and with your head held high, using the energy and resources you have left to focus on healing yourself, on recovering what you have lost in terms of finances and strength, and take care of yourself. To me that is also a “viable victory.”
That’s the husband I left 20 yaers ago, that lives in the same town as I do, that I still see on Holidays and family birthdays and such. Just saw him on Sunday for my GD’s 2nd birthday. His big thing was telling me I ought to be gratefull. Over and over again, I ought to be gratfull. I had two small daughters when he met me, and I guess he thought he rescued me. Anyway, I went on to find biigger and badder P’s…At least he worked to support us. The last one was a total parasite.
I guess I’m a little confuse, to this day aboout the Navy XN. I call him an N cause he wasn’t anywhere near as sorry as the P.
Sorry, Petra, this response seemed to become all about me. You just really triggerd the memories of what it was like…
Petra… thank YOU for sharing your story and for acknolwedging the support that you have gained from this site. I hope that this is just the beginning of the support you deserve and need… this is the best place to “go” when you are tired and worn down and need an infusion of strength to keep moving forward in recovery. Although all of our stories are sad, devastating, and ultimately, inspiring in term of the strength that evolves, I’d just like to validate that stories like yours are sad in yet another way… as someone else said the military is filled with S/N/Ps — as I have learned the very nature of the military system can and does support and “camoflauge” them to their advantage. The sad part is that these dangerous disturbed people are “masquerading” as men of honor and courage and heroes ( sp?) – the vey antithesis of who they really are. This is not only a disservice to those who truly serve with honor and dignity, but is also gives new meaning to the “mask if sanity” and gives them a convenient excuse or two for their antisocial behavior. My ex S is the poster boy for manipulating the system, using it to his advantage, and running away to war and conquest when life is too tough or boring, and chalking up all his dysfunction to exaggerated claims of PTSD…
Yes indeed, they are an interesting breed.
Again many hugs, much strength, and continued healing thoughts to you, Petra…
Hecate’s Path
Thank you all for taking the time to respond so quickly. There is never any need to apologize for sharing your stories – it is the thread that bonds us. I was a “Commander’s Wife” (not the title I chose for myself) and had to listen to hundreds of heart breaking stories and help sooth their soul …but, for some reason – the mind forgets the bad things or tries to justify what has happened…I was so involved in helping “others” during the war – I didn’t pay attention to my own pain. Very few people know what goes on in the military…women and children are psychologically, verbally, spiritually, sexually abused at a much higher percentage as the general population. The world cannot imagine the pain and suffering. When I see the the “happy home coming reunions” on television…soldiers coming back as heroes…I want to scream: “You people don’t know what really happenes…most of these families will never recover from this. ” Hecates – you are so right “…The sad part is that these dangerous disturbed people are “masquerading” as men of honor….” I could write a book about the things I saw and heard. As far as it concerned me – being a military wife made me lose my “self worth” – my “direction” – my “spirit”… I was labeled a “dependent”…I was not allowed to make decisions without my “sponsor’s” approval… I wasn’t allowed to speak up…and when I did – I was being “punished” with the “silence treatment”. wasn’t allowed to pursue my own goals. I had just graduated from Art School in New York and was visiting my family in Germany – when – on one fateful night at the Officer’s Club – I ran into the man that was going to destroy me. I was self assured…confident…strong…and vulnerable (I was in the middle of getting divorced from a four year marriage – and no, my first husband was not a Sociopath…he was an addict – sigh)… Slowly, ever so slowly my officer and gentleman started to chip away at my self esteem. But, that wasn’t until later. I had to fly back to New York to deal with my divorce, my job and my home.
I have to go see my therapist…but, would like to thank you all for your comments. There was a reason I reached out after so many years…I am strong – but, don’t always feel as if I can make it another day. There is so much at stake – mostly my integrity. I have known of so many women who gave up – and I promised myself to stand up to him. This once. He has been counting on me to give up – and I have to remind myself every day – that I am still standing.
Have a wonderful day.
Oxy, thanks so much for the updates on Lily. How awful about her heart! Poor lady. I am definitely keeping her in my thoughts and prayers.
Peta06, your story is heartbreaking and I am so very sorry for what you’ve been through. Though I am finally starting to recover from my entanglement with an S – the main attack took place several years ago now – it is still just so unbelievably creepy to realize the depth of malice and the genuine delight they find in taking someone down. The P in my life was a therapist, and I honestly believe he was doing his best to destroy my sanity and push me into a suicide attempt (though he was not my therapist; just one of my closest and most trusted “friends.”). And all I ever did for this guy was give him free consulting in the area of my expertise (looking back, I think he was jealous of what I had accomplished in my field, even though, of course, he ended up in a much more prestigious position, partly thanks to me; I believe that he felt he needed to destroy me because of my help and pretend like I’d never had anything to do with his success). Amazing. Still, I feel lucky that he wasn’t my partner, as I do think that having some emotional distance helped to protect me. And I’m very fortunate that I haven’t ended up with the financial devastation that so many targets have. I do also feel fortunate to have escaped with a shred of sanity, though it has been a very long, hard road to get back to any semblance of emotional health and strength. And I haven’t been through a fraction of what you’ve been through.
Hang in there. There is terrific advice and support here. A true community, even for those of us who are not regulars. Sending love to you all; I’m so grateful for all your help.
Petra…you write beautifully and articulate the pain so well. You have suffered so much. The path is hard, but you are on the right on to regain your joy and happiness. I’m so sorry all of this happened to you. Stay strong!
LATEST ON LILY:
I just spoke to lily, she is having an angiogram on her heart in about 15 minutes, it will take an hour and a half, and I will give you results as soon as I get them.
She DID apparently have another heart attack and they are worried about her heart being up to the colon surgery on Friday. She had waffled and told her kids about her cancer and so on, then yesterday had a “good” conversation with her one daughter, but then today, she found out that her kids had told her X about her cancer even though they had promised her they would NOT–she is back at NO CONTACT with them again, but her heart is crying and she waffles a bit, Don’t we all?
Please pray for her PEACE OF MIND. She verbalizes what her kids are but it is so difficult to turn it loose emotionally, don’t we know that one!?
Anyway, I will hopefully speak to her again this evening later if she isn’t too doped up. At least by tomorrow. I wish I could go out there to hold her hand, but can’t do it right now, but will be there by phone as frequently as possible.
I conveyed your thoughts, good wishes, and prayers for her to her and she said to tell you that she loves you all so much! it’s odd to say to people you have never met and probably never will “I love you” but I know it is sincere in her case!
I think we all have known what it is to be “alone” in our grief and pain from the psychopaths in our lives, but I know that LF and all you wonderful peeps have been of so much genuine comfort to her and that means so very much to me. thaks and God bless you all for your compassion and support of this dear little lady! Love Oxy
Oxy, I haven’t had very many interchanges with Lily, but your last post brought me to tears. I will say my old fashioned christian prayers for lilly and also send her my new aged white light for healing. You make me wish I could be there, too, holding her hand. She deserves to have a few years that are peace filled and happy!!!
Oxy, thanks for keeping us updated.
please tell Lily that it doesn’t matter that the empty suit knows. In fact he SHOULD know that Lily views the tumor as symbolic of him and that the removal is the final link to break from him and the past.
Dear Kim and Skylar,
Thank you both and everyone else for the prayers and good wishes for Lily, yes, she DOES DESERVE some peace in her life, and it breaks my heart she hasn’t been able to acheive it yet. I’ve cried buckets for her. Heck, I’ve cried buckets for everyone on here and for myself too. WE ALL deserve to be treated with respect.
She knows that she has people praying for her all over the US and the world, and believe it or not, it means a great deal to her and comforts her. she is the “sister of my heart” though we are of no genealogical relationship, we have shared so much pain we are ‘trauma bonded” I guess you could call it for lack of a better word. she has a humble and kind spirit, she’s just held out what she and I call the “malignant hope” for a reconciliation with her children right up until now.
When I finally gave up that Malignant hope for my own son, I almost immediately came to peace with it….like Louise said in today’s post, I quit lying to MYSELF…and it is only when we quit doing tht that we CAN acheive peace. Louise’s post was a good one and I will read it to Lily when I talk to her. It is a lesson we ALL need to hear, though maybe we dont’ want to hear it, but when we get it “through our thick skulls” as MaryJo B said, then we can heal. Prayers for us all.
Dear Oxy and everyone, Thank you, Oxy on this update on dear Lily. Yes, its so sad. she has had far more than her share of terrible trauma in her life, the worst to her, I suspect, being the malignant hope she has had,{and maybe still has,} that her 4 adult kids love and care about her. I was able to get her Email address via Donna a couple of months back, and weve been corresponding.She knows I have a similar situation re my daughters, so that is our “trauma bond.” A few weeks ago, I sent her a green glass necklace with tiny butterflies.in a little green velvet pouch, and she loved it so much! She said she was going to wear it with her Mothers jade earrings, when she went to see her doctor, and that it made her feel so loved, and cherished . She told me shed not had a gift or even a card from her kids in 7 long years. Like you, Ive been praying for her every night,I hope she pulls through. Her faith in jesus is very strong.
Im glad that I was able to do a small something to make her feel good!Ive also been sending her pretty cards each week, which she said she loved and is displaying round her house.
Its not much but I hope she feels the love I send her. Much love and {{{HUGS}}} gem.XX