By Ox Drover
Donna’s great article about Victory, of a sort, over a sociopath the other day got me to thinking.
Just what is “victory?”
My wonderful stepfather was a young basketball coach when he got his first real job coaching for a very small rural school which had not had a winning game in over a decade. The team was dispirited and had no real expectation of ever winning a game.
One of the local coaches bragged that he would beat them “by a hundred points!” at the next game. The team thought there was a good possibility that that coach’s team could do just that. However, it is “good sportsmanship” for a coach playing a much weaker team to let their second, third, and fourth strings get a chance to play, and to win over the weaker team, but not “tromp” them.
Daddy thought this other coach’s brag to stomp and tromp his team was poor sportsmanship so he made a plan. When the fourth quarter started and Daddy’s team had the ball, they “froze” it (which was legal in the game then) and wouldn’t either shoot the ball or take a chance on losing it, so passed the ball from one of Daddy’s team members to another the entire quarter. They didn’t make any points, but they kept the other team from even getting their hands on the ball the entire quarter, and thus making points against them. Daddy’s team didn’t win, but the other coach didn’t win by his “hundred points” either. That little team went on the next year to win their division championship because of the confidence that Daddy inspired in them.
Sometimes “winning” or “victory” can be interpreted in different ways. I’m also reminded of the old Country and Western song, the “Winner” where an older man and a younger man are in a bar talking. The younger man wants to be a “winner” in bar fight brawls, and the older man is educating him on what is “winning” and what isn’t.
Sure, you can get into a fight and you may inflict more damage on your opponent than he inflicts on you in the fight, but like the old man said, “He gouged out my eye, but I won.” Sometimes it is better to walk away from a fight and not lose more than you have already lost, or allow your opponent to take another “pound of flesh” in your attempts to “get justice.”
It isn’t always about getting what you deserve, or victory over them, or even seeing that they get “what they so richly deserve,” sometimes, I think, “winning” simply means keeping them from taking more out of you and, like Daddy’s team, “freezing the ball.” Sometimes, it is like the would-be barroom brawler, walking away (intact) with the other guy yelling curses in your direction.
It is emotionally tough to watch a cheater “get away with it” when they have ripped us off, and go “waltzing away” unscathed and apparently the victor. It eats at our sense of fairness to let them “succeed” and not pay a price for their bad behavior.
Yet, sometimes, “discretion is the better part of valor” to use an old phrase, or to “be a live dog, rather than a dead lion,” and “retreat and live to fight another day.”
Those victims who are not able to fight for a “victory” of any sort, I don’t think need to feel that they have “failed” because they chose not to fight the sociopath.
Too many times fighting the psychopaths are like “fighting a circular saw,” as my grandmother would have said. It “just isn’t worth it,” because the damage to yourself will be worse than you can possibly inflict on the psychopath. They stack the odds so in their own favor, that even if you “win,” you end up like the old brawler sitting in the barroom, broken and so gravely injured yourself in your effort to gain a “victory, of sorts” that in retrospect the price was too high.
Sometimes, it is better to walk away a “loser” but still intact, and with your head held high, using the energy and resources you have left to focus on healing yourself, on recovering what you have lost in terms of finances and strength, and take care of yourself. To me that is also a “viable victory.”
And I “get” the humor, but you are not invisible!! I am! HA Ha 🙂
Since the horrible outburst{several of them}, by the invisible sociopath a couple of days ago, Ive been very uneasy about LF.It was like bathing in liquid sewage. Im glad Donna removed it, and I “GET ” that you DO NOT engage with this moron. However, that said, I have an uneasy feeling we are being duped, and that the poster of this vileness is a member of this site, cant shake off the feeling were being conned here by a deeply disturbed person. If this IS the case, I hope he/she disappears now, and doesnt come back, but I feel its likely another outburst is coming up. This site relies on honesty and candour, I now dont feel at all happy about sharing with this evil being listening in the wings. GemXXAnyone else feel the same?I have an idea who it is, but am saying nothing.
I as well as a lot of other people, followed Kathleen’s sound advice to keep hitting the “report abusive comment” button until they were removed, without engaging or acknowledging their names or existence, but it left me quite rattled as well Gem. The internet just has the illusion of being safe and full of well meaning people which sadly, is not really the case, just IMHO. A big tip off for me is when anyone blogs such vulgar insults against any members who cross their paths, but I’m grateful that the admin. is on top of such matters since I’m not a licensed psychiatrist or otherwise qualified to spot real predator, either online or off, I’ll leave that to the pros who did a great job BTW,
Gee, I feel like I missed something. What happened?
Kim, I must have missed it too….but that’s okay…anytime someone is inappropriate here, whether a passing troll or someone who is a “member” of the blog, I just ignore them. Not worth wasting time on them. There was a time when I did “waste time” on people who were inappropriate, or who were here for Narcissistic supply, but once I get a good whiff of the stink, I just “report” abusive comment and then ignore it/them after that. Donna runs a good ship here! Not all blogs are monitored so well.
kim, i guess i missed it too.
Hi Kim,
how are ya?
no, you didn’t miss anything, same ol’, same ol’ stuff – you remember from last week.
At this point I don’t really have much problem with it. but then, it took TWENTY-FIVE YEARS for ME to notice I was being abused, so… maybe I’m dense! LOL.
🙂
Thanks, Skylar. Yeah, same s–t, different day! Gotcha.
Anytime we are duped or have the feeling we may be duped, it can be upsetting to those in the process of healing.
Any member of Lf that has ulterior motives is revealed soon enough…..like all toxics, some are more covert and convincing than others.
LF is an example….representative of the outside ‘real world’…..we offer trust and sympathies and support and we are shit on…..IT HAPPENS!
We can’t let this upset OUR process of healing and learning.
I think it’s a good lesson for us….we can recognize behaviors inside of “LF” and learn how WE as individuals wish to respond…..or NOT. It’s always best NOT to respond…..be that grey rock…..or better yet….online, we can be invisable!
We should never doubt our instincts…..our gut…..
This is lesson #1 in spotting the toxic person…..
When someone always brings it back to them.
When they are needing extreme validation.
When they are acting/writing irrational posts.
When others are attacked by these persons….repeatedly targeted.
When a toxic person never beleives they are validated, they up the anti.
When a toxic person comes to a healing sight and attacks and belittle AND STAYS HERE…..
When a toxic person targets other members in order to ‘connect’ and draw other members into their drama.
A toxic person will retreat, then play nice, only to gear up for another attack.
WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE GUT FOLKS!
Some toxics stop by….create drama and disappear…..
Some toxics lurk, read, and respond only to certain posters.
Some toxics come back over and over even under different user names……with the same story…
Some people just don’t GET IT!
This is why we are here….because we get it…we wish the support here, we want to help others with our journies…..
It’s a healing place……
So peeps…..sharpen up your toxic radars and remain vigilant…..it’s like hide and seek…..we did it once.(some more than once)…we will have run in’s with these people everywhere…
I still believe LF is the home of the safest support and love around…..we are never immune though…..
The lesson here……Remain in control of YOU! And keep your awareness about you. Here or in the outside world.
This is prudent.
I believe, overall…..we have fantastic and caring, empathetic and compassionate members here and I wouldn’t let ‘one (or ten)bad seeds’ step on our healing process.
This is part of the education we achieve to heal!
It’s not about them….it’s about US!
We are in control of US!
If it walks like a duck…..
quack quack…..
Yes, I’ve felt there was a duck in our midst for some time!
Most of the time I try to ignore the duck. But occasionally I take the bait, but invariably regret it.
I propose operation, GRAY ROCK.
Yeah, from now on I’m calling NC, GR. HA.