By Ox Drover
Donna’s great article about Victory, of a sort, over a sociopath the other day got me to thinking.
Just what is “victory?”
My wonderful stepfather was a young basketball coach when he got his first real job coaching for a very small rural school which had not had a winning game in over a decade. The team was dispirited and had no real expectation of ever winning a game.
One of the local coaches bragged that he would beat them “by a hundred points!” at the next game. The team thought there was a good possibility that that coach’s team could do just that. However, it is “good sportsmanship” for a coach playing a much weaker team to let their second, third, and fourth strings get a chance to play, and to win over the weaker team, but not “tromp” them.
Daddy thought this other coach’s brag to stomp and tromp his team was poor sportsmanship so he made a plan. When the fourth quarter started and Daddy’s team had the ball, they “froze” it (which was legal in the game then) and wouldn’t either shoot the ball or take a chance on losing it, so passed the ball from one of Daddy’s team members to another the entire quarter. They didn’t make any points, but they kept the other team from even getting their hands on the ball the entire quarter, and thus making points against them. Daddy’s team didn’t win, but the other coach didn’t win by his “hundred points” either. That little team went on the next year to win their division championship because of the confidence that Daddy inspired in them.
Sometimes “winning” or “victory” can be interpreted in different ways. I’m also reminded of the old Country and Western song, the “Winner” where an older man and a younger man are in a bar talking. The younger man wants to be a “winner” in bar fight brawls, and the older man is educating him on what is “winning” and what isn’t.
Sure, you can get into a fight and you may inflict more damage on your opponent than he inflicts on you in the fight, but like the old man said, “He gouged out my eye, but I won.” Sometimes it is better to walk away from a fight and not lose more than you have already lost, or allow your opponent to take another “pound of flesh” in your attempts to “get justice.”
It isn’t always about getting what you deserve, or victory over them, or even seeing that they get “what they so richly deserve,” sometimes, I think, “winning” simply means keeping them from taking more out of you and, like Daddy’s team, “freezing the ball.” Sometimes, it is like the would-be barroom brawler, walking away (intact) with the other guy yelling curses in your direction.
It is emotionally tough to watch a cheater “get away with it” when they have ripped us off, and go “waltzing away” unscathed and apparently the victor. It eats at our sense of fairness to let them “succeed” and not pay a price for their bad behavior.
Yet, sometimes, “discretion is the better part of valor” to use an old phrase, or to “be a live dog, rather than a dead lion,” and “retreat and live to fight another day.”
Those victims who are not able to fight for a “victory” of any sort, I don’t think need to feel that they have “failed” because they chose not to fight the sociopath.
Too many times fighting the psychopaths are like “fighting a circular saw,” as my grandmother would have said. It “just isn’t worth it,” because the damage to yourself will be worse than you can possibly inflict on the psychopath. They stack the odds so in their own favor, that even if you “win,” you end up like the old brawler sitting in the barroom, broken and so gravely injured yourself in your effort to gain a “victory, of sorts” that in retrospect the price was too high.
Sometimes, it is better to walk away a “loser” but still intact, and with your head held high, using the energy and resources you have left to focus on healing yourself, on recovering what you have lost in terms of finances and strength, and take care of yourself. To me that is also a “viable victory.”
I personally find the psychology of several things interesting.
1. How collectively, not knowing each other in ‘real life’…..(assumably) how there is collective ‘pull back’ that occurs when we have an aggressive poster.
2. When the poster disappears for a bit, how other members feel comfortable to come back and we get to experience their wonderful input, posts, advice or support. Members we don’t see often.
3. There seems to be immediately, a feeling of collective ‘eggshell’ walking going on here, evident niceties in postings or members going missing.
4. How we do not wish to alienate members and we continue to respond, until there is no shred of doubt we are dealing with a person with bigger issues than we can ‘help’ with
5. How we care and converge with supporting posts regardless of the abuse we endure from a poster. We have a high tolerance for deciding what is or is not abusive and crossing the line.
6. I have also noticed, when we have had enough….it’s over.
I have given this much thought in regards to how the dynamics of people that do not know each other in person….interact in less than optimal situations.
We are from all around the world, different races, beliefs, religions, backgrounds, genders. All coming together for the same support and education we so need. We experience growth through ‘community’. Good bad or ugly!
It really is a beautiful thing!!!!
Thank you Donna for offering us a place to learn, heal and gain wisdom and education to take us into a hopefully happy future.
I vote we ‘Grey Rock’ this discussion now……
Grey Rock it is.
EB, I just want to say that I’m glad we finally adressed this, though. I was wondering if I was the only one who was getting flagged. I’m glad to know I wasn’t. It feels a little bit empowering to have it out in the open. Know what I mean?
Okay, I’m going gray rock.
Oxy:
What a wonderful day….indeed!
Congratulations mama…..40! Gun shooting show down at the ranch……with Nellie inside talking your ear off.
Congratualations on your restraints and what you learned about yourself today! See…everything happens for a reason!
There is a lesson in everything we do…each step we take….
When I was sick, I also had this eye disease….one of the ‘side effects’ was I slept with my eyes open…..my eyes never closed from swelling.
This freaked my brother out…..when I fell asleep on his couch one night…he kept talking to me. My kids said to him,,,,,shssshhh….don’t wake mama….he said, but she’s not asleep, why isn’t she answering me…..the kids did the old swing the hands in front of moms face to show she wouldn’t flinch and really was asleep movements…..for proof….
The next morning….he and his wife were still trippen out….
I told them….I was going to get a graveyard security job…..because no one would know I slept through the night!
This would have come in handy today, for you with the ‘woman’! It could have been a well deserved nap…..multi tasking type visitation….
🙂
Glad you were there to celebrate the milestone with your baby!
One more thing,-then we can put the topic to rest if you are all agreed. I came up with this poem, today, re all of this,its an allegory of good and evil, of sorts.here it is, dont know if youll like it or not, it just came to me!
Les Fleurs du Mal,{with Apologies to Baudelaire, and Matthew Arnold.}
” Suddenly evil is in our midst,
We feel the draught from its bat-like wing,
We see the red of its leering smile,
We feel the pain of its scorpion sting,
Come away, children, run and hide!
Cover yourselves, and hide your pain,
Good with evil cannot abide,
We’ll live and love, and fight again!
The red of the Poppy, the crimson flood,
The sultry glance, the honeyed look,
The rush of opium in the blood,
The poisoned dart, the baited hook!
The piper pipes his melody
Come away children, turn away!
Turn away from the Primrose path,
And live to fight another day!”
Geminigirl.
I come here in the mornings mostly now, what happened yesterday was truly horrible. I am angry at my self for reacting with even a scrap more than ‘hit the report abusive comment button’:(
There is more I want to say about this, but continuing to talk about it does more damage than good.
I am always glad to see, that whenever these things happen, by the evening you guys have managed to get ‘back to business’, the business of sharing and helping and being kind to eachother:)xxx
It happend again this morning, and I just get so sickened by reading it when I come here, I cant help but say something more (goodness only knows what new people or others may think when they come here and see that!), I was just about to write that I can no longer come here while this is going on but for anyone else in my time zone who logged on to that, and felt like logging right back off again, Donna has dealt with it and I really hope its the last we see.x
Good morning, Blue. How are you?
😀 Hi Kim:) I am doing okay now thanks:)xx Listening to some music drinking tea and making pots of pasta sauce:) I think I feel some kind of cleaning frenzy coming on too (paging Dr. Freud)… which is a good thing!x
a lot has been thrown up for me, like am I really able to stand up straight and walk away from stuff yet, dunno, too ready to jump into the frey still and too vulnerable not to let insults through… why I still come here, what good do I do… there was a word used sort of ‘against me’ twice yesterday, that has left me feeling a little wobbly and uncomfortable, when I feel like that I have to examine why… go back over my thinking and make sure I am clear about it … So my self confidence has taken a bit of a knock…yeah I am standing up straight when I have ABSOLUTELY no contact with creatures, but when I do its l not 100%…. 🙁
Aaaanyway, back to the cooking and the cups of tea and straightening up;)xx (did you like my pun?)
How are you today?x
Dear Blueskies, did I miss anything? You sound very uneasy to me as I did not notice anything wrong here today.