By Ox Drover
Donna’s great article about Victory, of a sort, over a sociopath the other day got me to thinking.
Just what is “victory?”
My wonderful stepfather was a young basketball coach when he got his first real job coaching for a very small rural school which had not had a winning game in over a decade. The team was dispirited and had no real expectation of ever winning a game.
One of the local coaches bragged that he would beat them “by a hundred points!” at the next game. The team thought there was a good possibility that that coach’s team could do just that. However, it is “good sportsmanship” for a coach playing a much weaker team to let their second, third, and fourth strings get a chance to play, and to win over the weaker team, but not “tromp” them.
Daddy thought this other coach’s brag to stomp and tromp his team was poor sportsmanship so he made a plan. When the fourth quarter started and Daddy’s team had the ball, they “froze” it (which was legal in the game then) and wouldn’t either shoot the ball or take a chance on losing it, so passed the ball from one of Daddy’s team members to another the entire quarter. They didn’t make any points, but they kept the other team from even getting their hands on the ball the entire quarter, and thus making points against them. Daddy’s team didn’t win, but the other coach didn’t win by his “hundred points” either. That little team went on the next year to win their division championship because of the confidence that Daddy inspired in them.
Sometimes “winning” or “victory” can be interpreted in different ways. I’m also reminded of the old Country and Western song, the “Winner” where an older man and a younger man are in a bar talking. The younger man wants to be a “winner” in bar fight brawls, and the older man is educating him on what is “winning” and what isn’t.
Sure, you can get into a fight and you may inflict more damage on your opponent than he inflicts on you in the fight, but like the old man said, “He gouged out my eye, but I won.” Sometimes it is better to walk away from a fight and not lose more than you have already lost, or allow your opponent to take another “pound of flesh” in your attempts to “get justice.”
It isn’t always about getting what you deserve, or victory over them, or even seeing that they get “what they so richly deserve,” sometimes, I think, “winning” simply means keeping them from taking more out of you and, like Daddy’s team, “freezing the ball.” Sometimes, it is like the would-be barroom brawler, walking away (intact) with the other guy yelling curses in your direction.
It is emotionally tough to watch a cheater “get away with it” when they have ripped us off, and go “waltzing away” unscathed and apparently the victor. It eats at our sense of fairness to let them “succeed” and not pay a price for their bad behavior.
Yet, sometimes, “discretion is the better part of valor” to use an old phrase, or to “be a live dog, rather than a dead lion,” and “retreat and live to fight another day.”
Those victims who are not able to fight for a “victory” of any sort, I don’t think need to feel that they have “failed” because they chose not to fight the sociopath.
Too many times fighting the psychopaths are like “fighting a circular saw,” as my grandmother would have said. It “just isn’t worth it,” because the damage to yourself will be worse than you can possibly inflict on the psychopath. They stack the odds so in their own favor, that even if you “win,” you end up like the old brawler sitting in the barroom, broken and so gravely injured yourself in your effort to gain a “victory, of sorts” that in retrospect the price was too high.
Sometimes, it is better to walk away a “loser” but still intact, and with your head held high, using the energy and resources you have left to focus on healing yourself, on recovering what you have lost in terms of finances and strength, and take care of yourself. To me that is also a “viable victory.”
Oxy,
Please tell Lily my thoughts are also with her. I hope they are taking good care of her in the hospital, and she can get some rest there before her surgery. I’ve only spent a few nights in the hospital in my lifetime, but I remember the comfort of being taken care of, and hope she can have that comfort too.
Thanks gang,
She isn’t expecting an ostomy, and we joked about her “having more guts” than the average person. For some reason she has about 3 feet longer transverse colon than the “regular” one for her size person (she is quite small) so there should be “extra” so she doesn’t end up with an ostomy. Still don’t know the extent of the cancer though, and I have not been able to talk to her physician yet. I’m actually more concerned with the heart attack she had night before last. With what she had gone through in the past couple of years health wise with the broken ankle that wouldn’t heal, the broken hip, the diabetic coma and a heart attack—-to say nothing of the emotional grief and stress—-
Actually, I think she DOES “have more GUTS than most people!” LOL
Thank you JAH, if she does end up with one, though, I will have her get in touch with you. We all know how it feels to have someone “rooting” for us that UNDERSTANDS what we are going through.
I know the support she’s had from here has made a BIG difference in her emotional coping with the daughters.
See ya this afternoon. Maybe I’ll know more by then. I’m off to town.
New Lily,
You sweet dear lady….My thoughts and prayers are with you.
NewLilly, I’m thinking about you, and sending you healing white light. I hope you’re back on your feet in no time. After everything you’ve been through, this should be a walk in the park.
I really wished I had found this site weeks ago, especially this article. I could not just let it go and had to be the winner, I did somewhat win but now I feel just as low as him. This man consumes my thoughts, between love, hate and digust. I was able to bring closure to an ex wife(whom I knew nothing about) and prevent anquish his present victim, whom we have both now walked out on him. This man has hurt so many others, I actually came out ahead financially but have been emotionally destroyed, I don’t know how to get him out of my head and make the pain go away, any advice would ever be so appreciated. Victory shouldn’t feel this way.
jskibo:
Read “Without Conscience”, “The Sociopath Next Door”, “The Betrayal Bond” and “If YOu Had Controlling Parents.” Others also recommend “Women Who Love Sociopaths.” What you need is knowledge to help you understand how this happened.
Besides answering the question “how this happened” you need to figure out “how to recover.” Kathy Hawke’s articles on the stages of recovery. They are dead on. The sad fact is, getting over these subhumans is a process — and it is not a linear process.
A big part of the problem in getting over these creatures is that they basically take over our brains and consume all our resources. You have to go through the process in order to get our brain and your life back. In my case, it is almost a year since I got rid of my S. By the time I did, every waking moment, hell, I think even my dreams, were of nothing but him. I was relieved when he was out of my life. But, I still had S on my mind, 24/7.
Like you, I achieved some victories over the S. However, part of the problem with going after them is that it keeps them on our mind. Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad I flamed his sorry ass. If I hadn’t I’d be kicking myself for letting him get away with everything he did to me.
But, you finally start to reclaim you life. You meet new people. You deal with problems in your life which you ignored because you were so busy dealing with S’s nonstop dramas and problems. You get involved in new activities. In short, you build a new S-free life.
Focusing on myself. What a novel concept. I never did before. In some ways I think I had to learn the lesson of S in order to build a much happier life for myself. I’m now in a relationship with a really kind, good, honest, non-S man. I’ve been out of work 8 months, but, I keep plugging away at that problem. I’ve taken a few nice trips. I now find large portions of the day go by where I don’t think about S. He is finally reaching the stage where I can view him as a nightmare. In sum, my life ain’t perfect. But, I’m a lot happier now than I was a year ago.
Oxy,
Please send Lily my warmest wishes, my prayers, & she is in my Bible study group’s prayers. I’ve dealt w/some of the same issues, & I know it can be really scarey. Lily has a lot of LF friends pulling for her!
jskibo,
congrats on getting away from him and your many victories, both financial and emotional. It sounds like you might qualify for a prize on LF. I don’t think I heard anyone report MULTIPLE victories over a P!
It might be that the feeling you have are muddled, as mine still are, because your disillusionment is not just with your exP, but with humanity in general. That’s how I feel. Finding out that there are so many evil people out there, scared me. Finding out that I was walking around “naked” without P-protection for so long, was scary.
OMG I just realized what that recurring dream was about. For years I’ve dreamed that I’m walking around naked and I know I’m naked but I don’t really care what everyone thinks. Sheesh. Posting on LF can sometimes really trigger revelations! My subconscious was trying to tell me – weird. Since I left him, those dreams have stopped!
Sorry Jskibo, I digressed.
Maybe time away from him will help. Maybe integrating your new view of the world with your old view will resolve this for you.
Try to look at it as just a new skill you’ve learned, like driving or typing. Realize that this lesson came in the form of one human being treating you like crap, but now you have a tool: knowledge. After you learned to drive, you began to live life differently, with more autonomy and more options. That’s how we can look at this life lesson, as a step or graduation towards a more full life.
Matt,
Could you give me your opinion on my situation? (Is my lawyer duping me?) I divorced in 06/2007, ex s was ordered to reimburse me a little over $3,000.00 in settlement (he was not at hearing), by 07/11/2007. My 1/2 of medical bills was $1500.00, which I worked 3 jobs to pay off, in 1 year. Meanwhile for 2 years in a row, ex s claimed income he made after divorce on my taxes, thus getting me audited by IRS. IRS worked with me, I had checks s made in his name only by his employer, sent to IRS, got both years squared away, & reported s to IRS fraud office. In Jan.2008, I had my lawyer file contempt of court papers against s. I went to 1st hearing, s has no lawyer(but big sob story), judge gives s 30 days to get lawyer. 2nd hearing, s still has no lawyer, judge gives him another 30 days to obtain legal aid. 3rd hearing, s is no show. 4th hearing, s claims legal aid won’t take his case because of “conflict of interest”-no idea what conflict was. 5th hearing, s still has no lawyer, hasn’t worked since Oct. 2007, blah blah. Judge tells him he will pay me $100 the first of every month, or go to jail for 30 days. S made payments for about 6 months of last 12. My lawyer called me Sept. 1, 2009, to tell me s’s unemployment ran out, & suggested we have judge sign warrant for his arrest. (do ya think?) I have called my lawyer every 2 days this month to check status, 2 weeks ago he told me judge wants matter to go to trial. WTF?! This is the same judge who issued the judgement on Mar 9, 2009, that s serve the 30 days. Am I being taken here? I live in Ohio.
Any thoughts you have would be deeply appreciated!
Dear Oxy,
Please send Lily lots of love and well wishes…she has overcome so much in her life, and this will be one more thing to add to her list! I look forward to seeing her shining spirit back at LF after her recovery! Lily and so many here at LF are always in my thoughts and prayers! We all deserve to smile and shine for being survivors!!!!!! Thanks Oxy – LTL