Editor’s note: This article was submitted by Steve Becker, LCSW, CH.T, who has a private psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, and clinical consulting practice in New Jersey, USA. For more information, visit his website, powercommunicating.com.
It is not unusual in my clinical experience to see, sometimes, some quite chilling sociopathic activity from my “borderline personality-disordered” clients. When someone has a “borderline personality,” it’s quite likely, among other things, that he or she will present with a history of emotional instability; a pattern of chaotic interpersonal relationships; and poor coping skills under stress, reflected in self-destructive/ destructive acting-out and a tendency to suicidal behaving.
These unstable trends are not explained by a core psychotic orientation, although individuals with borderline personality can sometimes lapse into psychotic thinking when feeling hurt and rejected enough. Borderline personalities tend to see others in “black and white,” as either all-good or all-bad; they struggle to retain more flexible, ambivalent views of others. Others are either idealized, or devalued; these swings of perceptions can be sudden, volatile, and complete.
Perceptions and/or experiences of abandonment often elicit the borderline’s dysfunctional responses and psychological deterioration. In his or her more stable state, the borderline personality can sometimes function well and seem to be well-adjusted. But more intimate involvement with him or her, over time, will expose an underlying, poorly disturbed sense of self and incapacity for mature relating.
A question I’ve found myself considering is: When the borderline personality is acting, and looking, like a sociopath, is it the case that he or she, in these states, effectively is a sociopath?
It should be noted that behaviors per se are never sociopathic, only the individuals perpetrating them. Sociopathy is a mentality from which antisocial, exploitative behaviors gestate and emanate with a destructive, historical chronicity. But one can infer the presence of the sociopathic mentality from a telling pattern of behaviors.
Clearly there are fundamental differences between borderline personalities and sociopaths, differences which I appreciate. At the same time, when the borderline personality’s rage or desperation is evoked, one sees (and not rarely) responses that can closely correspond to the sociopath’s calculating, destructive mentality.
Once inside this mentality, I’m suggesting that borderline personality-disordered individuals can lapse into a kind of transient sociopathy. Commonly, victims of the “borderline’s” aberrant, vicious behaviors will sometimes react along the lines of, “What is wrong with you? Are you some freaking psychopath?” They will say this from the experience of someone who really has just been exploited as if by a psychopath.
Because this isn’t the borderline personality’s default mentality (it is the sociopath’s), several psychological phenomena must occur, I think, to enable his temporary descent into sociopathy. He or she must regress in some way; dissociate in some fashion; and experience a form of self-fragmentation, for instance in response to a perceived threat—say, of abandonment.
These preconditions, I suggest, seed the borderline personality’s collapse into the primitive, altered states of self that can explain, among other phenomena, his or her chilling (and necessary) suspension of empathy. This gross suspension of empathy supports his or her “evening the score” against the “victimizer” with the sociopath’s remorseless sense of entitlement.
Case example
I worked not long ago with a male, 24, who slit his ex-girlfriend’s tires in the parking lot of the restaurant in which she tended bar. He’d suspected her of cheating with her manager. Notably, they were still together at the time of his act. Although his girlfriend surmised his guilt, he wouldn’t admit it, suggesting foolishly that the perpetrator was probably the manager. While his suspicions of her infidelity had some basis, the important point is that they activated an inner-self crisis and desperation characteristic of borderline personality structures.
Specifically, he feared losing her—a prospect so traumatic that rage was summoned to help mobilize his fragmenting self. His rage was experienced as cold, not volatile. He regressed into paranoia, as one who had been betrayed and, cruelly, left helpless. His failure to soberly examine the circumstances and his inflammatory reactions represented a form of mild dissociation/detachment from reality that enabled the paranoid experience, and processing, of his fear; his detachment (and regression) enabled him to formulate and execute his revenge with his empathy (and guilt) conveniently iced. In other words, he could perpetrate his vengeance with the detached calm of someone who has experienced a trauma, as in a state of depersonalization.
Upon emerging from this state, it would be as if emerging from a sort of dream, or seizure. The rationalization would kick in: what I do in those states really isn’t me, so I don’t really have to take full responsibility for it later on. It’s as if the borderline individual surfaces from his dip into sociopathy once again a borderline (and no longer a sociopath).
Motives that drive patterns of problematic behaviors frequently illuminate and distinguish the personality disorders. In this case, what seems to have driven my client was his crumbling sense of self in the form of an inarticulate terror of being abandoned. For this reason (among others), I can confidently say that he wasn’t a sociopath. But when he was in that regressed, dissociated, fragmented state—for as long as it lasted—I suggest he was.
hahahahaha Ana…..”mammoth margarita”; ahahahahahahaha
Wow: imagine the size of the umbrella in THAT! 🙂 lol
Well, I am not a drinker, actually, but it sounded so appropriate; didn’t it? 🙂
xxoo
Have a good evening, Ana…
DUPED
P.S. Thanks for offering to be the ‘designated’, though; that was very sweet and thoughtful! 🙂
Margarita! I think I will go to the Liquor store tomorrow and get me some stuff to make a Margarita with….no salt, but that’s okay….I can handle that. Haven’t had one in a lonnnnnng time.
I’ll just sit home and tie one on and shoot off lady fingers! I’ve got like 20,000 of them left over which I used to use to train the donks not to be afraid of gun fire.
Oh, well, Happy 4th everyone!~!!!
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Truth is. I fell in love with him because I believed his lies. All of them. My trust was horribly misplaced. I allowed a predator to twist me in knots and cause me to almost lose my life and when that didn’t happen, “IT” purposely tried to kill me and laughed not only about THAT but about everything bad that has befallen me since I have known “IT”.
While THAT is a big chunk to chew and digest, at least I still CAN. That is the bright side. I got “IT” away from me before it could snuff out my entire breath.
People familiar with my story asks me all the time: “Why don’t you sue him?” hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Nah, I am not going to clutter up what little life I have left in a court of law, trivially, trying to make some spath ‘own up’ when it’s never going to happen anyways….but one thing I CAN do is make that attempted murder charge STICK after I am gone. Oh yes….then I don’t have to be bothered with ANY of it while still alive and if it comes near me, I will have it arrested and put in jail. It’s that simple.
“NO SALT”? I am not allowed salt either and use Mrs. Dash but it’s not the same as salt. Sometimes I cheat and use Sea Salt, which isn’t as salty, I don’t think. I HATE my ‘new’ diet….no salt and low fat and cholesterol. It’s alright, I suppose, hospital food has always been one of my favorites: so healthy anyways. 🙂
This has been a horrid journey for me and to find counseling assistance has even been MORE of a nightmare. Not all counselors understand the dynamics of the situation. My very first counselor sat there during OUR LAST SESSION and said to me: “You are a masochist and he likes inflicting…you are perfect for one another!” All the while trying to load me up on anti-psychotics. HE was the one who needed to take it! 🙂
It took me MONTHS to find TRUE help. Someone that truly understands all the dynamics. I have a wonderful SET of counselors, in fact. Two of them. I have had one for the past couple of years now and the other, just recently added, as I am being made a ‘case study’ for VA and someone’s Masters….
“Recovering from the socipathic personality” – yah, right; in a big way.
Ox: mix up them margaritas and don’t make em huge like Ana wants – the umbrella will tip the glass over and it will be wasted! 🙂 ——- hehehehehe
I don’t drink but there have been times……. grrrrrrrrrrrr!
HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY TO ALL OF YOU….
THIS FREEDOM IS FOR YOU TO TRULY LIVE!
DUPED
Consantine,
When I do something I go “whole hog” on it—believe me I have the BEST books the American Heart Association has out on low sodium diets (they have 25 + and I have a friend who has them all and I checked them out and bought the best 3) I also have found every website on the internet and every company which makes and sells SALT FREE foods, and spices.
Sooooo, I have been learning to reproduce my favorite dishes without any sodium. I have sodium free baking power To replace the “sodium bicarbonate” ) so I ican make cornbread which has very little sodium in it, and so on, and sodium free baking soda —the substitute is the same chalk-like substance my son uses to chalk his hands for rock climbing! LOL
The American Heart Association recommends less than 1500 mg of sodium per day in the diet, but estimates that most Americans eat 3-5,000 mg of sodium. I was probably eating 10,000 mg in the “Southern” diet Ii was eating with lots of sausage and ham and home made jerky and home made corned beef…so…..the bottom line is that I have had to give up a few of my favorite foods, sausage, jerky, corn beef, ham, and cheese —but I have found sodium free taco shells, cook my own sodium free beans to refry, etc. and end up with great tacos etc., chili, taco soup, and others of my favorite dishes….even my son D is adjusting says he is starting to like the newer way I am cooking.
I’ve kind of slacked off of the lower calorie part of my diet, and have “stuck” here at 30 pounds lost, but the sodium is pretty well down between 500 mg and 1000 mg on a “high” day. I do need to get the calories back down, but at least the calories I’m eating are healthy foods; no-fat grass-fed meats, fruits and veggies. And the best part of it now is that I have CHANGED MY ATTITUDE ABOUT IT and no longer “feel deprived.”
Thank you to whomever brought this article back up. I continue to have difficulty viewing the newer comments. The red link just doesn’t show up for me on some articles.
The Steve Becker articles have become my favorites. His writing flows and his “down to Earth” information are wonderful. I have been saying I thought my second husband had Bi-Polar disorder…and he may. But, as I read this article, I can see him as Borderline Personality Disorder more clearly than Bi-Polar. This article describes his behaviors to a T. He does not fit any of the descriptions of a complete sociopath EXCEPT when he falls into a mental state that creates the “primal” pattern leading to sociopath behaviors here and there as Becker puts it.
This second husband is sweet, has a great deal of what I believe is authentic empathy, and I just never could say with complete certainty that he was a true sociopath. But, he is capable of very crazy rages and threats when he fears abandonment or is under stress or hasn’t had enough sleep. He is disabled and in pain a lot also.
Very interesting article. I was getting kind of upset that it seemed I knew a lot of sociopaths and narcissists. I think with this one husband, I am really dealing with Borderline. I will have to do some more research on how to deal with that because he really is my friend and I would like to see him get better and believe he could…unlike the spath room mate I have discussed.
I commented on this article and brought it back to the top because I’ve been trying to figure out if the person I know is BPD or a sociopath or some of both. She is almost definitely BPD, but some things like being sadistic, enjoying pain in people and animals and laughing about it, being fascinated with dead bodies, wanting power and control and wanting to be a cop, liking Silence of the Lambs and being really good at reading body language are things that make me think sociopath. What do you guys think? Also, this person regularly and on purpose seduces married people into falling in love with her and sleeping with her and then drops them and moves on to the next one. She refers to them as her victims and she is well aware of the damage that she causes in their lives but doesn’t seem to care.
I think as you research, you will get a picture of what her behaviors show she is. Have you watched Donna’s videos here and looked through her list of red flags? If your person refers to her victims herself as “her victims,” I would lean towards sociopath.
From reading this article, it seems as if those with Borderline PD tend to jump into behaviors without thinking because they are hurt or afraid in some way. My spath friend likes ugly and dark things as you describe. My BPD friend does not like anything dark or ugly or cruel. He does go there when he feels hurt and “offended” as described in this article. But, he is not a solid, full time sociopath in my opinion from my research.
I know there are some articles in the Archives specifically describing the behaviors of female sociopaths. Also, on the red tool bar above, I think Donna addresses female sociopaths as there are differences.
Fight;
One thing I learned here is avoid diagnosis other than a general “Cluster-B” PD — then remember all those with a Cluster-B PD are relationship toxic.
When in the moment, those with BPD have a destructiveness level equal to that of the sociopath.
Hi BBE
True, I pretty much stick to refering to ‘my abuser’ or ‘the narcopath’. He’s highly narcissistic, with a sadistic sexuality and certain psychopathic / anti social traits. There are often co-morbid features of other cluster B disoprders with these people I think. Plus of course a fair amount of alcoholism and substance abuse to add into the mix.
Hello BBE and Tealight! I love this site and all it offers.
I have an MA in Counseling, and have continued more personal aspects of my education from the articles here and the comments of victims of people whom they believe to be sociopaths.
I am very glad that anothervictim is researching and reading here and hope will research all areas. Most of the people whom have these disastrous disorders go undiagnosed. Only those closest to them can study all of the disorders and behaviors and decide what they are dealing with.
By combining my formal education with the best educated here (the ones who are living with, or have lived with, these awful creatures have life MAs as far as I’m concerned), I have been able to narrow down exactly what I am dealing with. It is a great combination for me to share here and continue my research as well by hearing personal stories.
Reading Becker’s description of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder, doing some more research on my own, and even asking my second husband about it, I know he is a Borderline. When asked, he finally told me that he was told that by one doctor. I am also dealing with one person who exhibits 90% of all of the DSM attributes of Anti-Social Personality Disorder as well as those of a true Sociopath.
It was confusing in spite of the clinical information I had. That is why this site is such a gold mine. It puts close and personal observation (something a therapist or psychiatrist is rarely allowed to see if a Sociopath is ever forced into therapy) by those of us who know them best along with clinical examples together. It helps us narrow down exactly what we are dealing with and how severe it is.
I found it comforting to find that my second husband, whom I have also considered a friend for a long time, seems to have all of the behaviors associated with Borderline Personality Disorder. He is capable of empathy. He has been voluntarily getting counseling for a couple of years now. He reads self help books for himself. He shares what he learns and I believe he is authentically trying. It is true that he has his toxic times. But, because he knows it, and shows authentic human feelings and depth, I now know how to relate to him better. He apologizes and feels bad for his disorder and wants to get better.
I found it a relief to recognize that my room mate/ex-love/phony is a Sociopath. He has only gone to counseling when forced by someone with authority over him…either the VA to get free housing or me to get better housing. He then brags about tricking them and mocks me. This revelation sets me free to spend less time around him, to stop hoping, to stop believing him, and to protect myself.
I sincerely hope anothervictim continues to receive any, and all, education available to her to come up with what might be a be a diagnosis for someone who is victimizing on some level.
Knowing that level has been a big relief to me involving two people to whom I give time and energy. I want anothervictim to feel that same relief. In my professional and personal opinion, the victims are the ones who deserve to decide what is wrong with someone hurting them in some way. Only then, can a victim figure out the next best move. I just re-read this article and it is one of the best I’ve seen about he differences between a Sociopath and someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. Another article with helpful comments that could save a life.
Your comments have helped me so much here. Thank you.
Hi fight, how are you today? Glad to see you here , glad to see so many new ”faces” and new conversations. LF is a life saver.
Hi TeaLight: I am pretty decent today. I am trying to be self protective and feel the feelings of guilt (undeserved) and inadequacy (not true) and let them pass without taking any action. It is helping a lot. A spath not getting his daily dose of blood (Audrey Jr!) is a spath who finds something else to do and that leaves more time for me to be at peace and rest as I can.
I hadn’t been here long enough to know who is new and who isn’t, but there has been a lot of activity and a lot of great comments, sharing, and helping going on. I know you can get over the hurdle of the pity play. Interesting how we have both been going through this same tactic the last few days.