What do you call someone you’ve been describing alternately as a narcissist and sociopath? Someone for whom neither diagnosis alone quite suffices as a complete description of the individual, but rather in whom both disorders seem as if wrapped up in one menacing individual?
Pardoning my grandiosity for daring to expand the already crowded psychiatric nomeclature, I propose to call these hybrid personalities“narcissiopaths.”
While I don’t expect the DSM folks to take me very seriously (or anyone else for that matter), I’m thinking (unfacetiously) that there’s a case to be made here.
The narcissiopath, as I envision him (using “him” for convenience’s sake) will meet many of the essential criteria for both narcissistic and sociopathic personality. The closest extant clinical description of this disordered individual that comes to mind is the confusing term “maligant narcissist.”
Now personally, I find the term “malignant narcissist” wanting: for instance, precisely at what point does a narcissist turn “malignant?” And doesn’t this imply the concept of non-malignant narcissists who, by definition, must be “benign?” (I’m not so sure their partners would attest to their harmlessness?)
My concept, the narcissiopath, suggests very directly the personality fusion of narcissism and sociopathy in this particular personality. The narcissiopath is the individual who effectively conflates narcissism and sociopathy.
Let me briefly review these separate personalities—the narcissist and sociopath—in their more classical presentations. The narcissist is fundamentally a recognition-craver, a reassurance-craver, a convenience-craver, and an inordinate craver and demander of attention, catering and special status. He is in many respects insatiably needy emotionally.
At root, the narcissist is an overly entitled personality. He feels entitled to be accomodated on a pretty much continual basis. This begs the question, on what basis does he accord himself this right—to expect, that is, the continual accomodation of his needs and desires? The answer is, on the basis of his sense of himself as “special,” and his expectation that others—indeed, the world—will also recognize him as special.
Psychologically, a compensatory process often occurs with the narcissist. His “sensed” and “imposed” specialness is often a compensation for underlying and threatening self-vulnerability; and compensation for doubts about his power, worth and attractiveness—doubts that he is too immature to face squarely and maturely.
Although exploitation is not typically the narcissist’s primary motive, we recognize his capacity to be manipulative, cruel, deceptive and abusive; yet his darker machinations are usually secondary to his demanding, and sometimes desperate, pursuit of others’ attention and cooperation.
The narcissist is imfamously inept at managing his disappointment. He feels that he should never be disappointed, that others owe him protection from disappointment. When disappointed, he will find someone to blame, and will quickly de-idealize and devalue his disappointer.
Devaluing his disappointer now enables him to abuse her or him with more righteous indignation and less guilt.
For the sociopath, this is all much easier. Unlike the narcissist, he doesn’t have to perform mental gymnastics to subdue his guilt in order to exploit others with an unburdened conscience. The sociopath has no guilt to manage.
But the sociopath’s dead conscience isn’t per se what makes him sociopathic. Many people have weak consciences who aren’t sociopaths. It is his dead conscience in conjunction with his orientation to exploit that gets to the heart (really, heartlessness) of the sociopath.
The sociopath is variously a manipulator, liar, deceiver and violator of others; and he is these things less to regulate his unstable self-esteem than, more often than not, to enjoy himself, amuse himself, entertain himself, and take what he feels like taking in a way he finds optimally satisfying.
The sociopath, as I have discussed previously, is an audacious exploiter. His lack of shame supports his imperturbability, which enhances the experience of his audacity. The sociopath leaves one shaking one’s head at his nerve, his gall. One imagines that to venture the deception and outrages the sociopath pursues with his famous, blithe composure, he must possess a chilling callousness and coldness beneath what may otherwise be his veneer of “normality.” One imagines correctly.
Now sometimes we find ourselves dealing, as I’ve suggested, with individuals who seem, at once, to be both narcissist and sociopath, as if straddling, or embodying both disorders.
These are the individuals I’m proposing to call narcissiopaths.
For a good celebrity example of this, consider O.J. Simpson. Simpson, as his story evolved, was someone you found yourself confusingly calling a narcissistic personality disorder (probably correctly) in one conversation, and in the very next, a sociopath (probably correctly).
You found yourself vacillating between the two diagnoses because he seemed to fulfill important criteria of both. There was O.J. the narcissist: publicly charming, charismatic, disarmingly engaging and seductively likeable while privately, behind closed doors, he was tyrannizing Nicole Brown whenever he felt his “omnipotent control” threatened.
Simpson came to epitomize the indulged athlete: catered to all his life for his special athletic gifts, somewhere along the line he came to believe, with ultimately violent conviction, in his right to control and be heeded, not defied.
Simpson was all about “looking good,” about public show; in Nicole Brown he’d found a woman—a “trophy wife—”who could “reflect well” on him publicly, and on his “greatness.” She was also, tragically, the “perfect” choice to engage his narcissistic compulsion to alternately idealize, and then devalue, her; that is, to idealize the perfect, and then devalue the perfectly dirty, sex object.
In other words, in choosing her, Simpson chose well for his narcissism.
In the end, Simpson was as charming, ingratiating, and as shallow and superficial as so many narcissists (and all sociopaths) are.
But he was more than that. He was also callous, and brutally violent. He descended upon Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman like the knife-wielding devil he was, nearly carving Brown’s head off and massacring Goldman.
And then”¦he lied.
He maintained his innocence with outrageous brazenness, determined to win the next stage of yet another game. And where was the remorse? There was none; just his arrogant, insulting contempt.
Simpson had executed a miraculous performance. He had escaped from double-murder and the incontrovertible evidence of his guilt as improbably, as impossibly, as he’d so often escaped (brilliantly) opposing defenses and game-plans geared to stop him.
Finally, although I’d say that Simpson probably tilts, on balance, more to a narcissistic personality structure than not, he also possesses many of the most dangerous and essential diagnostic features of the sociopath. He seems, in other words, to be not entirely one or the other, but both narcissist and sociopath all in one.
I intend to flesh out the concept of the narcissiopath in future posts. And I look forward, as always, to your feedback.
(This article is copyrighted © 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Dear Sweet Tilly,
I am going to nominate you for the world prize fight boxing championship! thank you for the compliment for my uppercut! LOL ROTFLMAO when you said if you didn’t watch yourself I would have you arguing my point of view! It’s only because I am always right! LOL If you don’t believe me, just ask me! LOL
I may not know anything about the subject, but I always have an OPINION Anyway! LOL
The “collaberation” point that Kathy makes DOES apply to some of us in some circumstances. I know it does apply to me in several of mine, I knew there was somehing “rotten in Denmark” but went ahead with it anyway.
Now when I smell something “rotten” I sic the dogs on it IMMEDIATELY! A good pack of hounds has advantages when you say “sic’em!”
I watched the Prime time crime show last night about this Psychopath who was having an affair with a married woman and decided to kill her husband, then also had to kill an employee who was a witness. they tried this guy twice, and the first jury got hung at 2 for not guilty and 10 for guilty (the guy testified in his own trial and he was so OBVIOUSLY PSYCHOPATHIC I could have smealled his rotten breath a mile away) the first jury was interviewd and this STUPID woman just couldn’t SEE what he was or that there was ANY evidence against him…I think she wanted a video of him doing the murder, they had DNA, videos of the vehicle going to the murder scene, and a bunch of other stuff! Anyway, the second jury convicted him, and the judge gave him life without parole.
Everything about this man and his interview and his testimony at his own first trial was unbelieveablly ARROGANT and grandiose, so TYPICAL of a high N-ish Psychopath!
I wish I could be a “professional” juror and get to be on the jury of thse creeps. Oh, well…. LOL
Todd,
A few months ago you had posted about your son and at the time I read your post over and over again because it was so helpful to me for where I was “at” at the time.
Now a few months later and I would like to read it again and of course I can’t find it.
This might not be an easy thing for you to write about again and if it is to difficult to talk about, I totally understand.
I would like to know when you knew there was a problem with your son and the early indications of the things you noticed. For some reason I can’t remember all of what you said and I have tried to find it again and again but I don’t even remember how long ago I read it.
Tilly:
His guitar will not be in working order to play any songs, because we are also going to throw our drinks on him.
Drinks paid for by him, or his bandmates, of course.
Whoops I mean Tood for above post..sorry
“EC! ALL of the Narcissists have THAT EXACT SAME STORY!! Ask OXY! If they are any good at being a Narcissist at all they at least have THAT story down pat and proof of it into the puddin.”
Tilly, the narcissist doesn’t “tell his story” to anyone, ever. (At least not the story I know.) His version of his life story is highly sanitized, and bears little resemblance to the ugly reality. My guess would be that he’d have a hard time accessing some of the most pertinent memories.
I know so much because when his attacks got really bad, I checked out his highly fictionalized, grandiose life story and learned the truth about every single significant point. I believe in his right to privacy, for the most part. I’m not going to tell his story, because that would be malicious. Knowing what I do does help me to avoid conflict with him, and helps me put his behavior in perspective. That’s all I care about.
He’s sick Tilly. Some people are just plain sick. Being mad at them for being sick is kinda silly, in the long run. He’s pathetic. I can’t stay mad forever. It’s not good for me.
EC, that’s my experience too. I had to do a lot of listening between the lines and putting things together to figure out my ex’s story. And like you said, Elizabeth, if someone wanted to create a kid with a major affect disorder, they couldn’t have organized it better.
Well like EC I feel sorry for narcissist and for psychopaths, including my ex, because I personally believe with the psychopath it is primarily genetic, with environmental factors influencing how “socialized” they appear and how the condition sometimes plays out. For that reason, I don’t hate my ex and I do feel pity for him because he cannot help the genes he was dealt. In spite of everything he has done to me, I would be quite upset if I heard something really bad happened to him (like a debilitating accident or death etc.) But feeling sorry for him and trying to understand him and why he behaved as he did does not mean I want him anywhere in my vicinity ever again, because I don’t.
But since I beleive it is primarily a genetic condition, I don’t think he can help his lack of empathy and conscience. Yes, he knows right from wrong and deliberately makes choices sometimes to harm. Other times he harms just because he is impulsive or doesn’t think, and he harms himself included by doing stupid things and getting fired or quitting jobs on impulse etc. In watching his actions I believe at times he just couldn’t help himself and I can appreciate how difficult it must be for him when his brain doesn’t function like a normal person and he doesn’t process information or emotions like a normal person.
I think of how I changed due to brainwashing and being terrorized etc. and how “I” acted in spite of knowing right from wrong and in spite of knowing intellectually something was or was not good for me and that I should run like hell or do this or that. But while my brain was malfunctioning (for lack of a better description) was I behaving like a normal rational person would and looking after my best interest. I don’t think so. And people with PTSD react to triggers sometimes (again brain) in spite of knowing the threat is no longer real. It is the brain and brain chemistry that is awry due to the trauma. I can also understand their anger. Imagine if you were born a psychopath and saw people all around you who felt and understood things you could never feel or experience. You see people clearly caring for each other and loving each other and experiencing joys with each other and you know you don’t feel a damn thing. And even if a psychopath should consider getting help, who would want to help them as from what I have read many therapist react to them negatively right off the bat and refuse to treat them. Personally, I think I would be very angry and frustrated. I mean, who wouldn’t?
And so I believe it is with the psychopath. They were dealt a bad genetic hand and have great difficulty dealing with a malfunctioning brain.
Again, I don’t want one in my life and I can feel sorry for them and try to understand and appreciate the hardships that they too face in life from a distance. But I do sincerely believe that science is well on the way to proving that psychopathy is primarily a genetic based condition, not that they are simply a bad person “choosing” to act without conscience. I believe in the next 10 years or so science will unravel and explain alot of the mystery of the psychopath. And I hope researchers and psychiatrist devise ways to help them overcome their brain deficiencies or malfunctions.
I used to feel like I “should” hate my ex or should not feel sorry for him. Sort of like there was something wrong with me if I ever felt that compassion or twinge of “sorry” when I thought of him. But I don’t feel that way anymore. I loved him once and ia part of me will always love him (like a part of me will always love everyone I have ever loved) in spite of the horrendous way it all turned out. In the beginning with him, I tapped into the deepest love I have ever felt. I hope I find that deep love with someone else (healthy) at some point in the future. Do I wish I had never had to experience the negativity and horror that came with the relationship? Hell, yeah, I wish I had never met him and gone through the misery. But since I did, I really can’t say that I regret that I ever felt that love that I felt and I certainly am not going to deny that I felt it. Yes, he wasn’t real and his love for me wasn’t real. But MY love for him was very real and I was very real. I simply can’t deny what I felt or still feel at times when I think of the good times. But like I said, I want him no where near me and I fear his dangerousness. But I do feel sorry that he is trapped in a conscienceless and emotionless body and will never experience the love or joys of a normal person. I just don’t think there is anything wrong with feeling sorry for the psychopath as long as you understand and appreciate you can only do it from a distance.
Jen2008, I loved who the bad man would have been, had he been normal, but he was not. I couldn’t see he wasn’t normal until after NC and a lot of study. Because I minimized, forgave, rationalized, believed his lies, etc., and because I fell in love from a long distance, based on our 40 year past, and by the time I saw him, the rose colored contacts, rose colored glasses and a rose colored set of goggles on top of all that were firmly in place. And I didn’t realize I actually had a betrayal bond with him from the past, which I resisted until I was in a very weak place. The only clue….and oh how I wished I had paid attention to that clue…was at the last minute when I was supposed to meet him in a hotel room, I had a little urge to leave a note at the front desk saying “pay back, 40 years later” and not show up at all. I am an extremely GRACIOUS and sweet person. That thought shocked me. I should have realized my subconscience was trying to say “WAKE UP! THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT MADE YOU CRY FOR MORE THAN A YEAR WHEN YOU WERE 16.”
I do also feel sorry for them, but also feel they HAVE to be contained. I warned every woman I saw him going after. And did some other things that I won’t share in case he lurks here. But believe me, I’ve tried to contain him as much as I can do from such a great distance and have handed the job off now to someone else who cares even more than I do that he be contained. I just couldn’t stand by and do nothing to stop him. But I did stop short of filing charges.
Jen2008,
There was a post on here about an RN who lived a normal life, but was thinking of killing. She had never acted on these urges (apparently) and had chosen a helping profession (unless we hear otherwise). So, the P was dealt the genes she’d contained, being a “model” mother and wife. They have control, in fact, they are dealt incredible power to control their behaviors and urges. Just to think that they Hate us, all of us, but can Act as though they are giving, caring and in love. that takes so much emotional power and so much patience and acting… So, I don’t feel sorry for them, because they choose to behave in a way that they know is detrimental to others. they have to be contained, and they have the power to contain themselves. one p said: “I only stole $5000 because I really liked you. I could have stolen much much more”. Now, that is self -control… 😉
Kathy,
You know I have had problems with anything that even hints at blaming the victim. But your post at Saturday, 18 July 2009 @....... 5:45pm finally made me really get your point. You know I will always say “without a bad man, no problem”. A good man would not have exploited your history.
But I get what you are saying. And have to admit it is true for me too.