What do you call someone you’ve been describing alternately as a narcissist and sociopath? Someone for whom neither diagnosis alone quite suffices as a complete description of the individual, but rather in whom both disorders seem as if wrapped up in one menacing individual?
Pardoning my grandiosity for daring to expand the already crowded psychiatric nomeclature, I propose to call these hybrid personalities“narcissiopaths.”
While I don’t expect the DSM folks to take me very seriously (or anyone else for that matter), I’m thinking (unfacetiously) that there’s a case to be made here.
The narcissiopath, as I envision him (using “him” for convenience’s sake) will meet many of the essential criteria for both narcissistic and sociopathic personality. The closest extant clinical description of this disordered individual that comes to mind is the confusing term “maligant narcissist.”
Now personally, I find the term “malignant narcissist” wanting: for instance, precisely at what point does a narcissist turn “malignant?” And doesn’t this imply the concept of non-malignant narcissists who, by definition, must be “benign?” (I’m not so sure their partners would attest to their harmlessness?)
My concept, the narcissiopath, suggests very directly the personality fusion of narcissism and sociopathy in this particular personality. The narcissiopath is the individual who effectively conflates narcissism and sociopathy.
Let me briefly review these separate personalities—the narcissist and sociopath—in their more classical presentations. The narcissist is fundamentally a recognition-craver, a reassurance-craver, a convenience-craver, and an inordinate craver and demander of attention, catering and special status. He is in many respects insatiably needy emotionally.
At root, the narcissist is an overly entitled personality. He feels entitled to be accomodated on a pretty much continual basis. This begs the question, on what basis does he accord himself this right—to expect, that is, the continual accomodation of his needs and desires? The answer is, on the basis of his sense of himself as “special,” and his expectation that others—indeed, the world—will also recognize him as special.
Psychologically, a compensatory process often occurs with the narcissist. His “sensed” and “imposed” specialness is often a compensation for underlying and threatening self-vulnerability; and compensation for doubts about his power, worth and attractiveness—doubts that he is too immature to face squarely and maturely.
Although exploitation is not typically the narcissist’s primary motive, we recognize his capacity to be manipulative, cruel, deceptive and abusive; yet his darker machinations are usually secondary to his demanding, and sometimes desperate, pursuit of others’ attention and cooperation.
The narcissist is imfamously inept at managing his disappointment. He feels that he should never be disappointed, that others owe him protection from disappointment. When disappointed, he will find someone to blame, and will quickly de-idealize and devalue his disappointer.
Devaluing his disappointer now enables him to abuse her or him with more righteous indignation and less guilt.
For the sociopath, this is all much easier. Unlike the narcissist, he doesn’t have to perform mental gymnastics to subdue his guilt in order to exploit others with an unburdened conscience. The sociopath has no guilt to manage.
But the sociopath’s dead conscience isn’t per se what makes him sociopathic. Many people have weak consciences who aren’t sociopaths. It is his dead conscience in conjunction with his orientation to exploit that gets to the heart (really, heartlessness) of the sociopath.
The sociopath is variously a manipulator, liar, deceiver and violator of others; and he is these things less to regulate his unstable self-esteem than, more often than not, to enjoy himself, amuse himself, entertain himself, and take what he feels like taking in a way he finds optimally satisfying.
The sociopath, as I have discussed previously, is an audacious exploiter. His lack of shame supports his imperturbability, which enhances the experience of his audacity. The sociopath leaves one shaking one’s head at his nerve, his gall. One imagines that to venture the deception and outrages the sociopath pursues with his famous, blithe composure, he must possess a chilling callousness and coldness beneath what may otherwise be his veneer of “normality.” One imagines correctly.
Now sometimes we find ourselves dealing, as I’ve suggested, with individuals who seem, at once, to be both narcissist and sociopath, as if straddling, or embodying both disorders.
These are the individuals I’m proposing to call narcissiopaths.
For a good celebrity example of this, consider O.J. Simpson. Simpson, as his story evolved, was someone you found yourself confusingly calling a narcissistic personality disorder (probably correctly) in one conversation, and in the very next, a sociopath (probably correctly).
You found yourself vacillating between the two diagnoses because he seemed to fulfill important criteria of both. There was O.J. the narcissist: publicly charming, charismatic, disarmingly engaging and seductively likeable while privately, behind closed doors, he was tyrannizing Nicole Brown whenever he felt his “omnipotent control” threatened.
Simpson came to epitomize the indulged athlete: catered to all his life for his special athletic gifts, somewhere along the line he came to believe, with ultimately violent conviction, in his right to control and be heeded, not defied.
Simpson was all about “looking good,” about public show; in Nicole Brown he’d found a woman—a “trophy wife—”who could “reflect well” on him publicly, and on his “greatness.” She was also, tragically, the “perfect” choice to engage his narcissistic compulsion to alternately idealize, and then devalue, her; that is, to idealize the perfect, and then devalue the perfectly dirty, sex object.
In other words, in choosing her, Simpson chose well for his narcissism.
In the end, Simpson was as charming, ingratiating, and as shallow and superficial as so many narcissists (and all sociopaths) are.
But he was more than that. He was also callous, and brutally violent. He descended upon Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman like the knife-wielding devil he was, nearly carving Brown’s head off and massacring Goldman.
And then”¦he lied.
He maintained his innocence with outrageous brazenness, determined to win the next stage of yet another game. And where was the remorse? There was none; just his arrogant, insulting contempt.
Simpson had executed a miraculous performance. He had escaped from double-murder and the incontrovertible evidence of his guilt as improbably, as impossibly, as he’d so often escaped (brilliantly) opposing defenses and game-plans geared to stop him.
Finally, although I’d say that Simpson probably tilts, on balance, more to a narcissistic personality structure than not, he also possesses many of the most dangerous and essential diagnostic features of the sociopath. He seems, in other words, to be not entirely one or the other, but both narcissist and sociopath all in one.
I intend to flesh out the concept of the narcissiopath in future posts. And I look forward, as always, to your feedback.
(This article is copyrighted © 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Okay Oxy – just saw your post above mine – that helps a bit.
It just seems like maybe they are really variations on a theme-
ie: there are your “look at me, look at me” end of the sociopaths and your more circumspect – “ha ha ha – I’m hiding in plain sight – look what I did” sociopaths (ie: BTK)….
Thanks Steve. This has finally ‘nailed it’ for me! Why one of the symptoms of people here who are victims of these types is that we have to have ‘definition’ specific, I don’t know – guess it’s just trying to make sense of what the hell happened to your life – I think it’s human nature to want to try to understand what you’ve been dealing with and why you feel so crazed in the aftermath involvement with them.
I never felt that he did things purely for his amusement – as would an S – more that it made him feel empowered to put people down, bully and create situations where others felt threatened and uncomfortable. Fortunately, I didn’t hang round long enough for the violence to really escalate – the threat of it was enough me. He hit me once and came back with the classic line ‘now look what you’ve made me do!” – but he was very aware of his ‘good guy’ image – not that he had one – just deluded himself that he was seen that way. – classic Narcissist eh!? This is perhaps what contained the violence but I am sure there are plenty of situations I don’t know about outside of the ‘relationship’ where he would use violence and intimidation – in fact, I know of two at least – he boasted about them – of course, painting himself as the ‘good guy’ and ‘rescuer’. (I don’t think antagonising a drunk on a train and then busting his nose – to show off to a colleage and carriage full of passengers is anything to boast about but heh ho, I’m not a deranged ‘Narciopath’ so how can I comment – who knows what goes on inside their crazy deluded brains!
I think your phrases ‘overly entitled’ and ‘insatiably needy, emotionally’ are spot-on. The constant need for recognition and to be told ‘how proud of you I am’ were totally foreign to me – I’d never come across anyone before who thought that partners/family were somehow lacking in their appreciation if they weren’t constantly ‘reassuring’ in this way – it was all very ‘wearing’ – thanks for clarifying.
Another great article Steve!
Like Oxy’s son, my ex was extremely narcissistic in addition to being malicious and criminally oriented and he liked to hide some misdeeds and brag like crazy about others. He would make no bones one day about enjoying hurting and f*cking over people, then denying it and swearing he is nice and honest to a fault the next day!
I like Steve’s new term. But here is my question to Steve for his opinion (or anyone else)….from reading, my understanding is that although the diagnostic manual lumps aspd, sociopath, and psychopath all under aspd, that the psychiatric manual still uses the term psychopath for those who meet the pcl-r criteria and that researchers do differentiate between aspd, sociopath, and psychopath.
A person can meet the criteria for aspd, but NOT be a sociopath or a psychopath. And a person could be a sociopath but NOT a psychopath. Yet most psychopaths DO meet the criteria for aspd in addition to the criteria for psychopathy.
And also that once the person scores past 30 on the pcl-r and can be determined to be a psychopath that the level of narcissism has also risen accordingly right along with their high score. So the higher level of psychopathy has a higher level of narcissism is the way I understand it.
So a sociopath who scores below the 30 would not necessarily be all that narcissistic. But if a person that scores with perfect score of 40 or very close to it, wouldn’t the level of narcissism be so great due to those traits also rising in addition to the maliciousness, that in effect you simply have a psychopath.
In other words, you have the aspd, then the sociopath, then the psychopath. But the psychopath sounds to me like what you are describing as a Narcsociopath.
But I like your term better because like someone else said it is easier to understand. But still, my question is, wouldn’t that simply be a high scoring psychopath? (sorry for the ramble and hope this is understandable)
It is very helpful to use public figures that we “know” like OJ, because it brings abstract qualities to life. Also movie characters can help. The bad guy I was involved with (I don’t like to use the phrase “my N” or “My p”..ugh…not mine, thank god) was a crueler Thomas Crown. Totally not forthright. totally loved to pull one over on “worthy” opponents just for the hell of it to prove his brilliance to himself, would not relieve other’s emotional distress when he easily could and hid behind noble reasons but really just like to be pulling the strings (as when Thomas Crown appears to be protecting the true identity of the painter’s daughter..the blond, I forget the details…and letting his lover think the blond is a lover), deliberating setting up emotional distress (watching her cry in the jet at the end), liked to test and shock, and was totally used to everyone kissing his ass. To the fictional character add sexual addiction, alcohol abuse, need to be constantly off on another trip always on the move, marriage to a heiress, cheating on the heiress with her best friend and many others, jealousy of the attention his wife gives his kids, sending kids off as soon as they outgrow the nanny to boarding schools across the country, inability to tolerate being alone, envy, deep envy and the diagnosis is……pure hell!
Love the new term!
My own personal picturing Ns and Ps is that there is a “scale” of 1 to 10 for Narcissists, with 1 being the person who will eat the last piece of cake, knowing you haven’t had any…not trying to deprive you of cake, just not being considerate.
A 10 in Narcissistic traits would be like the “public figure” who will do anything for publicity, and doesn’t really care if it is negative or positive attention as long as THEY ARE GETTING ATTENTION.
While I believe ALL psychopaths are ALSO Narcissistic to one degree or another, the worst of the worst, to me are the OJs who are HIGH IN N TRAITS, but also VIOLENT and have no remorse.
So where does “malignant Narcissism” end and psychopathic traits begin? I think there is a great deal of OVERLAP, but that some psychopaths like to do their dirty deeds in “private” and like to get away with their dirty deeds and have their victims not be aware that they were screwed by the P, and then there are the ones like OJ who pretty much want the world to know they did it and got away with it—of course DENYING all the time.
My P-sperm donor used to love to BRAG about all the people he had killed, but in his “autobiography” denied he was a murderer.
Some Ps get off on being feared and perceived as a bad ass, and others want to be perceived as “mr Nice guy”—-but in the end, ALL of them have NO EMPATHY, NO COMPASSION, AND NO REMORSE. It is just, I think, a variation on a theme.
Okay – now I’m really lost –
can someone give me a simple definition – or the distinction between-
Sociopath
Psychopath
ASPD
and finally I do think (think I think) I understand what an N is…
but I thought the other three were different terms for the same type of thinking or motives for behaviour…?
Thanks, Steve, for another wonderful article, and a really great idea. The crossover between these types — or rather the narcissists who are more toxic — has always been hard to define with the existing diagnostic terms.
Various therapists have described my ex as a “malignant narcissist,” an “aggressive narcissist,” and a “Machiavellian narcissist.” All I know is that he fits the narcissistic characteristics to a tee. But then, he seemed to cross the line as well in sociopathy. He was occasionally sadistic, but more importantly he was viciously exploitive and could stand back and watch the damage escalating with a kind of detached scientific interest.
I think that one of the difficulties in identifying these people is that they present as narcissists. They initially seem to need a lot of ego support. But then, if they can get that from you, their objectives escalate and “helping them” becomes more expensive and more fraught with threat of abuse.
If you write more about this topic, I’d be really interested to know if you have any ideas about the initial phase (which I call the “incoming” phase, and which can reoccur anytime they’re working on us for another concession or trying to keep us from resigning from the role). At the time I was impressed — and now in retrospect even more impressed — with how clever mine was. I sometimes felt like I was in a movie that he had plotted very carefully. Everything he did and said to me was like a set-up for some longer-term objective.
I don’t think that he know at the beginning exactly how far he could take it, how much he could get from me, but he was prepared at every turn. He had strategies and responses ready. I had my own needy emotional drama which dominated my emotional responses, but on another level I was aware of how very smart he was.
So when I heard the term “Machiavellian,” it seemed to really fit him. It wasn’t until the end, when my pain overtook my attachment to him and I started to disengage, that he seemed to lose control. Disengagement was the one thing he couldn’t respond to. A tremendous amount of what happened between us, I think, was about him soliciting and enforcing my engagement. And that where I think he was more of a sociopath.
Though I’m not sure. Maybe it would be equally true for a narcissist holding on to his “source.”
This is a confusing subject. And that’s one of the reasons I try to stay focused on my own reactions instead of spending too much time figuring him out. To the extent I can do anything about it, I don’t want anything like this in my life ever again.
Thanks again, Steve.
Kathy
Thank you Kathleen – what you write:
This is a confusing subject. And that’s one of the reasons I try to stay focused on my own reactions instead of spending too much time figuring him out. To the extent I can do anything about it, I don’t want anything like this in my life ever again.
this is truly the most important part for me now – I still can get distracted by the desire to define and understand but truly – it does not matter if I know why certain people are a danger to me – I just need to know what the danger signs are and then to remove myself rather than trying to “help” them – which is how I have been sucked in for the most part anyway…
Ugh.
Oxy, i like so much your take on things and really do find myself agreeing with, and appreciating, most everything you say. Thank you for tackling and clarifying some very good, complex questions.
My own take, and consistent, I think, with Donna’s position at LoveFraud, is that “sociopath” and “psychopat,”h for all intents and purposes describe the same personality. Donna has chosen to use the term sociopath on her site, and while there certainly is inconsistency in the literature around these terms, my own bias to regard them as equivalent.
I too have seen distinctions made in various books and articles, etc., between the sociopath and psychopath, but by and large, from my perspective, when I use these terms, they mean the exact same thing.
The antisocial personality disordered individual, on the other hand, often will not meet criteria for sociopathy (aka psychopathy). As Hare and so many others have pointed out, while a majority, for instance, of maximum security inmates will meet criteria for ASPD, only a minority of them will qualify as sociopaths.
The antisocial personality disorder diagnosis is heavily weighted for criminal/illegal activity (hence so many criminals have the diagnosis); but it fails to capture the rarer and, many believe, more salient “affective disturbance” of the sociopath/psychopath.
I know this is a very incomplete answer. I expect others to answer all these questions with much thoughtfulness. I’ll keep track as well.
breckgirl–you ask an excellent question and if the feedback you’ve gotten so far hasn’t satisfied you, i’ll take another crack at it. but your basic take on Simpson–that all, not just some, of his behaviors and motives seemed loaded with narcissism–is very valid.
It is true that OJ was shot through and through with narcissism. I know this response doesn’t answer your confusion, but let me, for the moment, at least validate your instincts and insight!
Steve
Kathy, can so relate to what you are saying. The narcissiopath or whatever that I was involved with would always wait for the moment he knew I was totally in love, and then dump me in the most shocking unexpected way he could think of, when it appeared to even not be in his best interests. That is because his “best interests” weren’t what a normal person wants: love, sex, intimacy, etc. His self-defined “best interests” were total control (almost to the point of coming across as oppositional defiant), being able to hurt deeply but escape blame, WINNING, pulling one over, watching emotional pain with that scientific interest you mentioned, etc. For example, it was more “fun” to unexpectedly tell me “go home” after professing true love and just 20 minutes or so after lovemaking, and lose a week’s sex vacation with me….. than it would have been to have the sex , love and vacation. Oh, and yes, he’d keep the $500 gift I had just given him less than 12 hours earlier. What he got off on was being in control but behind a “good guy” mask, usually. But sometimes, like on that occasion, he was just flip. Said it maybe was because I didn’t go to breakfast with him.
I just think of them now as brain damaged. Am sad for what they could have been with a normal brain, but look at them with the same attitude as when I encounter a coiled rattlesnake shaking the rattles. I know how that story will end if I try to give it a hug. And thankfully, I no longer want to give the hug anyway.
It is disillusioning however. When I was younger, I certainly thought you could always find a way to “work things out” about any misunderstanding. No more.