What do you call someone you’ve been describing alternately as a narcissist and sociopath? Someone for whom neither diagnosis alone quite suffices as a complete description of the individual, but rather in whom both disorders seem as if wrapped up in one menacing individual?
Pardoning my grandiosity for daring to expand the already crowded psychiatric nomeclature, I propose to call these hybrid personalities“narcissiopaths.”
While I don’t expect the DSM folks to take me very seriously (or anyone else for that matter), I’m thinking (unfacetiously) that there’s a case to be made here.
The narcissiopath, as I envision him (using “him” for convenience’s sake) will meet many of the essential criteria for both narcissistic and sociopathic personality. The closest extant clinical description of this disordered individual that comes to mind is the confusing term “maligant narcissist.”
Now personally, I find the term “malignant narcissist” wanting: for instance, precisely at what point does a narcissist turn “malignant?” And doesn’t this imply the concept of non-malignant narcissists who, by definition, must be “benign?” (I’m not so sure their partners would attest to their harmlessness?)
My concept, the narcissiopath, suggests very directly the personality fusion of narcissism and sociopathy in this particular personality. The narcissiopath is the individual who effectively conflates narcissism and sociopathy.
Let me briefly review these separate personalities—the narcissist and sociopath—in their more classical presentations. The narcissist is fundamentally a recognition-craver, a reassurance-craver, a convenience-craver, and an inordinate craver and demander of attention, catering and special status. He is in many respects insatiably needy emotionally.
At root, the narcissist is an overly entitled personality. He feels entitled to be accomodated on a pretty much continual basis. This begs the question, on what basis does he accord himself this right—to expect, that is, the continual accomodation of his needs and desires? The answer is, on the basis of his sense of himself as “special,” and his expectation that others—indeed, the world—will also recognize him as special.
Psychologically, a compensatory process often occurs with the narcissist. His “sensed” and “imposed” specialness is often a compensation for underlying and threatening self-vulnerability; and compensation for doubts about his power, worth and attractiveness—doubts that he is too immature to face squarely and maturely.
Although exploitation is not typically the narcissist’s primary motive, we recognize his capacity to be manipulative, cruel, deceptive and abusive; yet his darker machinations are usually secondary to his demanding, and sometimes desperate, pursuit of others’ attention and cooperation.
The narcissist is imfamously inept at managing his disappointment. He feels that he should never be disappointed, that others owe him protection from disappointment. When disappointed, he will find someone to blame, and will quickly de-idealize and devalue his disappointer.
Devaluing his disappointer now enables him to abuse her or him with more righteous indignation and less guilt.
For the sociopath, this is all much easier. Unlike the narcissist, he doesn’t have to perform mental gymnastics to subdue his guilt in order to exploit others with an unburdened conscience. The sociopath has no guilt to manage.
But the sociopath’s dead conscience isn’t per se what makes him sociopathic. Many people have weak consciences who aren’t sociopaths. It is his dead conscience in conjunction with his orientation to exploit that gets to the heart (really, heartlessness) of the sociopath.
The sociopath is variously a manipulator, liar, deceiver and violator of others; and he is these things less to regulate his unstable self-esteem than, more often than not, to enjoy himself, amuse himself, entertain himself, and take what he feels like taking in a way he finds optimally satisfying.
The sociopath, as I have discussed previously, is an audacious exploiter. His lack of shame supports his imperturbability, which enhances the experience of his audacity. The sociopath leaves one shaking one’s head at his nerve, his gall. One imagines that to venture the deception and outrages the sociopath pursues with his famous, blithe composure, he must possess a chilling callousness and coldness beneath what may otherwise be his veneer of “normality.” One imagines correctly.
Now sometimes we find ourselves dealing, as I’ve suggested, with individuals who seem, at once, to be both narcissist and sociopath, as if straddling, or embodying both disorders.
These are the individuals I’m proposing to call narcissiopaths.
For a good celebrity example of this, consider O.J. Simpson. Simpson, as his story evolved, was someone you found yourself confusingly calling a narcissistic personality disorder (probably correctly) in one conversation, and in the very next, a sociopath (probably correctly).
You found yourself vacillating between the two diagnoses because he seemed to fulfill important criteria of both. There was O.J. the narcissist: publicly charming, charismatic, disarmingly engaging and seductively likeable while privately, behind closed doors, he was tyrannizing Nicole Brown whenever he felt his “omnipotent control” threatened.
Simpson came to epitomize the indulged athlete: catered to all his life for his special athletic gifts, somewhere along the line he came to believe, with ultimately violent conviction, in his right to control and be heeded, not defied.
Simpson was all about “looking good,” about public show; in Nicole Brown he’d found a woman—a “trophy wife—”who could “reflect well” on him publicly, and on his “greatness.” She was also, tragically, the “perfect” choice to engage his narcissistic compulsion to alternately idealize, and then devalue, her; that is, to idealize the perfect, and then devalue the perfectly dirty, sex object.
In other words, in choosing her, Simpson chose well for his narcissism.
In the end, Simpson was as charming, ingratiating, and as shallow and superficial as so many narcissists (and all sociopaths) are.
But he was more than that. He was also callous, and brutally violent. He descended upon Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman like the knife-wielding devil he was, nearly carving Brown’s head off and massacring Goldman.
And then”¦he lied.
He maintained his innocence with outrageous brazenness, determined to win the next stage of yet another game. And where was the remorse? There was none; just his arrogant, insulting contempt.
Simpson had executed a miraculous performance. He had escaped from double-murder and the incontrovertible evidence of his guilt as improbably, as impossibly, as he’d so often escaped (brilliantly) opposing defenses and game-plans geared to stop him.
Finally, although I’d say that Simpson probably tilts, on balance, more to a narcissistic personality structure than not, he also possesses many of the most dangerous and essential diagnostic features of the sociopath. He seems, in other words, to be not entirely one or the other, but both narcissist and sociopath all in one.
I intend to flesh out the concept of the narcissiopath in future posts. And I look forward, as always, to your feedback.
(This article is copyrighted © 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Well, I think all of them are bad news, but Robert Hare says being a sociopath is like having a cold, whereas being a psychopath is like having pneumonia.
But anyways, here is also another view on the difference in the disorders if anyone wants to read the article (it is not too long) and it is written by Dr. Katherine Ramsland, a well known researcher in the field of psychopathy, a college instructor and author of a bunch of books on the subject).
http://incoldblogger.blogspot.com/2007/06/psychopath-vs-sociopath.html
Meloy says in Violent Attachments (page 80 -86) that when they (psychopaths) are compared with narcissistic males, that the psychopath males are just as pathologically narcissistic and self-absorbed (based on Gacono et al. 1992). But the narcissistic male has significantly greater capacities for attachment and anxiety and that the narcissistic male also uses the adaptive defense of idealization more readily than the psychopath.
Meloy says that in psychopaths, that entitlement may negate the possiblility of idealization, as there seems to be an expectation to be served by, rather than idealize, the object. (again Gacono et al. 1992, p. 45)
Meloy goes on to say research indicates the most frequently used defenses in psychopathy are devaluation and massive denial, followed by (in order) projective identification, omnipotence, and splitting……Narcissistic pd’s evidenced mirroring object relations almost identical to psychopaths. But unlike the psychopath, the narcissist sample (in studies) did not have the feelings of being aggressed against, and showed les frequest symbiotic merging, violent symbiosis and reuinion, and boundary disturbance.
That idealization and other higher level defenses such as rationalization and intellectualization, isolation (of the psychopath) , and repression are virtualy absent in psychopathy.
And that when idealization is used, it often is suggestive of self idealization of the enhancement of hard objecs such as the accroutements of power, weapons, money, material goods, or other individuals who have been deanimated into possessions.
meloy says when borderlie and narcissistgic males are compared with psychopathic males, the defensive operations are similar and it suggests a common borderline personality organization with associated defenses.
However, psychopaths produce significantly fewer idealization responses than other groups. That pswychopaths manipulate and destroy hope in order to ward off their own feelings of envy towards the perceived goodness in others. And that envy is a primary feeling and central to the affective regulation of the psychopath, suggestive of oral sadistic and anal sadistic destructive impulses (Klein 1957)
Another difference between the narcissist and the psychopath per Meloy seems to be alcoholism and drug problems. Smith and Newman (1990) found that psychoapths were more likely than non psychopaths to have a lifetime diagnosis of alcoholisn, any drug disorder, and also multiple drug disorders.
That substance abuse is significantly related to Factor 2 (antisocial behavior), but not to Factor 1 (aggressive narcissism).
Dear JAH, Your analogy of the rattle snake is very similar to mine, I maintain that no matter how you are kind to a rattle snake, and love it and do things fo rit, it will NEVER GROW HAIR AND LOVE YOU BACK LIKE A PUPPY! LOL
Jen, thanks for that very good and informational post. No matter what “research” does to indicate the various different levels of various traits of the TOXIC personaity disorders—by whatever name they choose to call them, or how many different “catagories” they come up with as “diagnositc” criteria for each of these “different” diaagnoses, the BOTTOM LINE, TAKE HOME LESSON is that these people are TOXIC to relationships no matter whether their “level is” great or small compared to others of their ilk, and that there is NO FIXING THEM however much therapy they get, AND THAT ANY OF THESE TRAITS (even without a professional diagnosis–which few of us on this blog are qualified to make) we are worse than idiots if now that we know what the red flags are, and realized we are dealing with toxic people, we don’t FLEE AS FAST AS WE CAN from these people at the FIRST SIGN OF A RED FLAG…we may end up fleeing frm just an “ordinary” liar instead of someone who is TOTALLY TOXIC, but so what? Do we want to associate ourselves with even an “ordinary” liar in a CLOSE relationship?
Well, maybe I am being “too judgmental” in saying that the FIRST TIME I find out someone lied to me, that is THE END of any close relationship or ANY TRUST with that person (young children excepted) and that I do not want to have anything to do with them in teh future. Maybe that makes me an “opinionated old judgmental biddy” but you know what???? TOWANDA!!! for me!!!!
The narcissist I knew was subject to crushing shame and lived with a very high degree of stress. He was constantly trying to impress the right people, and it was a lot of work. He also needed to lord it over a certain number of people, and build himself by tearing them down. He tended to have a compulsion to do absolutely crazy grands things that almost always ended badly. He suffered horrible depressions when he was unmasked in one of his schemes or thwarted. In one memorable instance, he threw a fit that bore a striking resemblance to a psychotic episode.
The narcissist absolutely had to destroy people who he associated with his humiliation, but only to prove once and for all that he was wonderful and they were dirt. He did it in an effort to stop his pain. He lived parasitically, but only because no jobs were offered that were “special” enough for his particular gifts.
The sociopath I knew experienced little or no stress or anxiety. He lived parasitically, and felt no shame over this. He manipulated people into giving him what he wanted because he could. He discarded people when he no longer had use for them, and slandered them only in an effort to cover his tracks. Over and over again he assaulted people, conned people, used and discarded people and used drugs. He was addicted to excitement, and stirred up stupid fights out of boredom.
Sure, the sociopath acted arrogant, and did some of the same things the narcissist did. Sure, the narcissist was parasitic, and did some of the same things the sociopath did.
To me, the key difference was in the two men’s emotional life. When the Sociopath said he was depressed, he meant that he was bored. When the Narcissist said he was depressed, he meant that he was crushed by anxiety, pain, shame and/or fear. The narcissist’s emotions were literally making him physically ill.
To this day, I’ll avoid both men when I can. The difference is, I’ll go to greater effort to avoid the narcissist. He’s so emotional that an encounter with me will send him into a tailspin. He’ll remember that I’m aware of certain indiscretions of his, and his shame, pain and impotent rage will boil over. He’ll act the fool, or make himself sick from his own emotions. He may lash out and impulsively harm me, because he simply isn’t in his right mind. The sociopath on the other hand, suffers not a bit if he encounters me. I avoid him because nothing good comes from being around him. If he approaches me, I assume he’s up to no good, because that’s what kind of person he is. He’ll harm me if there’s something in it for him.
So in my limited experience, the two conditions have manifested themselves as distinct. The two men are equally dangerous, but in significantly different ways.
EC,
I agree with you that sometimes their motivations are different, and other things as well…but the bottom line on either is that they are BOTH TOXIC….it doesn’t matter to me if a poison snake’s venom is hemo-toxic or is neuro-toxic, I am still going to have to deal with a POISON SNAKE BITE though the two bites and the toxins may act somewhat differently within my system….the point is that I am going to ENDURE SWELLING, PAIN, POSSIBLE LOSS OF A LIMB, OR OTHER DISABILITY, & POSSIBLE DEATH — so, ultimately a poison snake is a poison snake. Rattle snake (hemo-toxic) or cobra (neuro-toxic) I’m still SNAKE BIT!
Elizabeth Conley, thanks for that description. It relates to my experience too.
Some years ago when I was training as a consultant with Brain Technologies (with the authors of “Strategy of the Dolphin”), I worked with one of their testing instruments about personal negotiating style. The options were give in, give up, win, compromise and something they called “breakthrough,” which was a creative win-win.
But the really interesting thing about this instrument was that it showed two layers of style. One of the way we negotiate when we’re not stressed (feeling resourceful), and the other was when we’re stressed (feeling resourceless). And they were really, really different.
Later I learned about the concept of decompensation, which is how a personality type can change under stress. And that seemed to be related to this concept.
You didn’t mention any borderlines in your description. But I was involved with a borderline once. And she has two very different modes. One was how she behaved when she felt secure and getting all her needs for emotional shelter met. The other was when anything got between her and her “source” — that is the person she identified as her emotional home. And then she turned into one of the scariest people I’ve ever known. Vicious, destructive, manipulative, vindictive.
It was because of her that I first became acquainted with the concept of decompensation, and it also matched that dual strategy that I say on the Brain Technologies test.
I’m wondering if something like this is in play with this narcissists that the cross the line. I saw the same thing you did in the nature of my ex’s depressions. He was no doubt a narcissist. But when his plans were threatened, he became something else entirely. Much colder, much more grasping and destructive. He completely abandoned whatever ethical structure he had when he was in a more resourceful mode.
Maybe I’m reaching here. Or maybe, as Oxy says, it doesn’t matter. But for me, who is trying to recognize patterns of behavior for my own defense, I think this difference in the way they present might be important.
There’s something needy in narcissists. For all their arrogance and bombast, it comes across pretty clearly. Something I’ve seen over and over with myself and the people I know who’ve gotten into these relationships, we relate and respond to this neediness. It seems easy enough to give them the ego support they need. Which often involves overlooking the incongruities in their stories, their lies, because we assume they’re doing it because they have similar emotional problems as us. By us, I mean people who are looking for validation, flattery or other types of positive attention to feel secure.
We give it to them. They give it to us. We think we understand what’s going on, and we reach what we think is a nice, mutually supportive stasis.
But, as you say, their internal architecture isn’t like ours. Or rather their way of getting out of their pain. Totally different strategies.
Kathleen,
“But for me, who is trying to recognize patterns of behavior for my own defense, I think this difference in the way they present might be important.”
That’s my natural reaction too. I want to spot them earlier, and deal with them more effectively.
Elizabeth Conley,
Wow Elizabeth your description of the differences of the two that you encountered was very good.
Can you elaborate any more differences? You were able to clarify differences I had not exactly understood before.
Thanks
It is interesting to me that more women are diagnosed as “borderline” and more men as “Ns or Ps” and yet ther eis a great deal of overlap in the behaviors of Ns and Ps and BPDs when they are STRESSEd or something is threatening them.
I do know that many BPDs do have physical self mutilation issues that generally Ns, Ps don’t, and BPDs also seem to have more anxiety about losing their “supply source” than typically males do—-they have many otehr things in common though, like the “instant friendship” and the “love bombing” on the start of the relationships. Also, the “short memory” for their outbursts of violence one minute, then wanting to go on as if “nothing had happened” five minutes before when they tried to claw your eyes out.
I actually saw that behavior in a 10 year old child who attacked one of my sons when he was about that same age, and admitted later she was trying to claw his eyes out and make him BLIND—this same girl, later waltzed back into my life after a many year distance and her “life story” and her admitted behavior is so BORDERLINE she ought to be “text book” and “poster child” for BPD. Her mother’s “life story” is also very “borderline trait” heavy.
In fact, I have known the family on both sides (or my family has) for 4 generations, and there are dysfunctional and violent tendencies on both sides of her family leading back generations.
Looking back now on this episode of this girl when she was only 10, I see I think the situation more clearly now than I did then. At the time I thought it semi-serious that she would admit that she had INTENDED to make my son blind, but I didn’t see the significance I see in the incident today. I know kids get mad at each other and “fight” but the intention of BLINDING my son I think was a little over the top for a “normal” kid fighting (which at the time I thought she was.)
It seems like a good description to me.
I have come across someone on the internet who looks like a classic Cluster B. This woman abuses, lies, totally misrepresents, threatens and gaslights all over the place. Its quite incredible.
She says totally outrageous things about people she has never met and is never likely to meet – its almost like she is wanting a celebrity/politician to file slander charges against her.
If you want to see a cluster B in action, its a fascinating study.