What do you call someone you’ve been describing alternately as a narcissist and sociopath? Someone for whom neither diagnosis alone quite suffices as a complete description of the individual, but rather in whom both disorders seem as if wrapped up in one menacing individual?
Pardoning my grandiosity for daring to expand the already crowded psychiatric nomeclature, I propose to call these hybrid personalities“narcissiopaths.”
While I don’t expect the DSM folks to take me very seriously (or anyone else for that matter), I’m thinking (unfacetiously) that there’s a case to be made here.
The narcissiopath, as I envision him (using “him” for convenience’s sake) will meet many of the essential criteria for both narcissistic and sociopathic personality. The closest extant clinical description of this disordered individual that comes to mind is the confusing term “maligant narcissist.”
Now personally, I find the term “malignant narcissist” wanting: for instance, precisely at what point does a narcissist turn “malignant?” And doesn’t this imply the concept of non-malignant narcissists who, by definition, must be “benign?” (I’m not so sure their partners would attest to their harmlessness?)
My concept, the narcissiopath, suggests very directly the personality fusion of narcissism and sociopathy in this particular personality. The narcissiopath is the individual who effectively conflates narcissism and sociopathy.
Let me briefly review these separate personalities—the narcissist and sociopath—in their more classical presentations. The narcissist is fundamentally a recognition-craver, a reassurance-craver, a convenience-craver, and an inordinate craver and demander of attention, catering and special status. He is in many respects insatiably needy emotionally.
At root, the narcissist is an overly entitled personality. He feels entitled to be accomodated on a pretty much continual basis. This begs the question, on what basis does he accord himself this right—to expect, that is, the continual accomodation of his needs and desires? The answer is, on the basis of his sense of himself as “special,” and his expectation that others—indeed, the world—will also recognize him as special.
Psychologically, a compensatory process often occurs with the narcissist. His “sensed” and “imposed” specialness is often a compensation for underlying and threatening self-vulnerability; and compensation for doubts about his power, worth and attractiveness—doubts that he is too immature to face squarely and maturely.
Although exploitation is not typically the narcissist’s primary motive, we recognize his capacity to be manipulative, cruel, deceptive and abusive; yet his darker machinations are usually secondary to his demanding, and sometimes desperate, pursuit of others’ attention and cooperation.
The narcissist is imfamously inept at managing his disappointment. He feels that he should never be disappointed, that others owe him protection from disappointment. When disappointed, he will find someone to blame, and will quickly de-idealize and devalue his disappointer.
Devaluing his disappointer now enables him to abuse her or him with more righteous indignation and less guilt.
For the sociopath, this is all much easier. Unlike the narcissist, he doesn’t have to perform mental gymnastics to subdue his guilt in order to exploit others with an unburdened conscience. The sociopath has no guilt to manage.
But the sociopath’s dead conscience isn’t per se what makes him sociopathic. Many people have weak consciences who aren’t sociopaths. It is his dead conscience in conjunction with his orientation to exploit that gets to the heart (really, heartlessness) of the sociopath.
The sociopath is variously a manipulator, liar, deceiver and violator of others; and he is these things less to regulate his unstable self-esteem than, more often than not, to enjoy himself, amuse himself, entertain himself, and take what he feels like taking in a way he finds optimally satisfying.
The sociopath, as I have discussed previously, is an audacious exploiter. His lack of shame supports his imperturbability, which enhances the experience of his audacity. The sociopath leaves one shaking one’s head at his nerve, his gall. One imagines that to venture the deception and outrages the sociopath pursues with his famous, blithe composure, he must possess a chilling callousness and coldness beneath what may otherwise be his veneer of “normality.” One imagines correctly.
Now sometimes we find ourselves dealing, as I’ve suggested, with individuals who seem, at once, to be both narcissist and sociopath, as if straddling, or embodying both disorders.
These are the individuals I’m proposing to call narcissiopaths.
For a good celebrity example of this, consider O.J. Simpson. Simpson, as his story evolved, was someone you found yourself confusingly calling a narcissistic personality disorder (probably correctly) in one conversation, and in the very next, a sociopath (probably correctly).
You found yourself vacillating between the two diagnoses because he seemed to fulfill important criteria of both. There was O.J. the narcissist: publicly charming, charismatic, disarmingly engaging and seductively likeable while privately, behind closed doors, he was tyrannizing Nicole Brown whenever he felt his “omnipotent control” threatened.
Simpson came to epitomize the indulged athlete: catered to all his life for his special athletic gifts, somewhere along the line he came to believe, with ultimately violent conviction, in his right to control and be heeded, not defied.
Simpson was all about “looking good,” about public show; in Nicole Brown he’d found a woman—a “trophy wife—”who could “reflect well” on him publicly, and on his “greatness.” She was also, tragically, the “perfect” choice to engage his narcissistic compulsion to alternately idealize, and then devalue, her; that is, to idealize the perfect, and then devalue the perfectly dirty, sex object.
In other words, in choosing her, Simpson chose well for his narcissism.
In the end, Simpson was as charming, ingratiating, and as shallow and superficial as so many narcissists (and all sociopaths) are.
But he was more than that. He was also callous, and brutally violent. He descended upon Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman like the knife-wielding devil he was, nearly carving Brown’s head off and massacring Goldman.
And then”¦he lied.
He maintained his innocence with outrageous brazenness, determined to win the next stage of yet another game. And where was the remorse? There was none; just his arrogant, insulting contempt.
Simpson had executed a miraculous performance. He had escaped from double-murder and the incontrovertible evidence of his guilt as improbably, as impossibly, as he’d so often escaped (brilliantly) opposing defenses and game-plans geared to stop him.
Finally, although I’d say that Simpson probably tilts, on balance, more to a narcissistic personality structure than not, he also possesses many of the most dangerous and essential diagnostic features of the sociopath. He seems, in other words, to be not entirely one or the other, but both narcissist and sociopath all in one.
I intend to flesh out the concept of the narcissiopath in future posts. And I look forward, as always, to your feedback.
(This article is copyrighted © 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
The posts in question start around September 2008, July 2008 and May 2008.
Sure its a site that gets alot of animated discussions, but these responses seem different.
I feel very strongly that this new word is not only unnecessary and confusing, but also separates two behaviors that are equally as dangerous. I have to disagree, with Steve’s picture he has painted.
All the narcissists I have known, when disappointed enough, are quite capable of the psychopaths deadly violent behavior. And none of them have genuine guilt. They will act guilty. But what they are experiencing is only fear, NOT guilt. They are afraid that the next phase of their exploitation (to get their narcissistic supply, ( i.e. the horrific violence or exploitation or inhumane behaviour) is going to be much more difficult to get away with, (win) for them.
I believe that the narcissist, if given the circumstances, is just as equally capable as the psychopath, to do just as much damage as the latter and completely without guilt. It is only a matter of time and opportunity.
The psychopath also often idealizes and then later devalues in their treatment of their victims. It is nothing to do with their self esteem or justification. It is just a fun/game thing for them to do. They don’t NEED to justify anything to themselves…only others.
Psychopaths also often insist on all of the needy idolizing and specialness that narcissists do. Not because they “feel” anything, but just because “they can”.
In my experience, narcissists are just psychopaths in the making. They are at the kindergarten stage of the monster. Some narcissists may skip all schooling and graduate with honors in being a psychopath at a tender age or overnight.
For others, it may take until their mid fifties for them to graduate with honors in cold hearted callousness. Rarely does it take longer.
Or, like most psychopaths I know, they may go to their grave never having been caught for their murderous ways, always being seen as the “immature, funloving, childish narcissist” they pretend to be. Rather than the cold blooded crocodile waiting in the swamp, that they really are.
“Narcissiopath” is a waste of a word. There is no such thing. It is a euphemism for “psychopath in the making”, or “psychopath with their mask intact”.
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Furtherto:
Here are some justifications from guys who started out as “immature narissists”:
“I did this not as a sex act . . . but out of hate for her. I don’t mean out of hate for her in particular, really I mean out of hate for a woman.”
ALBERT DESALVO
“Society right from the very beginning started to make me an animal. . . that’s why I started all that killing.”
ALBERT DE SALVO
“I’ve killed no one. I’ve ordered no one to be killed. These children who come to you with their knives, they’re your children. I didn’t teach them, you did.”
CHARLES MANSON
“He started messing with the Christmas tree, telling me how nice the Christmas tree was. So I shot him.”
DAVID BULLOCK
“I talked to her saying I was sorry for what I had done. It was the first time I had apologized to someone I had killed”
PETER SUTCLIFFE
“What I did is not such a great harm, with all these surplus women nowadays. Anyway, I had a good time.”
RUDOLF PLEIL
Yet another childish Narcissist got five years for murder.
Peter Rollings went to his neighbors for a Christmas party. When one of his friends (in the hallway) said “Merry Christmas Peter”, he beat him to death.
The jury decided to give “poor Peter Rollings” a charge of manslaughter instead of murder.
The reason?
Peter and his girlfriend were sick of hearing, “Merry Christmas”, because, you see, they were pagan. And poor Peter took “Merry Christmas Peter” as an offense to his religion.
The following quote perfectly sums up for me the confusion that many of us have over whether someone is a P or an N.
He said this to me in calm, cold, emotionless and menacing tone of voice the day I walked away, having confronted him about the stolen money, the Other Woman, the deceit, lies etc. etc. Nothing fazed him and his only comment:-
“You can hate me – but don’t forget me”.
The words of a Narcissopath.
Swallow
Thanks for the articles you provide. This web site has remained a source of help for me for years. What I have found is that the cops, courts, and mandated reporters are so easily manipulated and easily jump on the side of the NPD-S. In my own cases, I have brought information to the “Friend of the Court” workers documenting lie after lie that my ex has presented and yet these people refuse to hold him accountable for purjery, lying, assaults, child abuse, and domestic violence (I have been divorced from him for 11 years and it is still taking place). He even admitted assaulting me and the Friend of the Court worker “forgot” about this and VOLUNTEERED to testify on his behalf during a custody trial in which custody was changed. This Court worker and others write recommendations to the judges and the judges have always signed that won’t let parents get my son medical or educational treatment unless their NCP-S ex agrees. There are other women I have connected with who have very similar situations. One lady’s son has a growth on his leg that should be removed in order for it to be checked for cancer. The father is stopping the operation until after baseball season. Meanwhile, the child cannot sleep well and fears having cancer. I have also accompanied a friend of mine to the hospital who was beat up and bruised from her husband. When the hospital social worker contacted the cops, the cops came to the hospital and asked my bruised friend, “Well, what do you want us to do about it?” I understand why the abused want to get to safety and go to the extremem of going underground or killing their abuser. The only thing that keeps me from taking various situations in my own hands is the small Bible verse that states, “VENGENCE IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD.”
witsend said:
Elizabeth Conley,
Can you elaborate any more differences? You were able to clarify differences I had not exactly understood before.
Thanks
Sadly, no. My encounters with cluster B personality disorders have been very, very limited. People like Steve have much more experience to draw from.
I will only state that the haughty affect of the Narcissist and the Sociopath seem to draw from two distinct sources. The Narcissist is deeply anxious, and at his core he has a very, very low self image. The Sociopath suffers little or no anxiety, and tends to have a high self image. I have noticed that the sociopath tends to base his high self image on his proficiency in skills the rest of us don’t value. He’s usually very proud of his ability to manipulate people and steal from “normals”.
The Narcissist is often really, really concerned about being seen as a good person. He reasons that he is “honest” if he doesn’t make any technically false statements. He reasons that he is not stealing if someone else in his family or organization is technically the one committing the theft. He further prefers his bribes or cons to be presented to him as gifts, because this affirms his self-worth. In other words, he does a lot of really bad things, and he lies to himself about what’s actually happening. He could not do these bad things if he weren’t able to conceal from himself the reality that his behavior is bad.
A Sociopath doesn’t worry about whether anyone else thinks he’s a good person, except that a good image aids him in committing his cons. (While the Narcissist is very distressed that his former victims see him as bad, a Sociopath is derisive: “What did you expect, Sucker!”) A sociopath doesn’t have an emotional need to consider himself good. He can have a very high opinion of himself, based on his outstanding skillfulness in being bad.
The reason we get in such trouble with a Narcissist is that the ride is over once they realize you’re on to them. You’re realization forces them to see themselves, if only for a split second, in an ugly light. Their fury is overwhelming, and it doesn’t fade with time. They will do everything in their power to punish you for that split second you held up a mirror to their faces. The fact that you had no idea that you were doing this to them, or how painful the experience would be for them, does not mitigate their fury toward you.
The reason we get in trouble with a sociopath is that we were targeted by a cold-blooded, remorseless criminal.
What the two types have in common is that the rest of us are far less “real” to them than they are to themselves. They’re 2 years old, when it comes to understanding where they begin and the rest of us end, and the value of interacting in a mutually beneficial way with a separate entity.
One of the nicest things about our discussion is that we are not actualoly trying to make a “legal diagnosis” so we don’t have to stick to a “set formula” in our conversation or have the “experts” agree with us….we can use PLAIN OLD COMMON SENSE in deciding what the symptoms are and what a “name” (if any) should be. Plus, we don’t even have to AGREE to DISAGREE or anything else, we can each have our own opinions on this and still ALL BE RIGHT!
There are some things I think we all agree on for sure, and that is that WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM, they are TOXIC.
I think most of us agree on what narcissism is—self centered-ness to one degree or another, and we all pretty much agree that a socio/psycho-path has no conscience or empathy.
I think where the diffe4rences in our thought though is that some people seem to think that a person ahs to be a NARCISSIST OR A SOCIO/PSYCHOPATH (and I use both words there because though even Hare tries to differentiate between a socio and a psycho-path, and an ASPD the “reasons” I think aren’t so much a difference in behavior as a difference in internal THINKING or how they got that way (genetics or environment).
Personally, to use the snake analogy again—I don’t CARE how it EVOLVED or if God zapped it into existence or aliens dropped it on earth from a space ship—(a) the thing will bite you *(b) it is poison (c) I need to learn to recognize the EXTERIOR APPEARANCE so I can distinguish it from NON-poison snakes (d) I need to keep my eyes open so it doesn’t sneak up on me close enough to bite
Since there are SEVERAL types of poison snakes, there may be some difference in their exterior appearance, but they are all still VERY SIMILAR. ALL the poison snakes in my area are pit vipers, they are all long and skinny, they all have triangular shpaed heads, they ALL have “pits” on the front of their heads that look like nostrils. The colors may vary even withhin a species, and the usual habitatsmay vary somewhat, one kind is a primary water snake, but they all can and do swim from time to time.
They are MORE ALIKE THAN DIFFERENT, and though they are poison, they actually have some benefit to the ecology of the world, and as long as you don’t get too close to them, they can’t hurt you.
My own Personal opinion is that the Ns-Ps-Ss, ASPDs, Cluster Bs, toxic enablers, etc. are ALL toxic and all potentially harmfull, but if we recognize the GENERAL DISCRIPTIONS of the entire situation of DYSFUNCTIONAL BEHAVIOR then we are able to protect ourselves by keeping these people out of our lives.
We all know what the “RED FLAGS” are (there are tons of lists of them here on this site) and if we observe for RED FLAGS and then RUN from that person at the FIRST SIGN of a red flag waving—we are much more likely to not get bitten.
Dear Oxdrover,
I’m in complete agreement with you that the ultimate solution to dealing with an N or an S is the same: no contact.
The only reason I recognize the conditions as distinct is that I’ve observed that because of the differences in their emotional life, lumping them together can cause us to fail to identify on or the other type. For instance, the extreme shame and genuine anxiety of a narcissist can cause us to fail to identify him/her as hazardous, if we are expecting him/her to exhibit the low arousal and remorselessness of a sociopath.
Also, the emotional outbursts of a narcissist may blindside us if we’re looking out for the cold-blooded sneakiness of a Sociopath. A Narcissist in a snit is amazing to behold. Imagine a person with the strength and size of a grown man exploding like a thwarted toddler. It’s terrifying. They can totally disconnect with reality, staring into space and muttering curses, or raving like lunatics.
Mind you, I feel very sorry for Narcissists, but I consider them to be quite dangerous. Their capacity to hold on to hatred indefinitely makes them at least as scary as a sociopath. A sociopath will eventually lose interest in harming a particular target, because the target can no longer supply what the S wants. To the sociopath it’s nothing personal – just business. The narcissist won’t stop until the target is destroyed, because it’s personal as far as the N is concerned.