What do you call someone you’ve been describing alternately as a narcissist and sociopath? Someone for whom neither diagnosis alone quite suffices as a complete description of the individual, but rather in whom both disorders seem as if wrapped up in one menacing individual?
Pardoning my grandiosity for daring to expand the already crowded psychiatric nomeclature, I propose to call these hybrid personalities“narcissiopaths.”
While I don’t expect the DSM folks to take me very seriously (or anyone else for that matter), I’m thinking (unfacetiously) that there’s a case to be made here.
The narcissiopath, as I envision him (using “him” for convenience’s sake) will meet many of the essential criteria for both narcissistic and sociopathic personality. The closest extant clinical description of this disordered individual that comes to mind is the confusing term “maligant narcissist.”
Now personally, I find the term “malignant narcissist” wanting: for instance, precisely at what point does a narcissist turn “malignant?” And doesn’t this imply the concept of non-malignant narcissists who, by definition, must be “benign?” (I’m not so sure their partners would attest to their harmlessness?)
My concept, the narcissiopath, suggests very directly the personality fusion of narcissism and sociopathy in this particular personality. The narcissiopath is the individual who effectively conflates narcissism and sociopathy.
Let me briefly review these separate personalities—the narcissist and sociopath—in their more classical presentations. The narcissist is fundamentally a recognition-craver, a reassurance-craver, a convenience-craver, and an inordinate craver and demander of attention, catering and special status. He is in many respects insatiably needy emotionally.
At root, the narcissist is an overly entitled personality. He feels entitled to be accomodated on a pretty much continual basis. This begs the question, on what basis does he accord himself this right—to expect, that is, the continual accomodation of his needs and desires? The answer is, on the basis of his sense of himself as “special,” and his expectation that others—indeed, the world—will also recognize him as special.
Psychologically, a compensatory process often occurs with the narcissist. His “sensed” and “imposed” specialness is often a compensation for underlying and threatening self-vulnerability; and compensation for doubts about his power, worth and attractiveness—doubts that he is too immature to face squarely and maturely.
Although exploitation is not typically the narcissist’s primary motive, we recognize his capacity to be manipulative, cruel, deceptive and abusive; yet his darker machinations are usually secondary to his demanding, and sometimes desperate, pursuit of others’ attention and cooperation.
The narcissist is imfamously inept at managing his disappointment. He feels that he should never be disappointed, that others owe him protection from disappointment. When disappointed, he will find someone to blame, and will quickly de-idealize and devalue his disappointer.
Devaluing his disappointer now enables him to abuse her or him with more righteous indignation and less guilt.
For the sociopath, this is all much easier. Unlike the narcissist, he doesn’t have to perform mental gymnastics to subdue his guilt in order to exploit others with an unburdened conscience. The sociopath has no guilt to manage.
But the sociopath’s dead conscience isn’t per se what makes him sociopathic. Many people have weak consciences who aren’t sociopaths. It is his dead conscience in conjunction with his orientation to exploit that gets to the heart (really, heartlessness) of the sociopath.
The sociopath is variously a manipulator, liar, deceiver and violator of others; and he is these things less to regulate his unstable self-esteem than, more often than not, to enjoy himself, amuse himself, entertain himself, and take what he feels like taking in a way he finds optimally satisfying.
The sociopath, as I have discussed previously, is an audacious exploiter. His lack of shame supports his imperturbability, which enhances the experience of his audacity. The sociopath leaves one shaking one’s head at his nerve, his gall. One imagines that to venture the deception and outrages the sociopath pursues with his famous, blithe composure, he must possess a chilling callousness and coldness beneath what may otherwise be his veneer of “normality.” One imagines correctly.
Now sometimes we find ourselves dealing, as I’ve suggested, with individuals who seem, at once, to be both narcissist and sociopath, as if straddling, or embodying both disorders.
These are the individuals I’m proposing to call narcissiopaths.
For a good celebrity example of this, consider O.J. Simpson. Simpson, as his story evolved, was someone you found yourself confusingly calling a narcissistic personality disorder (probably correctly) in one conversation, and in the very next, a sociopath (probably correctly).
You found yourself vacillating between the two diagnoses because he seemed to fulfill important criteria of both. There was O.J. the narcissist: publicly charming, charismatic, disarmingly engaging and seductively likeable while privately, behind closed doors, he was tyrannizing Nicole Brown whenever he felt his “omnipotent control” threatened.
Simpson came to epitomize the indulged athlete: catered to all his life for his special athletic gifts, somewhere along the line he came to believe, with ultimately violent conviction, in his right to control and be heeded, not defied.
Simpson was all about “looking good,” about public show; in Nicole Brown he’d found a woman—a “trophy wife—”who could “reflect well” on him publicly, and on his “greatness.” She was also, tragically, the “perfect” choice to engage his narcissistic compulsion to alternately idealize, and then devalue, her; that is, to idealize the perfect, and then devalue the perfectly dirty, sex object.
In other words, in choosing her, Simpson chose well for his narcissism.
In the end, Simpson was as charming, ingratiating, and as shallow and superficial as so many narcissists (and all sociopaths) are.
But he was more than that. He was also callous, and brutally violent. He descended upon Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman like the knife-wielding devil he was, nearly carving Brown’s head off and massacring Goldman.
And then”¦he lied.
He maintained his innocence with outrageous brazenness, determined to win the next stage of yet another game. And where was the remorse? There was none; just his arrogant, insulting contempt.
Simpson had executed a miraculous performance. He had escaped from double-murder and the incontrovertible evidence of his guilt as improbably, as impossibly, as he’d so often escaped (brilliantly) opposing defenses and game-plans geared to stop him.
Finally, although I’d say that Simpson probably tilts, on balance, more to a narcissistic personality structure than not, he also possesses many of the most dangerous and essential diagnostic features of the sociopath. He seems, in other words, to be not entirely one or the other, but both narcissist and sociopath all in one.
I intend to flesh out the concept of the narcissiopath in future posts. And I look forward, as always, to your feedback.
(This article is copyrighted © 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
EC said: “A sociopath will eventually lose interest in harming a particular target, because the target can no longer supply what the S wants. To the sociopath it’s nothing personal – just business.”
Well, my opinion is that this is a dangerous misconception. From the socio blogs/forums I used to follow, the one thing most of them seemed to have in common was a great capacity to have you be out of sight/out of mind (so no they didn’t sit around and obsess over you until they could get revenge if they felt you wronged them in some way), BUT they still tried to get revenge when an opportunity presented itself, even many years later. Many of them said they could patiently wait years and years to seek revenge (and one forum actually had a thread started about the revenge subject), yet they could carry on with their life not really giving you any thought, pretty much like you did not exist for them most of the time unless they were in the mood for you to exist for them, until the time was right. But they never EVER forgot being wronged by you (in their mind) no matter how many years passed.
And another common theme was how they would appear to make up with you or be letting by gones be bygones for years so you would drop your guard, and then when the time was right for them they would strike.
My personal opinion after following all those blogs etc. is that a true sociopath or psychopath never forgives or forgets. And if you are actually with a true socio or psycho and not just a person who has some of the traits, you will NOT be allowed to win over them without some form of retribution at some point in the future if there is anyway possible for them to get retribution (like they aren’t in jail for example) . I feel the real mccoy is so dangerous that my attitude is now like that researcher in Hare’s Without Conscience who pissed that psychopath off and then was so scared he left the country and refused to come back to the country.
Instead of hanging round fighting with them over “stuff”, I say (for me anyway and it was the only thing that worked even though he still hasn;t given up) is run like hell and get as far away from them as you can to make it as difficult as you can for them to mess with you. But hey, I’m chicken like that now after my experience. The one I was with told me (and not in anger but in absolute icy calmness) that he would was going to bring me down and destroy me, that he would not rest, until he had broken me both emotionally and financially– then he set about trying to do just that and he did quite a bit of damage before I jumped ship and left the state. Then he reversed tactics and reeled me back in (talk about me being dumb) for a brief period but after a brief and glorious reunion it became obvious (even to dumb-at the time– in denial me) that all he wanted was to get assess to me so he could set about doing the above and he was setting about doing his dmanage all over again.
I have not seen or spoken to him in 17 months and no longer even live in the same state (btw, I have on tape where he left a voicemail when I moved telling me he succeeded in running me out of state and that he won. He actually says, “I won!” and LAUGHS. But anyway, he STILL periodically tries to reach and manipulate from afar. So, to my dying day, OR his dying day, regardless if he is married or seems to be otherwise occupied, I will never ever have an attitude of well, it has been xxxx number of years now so he has forgotten all about me and I am safe. I live my life (and it is good now), but I am still mindful of the fact he is and will always be a potential danger to me. My only real regret at the moment is that he does know the location of my house, due to that brief period where he reeled me back in. Not the brightest thing I did, but perhaps if the economy improves I will sell this place and move to another house. That is just how dangerous I think a psychopath is and will continue to be.
I agree with you on the danger, Jen, both my P-sperm donor and my P-son are/were extremely dangerous and NEVER forgot an N-injury, both ARE text-book psychopaths, but also a 10 on a scale of 1-10 in Narcissistic traits.
Jen – Never let your gaurd down with your X, you described someone I know too a T..He made threats and pleaded for forgiveness in the same breath. Have not seen the monster in a year and a half but I am always watching my back – the gift of fear is real. I hope he is history, I am sure he is, but if he get’s down and out and desperate he knows where I am. I lived in fear when he was with me, I dont want to stir up a hornets nest by antagonizing him and if he thinks he won (your X) power to him….also when my N mom went into a nursing home and could no longer drive or walk I felt a great sense of relief – she was capable of murder and had threatened me many times over the years…….if I had listened to my fears and gut feelings with these people from the beginning instead of giving them the benifit of the doubt I would …oh well hindsight is 20 – 20
Jen2008, I am in complete agreement with your statement, “My personal opinion after following all those blogs etc. is that a true sociopath or psychopath never forgives or forgets.”
I now live 1800 miles away and I know I will be living as you describe for the rest of my life. He, too, vowed to destroy me — and financially, he has almost succeeded.
IF the economy turns around, I MAY be able to salvage some of my financial assets that I still have. — but I’ll never let him know!!
Did anyone happen to see Oprah yesterday? It was a rerun but I watched it again because it was a good show the first time.
2 women both victims, both involved murder, one her husband and the other her father. One was a victum of domestic abuse and one was a victum of sexual abuse. BOTH of them were being “judged” by both the audience and Oprah herself. And I would imagine most everyone watching the show.
Oprah was “kinder” to the woman who murdered her father because she herself has been molested. You could tell that she “doesn’t get it” when it came to the other woman who was involved in the domestic abuse. Because of course the big question is always “why didn’t you leave?”
The general thought pattern of most people never involved in such a relationship is judgemental because they don’t understand the dynamics that go on in realtionships with an S/P/N.
ALOT has to happen emotionally/mentally between 2 people before the battered wife enters the emergency room and is bruised from head to toe, (obviously from a beating) yet claims “I fell down the stairs.”
What is MISSING from all of the shows that air on TV is the AWARENESS of the general public of what really happens to victims of such relationships.
Because LF is a place where people do “get it” because many have been walking in shoes very similar to many of these victims, maybe it would be also a place to have a “list” not only to spot the potential S/P/N and the critera they fall into but also a “list” better explaining (to the general public) how it is to be a victim of such a preditor.
My humble opinion is that the general public “gets it” that their are bad people out there…..They see enough of that on the news everyday. However they haven’t a clue on what transpires between the “preditor” and how he/she lures and then “holds” onto emotionally/mentally the victim & continues to abuse them.
Dear Witsend,
There are many books written about psychopaths, narcissists and other personality disordered people and unfortunately, even th e professionals don’t agree on the name(s) for the problems or if there is treatment for such a disorder(s).
The media doesn’t get it either, to the media, for the most part. a “psychopath” is the same as Ted Bundy, Charlie Manson etc. not the hateful physician or minister who lives next door, or even the sexual pervert who targets young children. Unless the person is a sexual saddist or a mass murderer he/she is not rated as a psychopath.
Most Judges (who are basically just attorneys) don’t get it, and too many attorneys themselves are psychopaths because this along with other “power” jobs like police officer, are target jobs for people with control and power issues. Many therapists don’t get it either, and one therapist asked a friend of mine who was with a violent psychopath asked my friend “Have you tried TALKING TO HIM?” DUH!!!!!
If our own family and friends don’t get it, how can we educate the public except slowly, one person at a time, as the chance arises. Most people who are NOT former victims of Ps would not be interested in reading LF, and even many who HAVE BEEN victims, aren’t wanting to ‘get it either.” This all makes me shake my head sadly at the cost of ignorance of this subject.
Yes, EVERYONE needs to know about psychopaths, but sometimes people respond to education about psychopaths with either a “ho-hum, not interested, it couldn’t happen to me” or with the look on their face like you tried to tell them that “the aliens are coming in a space ship to take us all to heaven.”
Oxy and Witsend, just how many people would ever pick up a book about psychopaths or narcissists to read. Not many, I’d wager.
After all, me, a voracious reader, didn’t seek out any information about such disorders until I went on the internet to try to find out what was wrong with ME because my spouse who “said” he loved me, obviously didn’t.
What a surprise it was to learn it didn’t have anything to do with me!
But, my point is that educating the public is going to be very very very difficult. Someone mentioned it would be a good course to teach in high schools across the nation, but who would the teachers be? They’d have to be people who had already experienced the trauma and gotten out.
When I first “got out” my counselors told me to tell everyone who would listen about my experiences. I did and although it did help me heal (because I mostly told strangers) I doubt if I enlightened anyone!
I don’t tell anyone any more!
NewLily
My point was more that we see these “prime time” shows ALL the time on TV.
The show on the other night was all about a guy who was a con artist and date raped the women he came in contact with.
Although the show did prtray him to be the “bad guy” (naturally they didn’t label him an s/p/n) it ALSO PORTRAYED the women to look kind of “foolish” for the contact they had with him. The questions ALWAYS went back to the women. Why did you do this? Why did you do that?
I believe the “viewers” came away from the show “scratching their heads” WONDERING what was wrong with the women that got involved with him? INSTEAD of understanding it better.
In other words this show (OR any show like it, like the Oprah show I was talking about) never really gets the POINT across to the viewers what it is LIKE to be the victim. How cunning and baffling these people are to lure you in and keep you there.
It reminded me of that movie so long ago with Jodie Foster. When she was raped and how the system raped her AGAIN. This happens to victims ALL the time.
Books about S/P/N are not read by the general public necessarily. There is a total misunderstanding out there of this type of preditor. I am not even talking about the general public understanding of the preditors themselves.
I think what needs to happen in GENERAL is that the general public need to understand more of the VICTIM mantality…..All victims. Rape, domestic abuse, con artist, sexual molestors, S/P/N targeted victims, etc.
If more programing was done on this and enlightened people to understand what it is to be victimized and HOW it happens, think about it…..In every jury trial, if just a handful of the jurors were enlightened/empathetic/understanding of the victim mantality…..Small changes might begin to happen.
That was my point I was trying to make….
Its to easy for people (without that UNDERSTANDING) to judge the victims. And that just makes it WORSE for the victim….
Elizabeth Conley:
“Sadly, no. My encounters with cluster B personality disorders have been very, very limited. People like Steve have much more experience to draw from”. I DON”T THINK SO!!! lol!!
Elizabeth Conley:
“noticed that the sociopath tends to base his high self image on his proficiency in skills the rest of us don’t value. He’s usually very proud of his ability to manipulate people and steal from “normals”.
All of the outward appearances the narcissist exhibits, the psychopath will too. I.E. To exploit, to gain, to kill, to injure, to whatever.
The whole “self esteem thing” is a tool, a strategy, to get what they want.
It is neither here nor there in the murderous, devastating. destructive intent of the narcissist or the psychopath.
Bundy went to his grave saying that he had a wonderful loving upbringing by a kind and generous Christian family. In his death speech, he “BLAMED PORNOGRAPHY” for everything he did. Why do you think he did that?