By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
Tonight on the news I heard where a local Arkansas non-profit had been scammed for over $100,000 by an employee. It is not uncommon in today’s news to hear such things.
I recently came into contact with someone involved with a non-profit group that I will call “ABC.org” because I do not believe the management of this group was in any way involved with what I think is the dishonesty of one of its employees. Here’s how I became involved with this group’s Texas representative.
In the effort to get support for my protest of my son William Patrick Alexander’s parole release, I decided to contact every “murder victim’s support” group in Texas or nationally. I Googled and found several groups that I thought would be appropriate to approach for help.
I sent each of these groups a cover letter by e-mail and attached the official police report from Ft. Worth, Texas, describing the vicious nature of the execution-style murder committed by my son when he killed 17-year old Jessica Witt in January, 1992. I asked each group to please send protest letters and gave my telephone number and a post office box address for them to contact me if they could be of any other assistance. Okay, I admit that this was probably not wise, but I did give these groups my telephone number. It was probably about midnight on a Sunday night when I sent out these e-mails.
About 12:30 a.m., my telephone rang. It was a man named “John Doe” calling from ABC.org. He had received my e mail and wanted to discuss my situation and how he could be of help. Even though I was half asleep when I answered the phone and my “gut” told me that there had to be something wrong, I spoke to him.
Red Flag Number One: A telephone call at an inappropriate time of day (or night, as the case may be).
The next day he called me again a couple of times and e-mailed me. I sent him an e-mail requesting that he not call me at that hour of the night any more. I also gave him some information about where he could obtain therapy for his PTSD that he said he had because his mother had been murdered.
Red Flag Number Two: Poor baby had PTSD ”¦ the pity ploy.
But being the helpful, compassionate person I am, I ignored this red flag as well. I suggested that he might want to read several books that we regularly recommend here for people to learn about psychopaths, Without Conscience by Bob Hare, The Sociopath Next Door, etc.
Then Red Flag Number Three: I received the following e-mail with a different e-mail address than John.Doe@ABC.org:
Please send all future emails to this address John.doe@aol.com.
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me about such a sensitive subject.
take care,
John
toll free 1-800-XXX-XXX
P.S. I am a trained journalist. I was wondering if you would consider selling me the book and movie rights to your story at a reduced rate. (Red flag number four, but this time I was starting to listen to my gut.)
I asked him why the change in e-mail addresses and I received this answer.
Joyce,
I just want to keep all our business out of ABC.org business so please use the aol account only.
Thanks,
John
Yep, the red flags are starting to get my attention by now. So I started to ask him what his motives were. When I questioned him about why he wanted to keep information away from his boss at ABC.org, what his “private PR firm” could do for me, why he was trying to get “expense” money from me, either directly or indirectly, through the “book and movie rights” to my story, I got this response by e-mail:
Joyce,
I wanted to explain something. I – whether you believe it or not – am an honest man. And try to do things on the up and up. But not everyone is honest, as you have learned. And I have one fear. I don’t want my boss to say it is a conflict of interest for my company to represent you.
We have conflict of interest clauses in place so make sure we don’t do anything wrong. I am am afraid he will see something wrong with me representing you if you join ABC.org. I don’t know why I think this, but I have an inkling.
I honestly just want to help you and yes maybe make some of my money back and pay my expenses, but I am not and never have been motivated by money and greed. I was going to run this by my boss and see what he says. If he says I can’t represent you I was going to do it on the side and do everything through my legal name James John Doe. Everyone calls me John, but I was born with the name James – that is another story.
So you see, this has nothing to do with a scam but my fear that my boss will say that there is a conflict of interest regarding me representing you. I hope this makes sense to you, because I really want to help you even if I don’t make a dime. I want to do the right thing.
I wouldn’t get involved otherwise. We are talking many, many hours of work without pay and me bringing in other people and asking them to work without pay as well.
That is the truth. I will take a lie detector and pay for the expense if you like. But that is what I am worried about and why I don’t want any paper trial to my biz e-mail account. Because if my boss sees a conflict of interest I don’t want him to tell me “no I can’t represent you.” I am willing to take that chance. And work for you behind his back – I don’t want to do that but I will, because I think we can work together and I think I can help you.
That is all for now. And, God knows that is the truth. I will call you later today at a normal hour to discuss this further.
Thank you for your attention.
John
P.S. Feel free to phone me at XXX-XXXX. That is my home line. I have a 9 a.m. appointment that should last an hour and some afternoon and night meeting, but otherwise I am free.
Notice the various RED FLAGS in his communications ”¦ trying to convince me he is “honest” and this is “not a scam,” just to “make back his expenses.” In another e-mail, he says that the profits from my story can be used to set up a scholarship in Jessica Witt’s name. How altruistic of him.
Dropping names
In several telephone conversations with me, John mentioned a man who has a very high level position in the office of a politician in Texas. This man, I’ll call him Fred Smith, was suggested to me by Parents of Murdered Children as a “go to” person to get some publicity for my “cause.” Then my attorney also mentioned this man as a “go to” person. I had actually talked to him on the phone before John Doe mentioned Fred as his “close friend.” By now I realized that John is a scammer and that he is slinging around the name of this legitimate man, Fred Smith, and I was at a bit of a quandry about how to handle this.
I really didn’t “know” Fred Smith, except for just the one telephone call, but I wanted to let him know that his name was being bandied around by a scammer. I also figured that if John is trying to scam me, he is probably also trying to scam other survivors of murders. I hesitated to report him now, because I was afraid he would sabotage my efforts in Patrick’s parole protest somehow—maybe with Fred Smith and who knows who else. But I finally decided to go ahead. I wrote a letter to Fred Smith explaining the sequence of it all, and sent it to him, along with copies of the e-mails from John Doe.
I also contacted the national office of ABC.org and spoke to the new executive director about the problem. I sent him copies of the e-mails, and a copy of the letter I had sent to Fred Smith. I wanted the executive director to know that I was not going to hide this problem and I wasn’t going to allow him to either.
I got back an e mail saying that this was probably just a “misunderstanding.”
I spoke for over an hour the other day with Mr. Executive Director. After he had had time to completely review the e-mails, he agreed with me that this was dishonesty. He would “handle the situation” and let me know in a week how it was “handled.” I informed Mr. Executive Director that if John Doe did not lose his job, then I would be forced to go to the media, along with Fred Smith’s assistance. Fred Smith is not happy at all about his name being bandied about by someone who is trying to con money from victims via a non-profit. I don’t think ABC.org wants this kind of negative publicity.
The RED FLAGS of a con are apparent in looking at this case in retrospect:
- The man called me on the telephone at an inappropriate time of day for a business-type call.
- His assurances to me when I questioned him about the different e-mail address, the hiding things from his boss, etc.
- The Pity Ploy of “I have PTSD.”
- “I’m going to help you even if my boss says I can’t.”
Though this particular con job was an apparent attempt to find some way to gain financially from me, the basic types of red flags are the same in any kind of psychopathic con job. Whether it is business or love, the red flags are the same: The attempts to get you to trust them, even though there is evidence that they are doing something not quite on the up and up. The explaining away their dishonesty for the “greater good.” The attempts to get you to pity them or identify with them as victims, or to get you to help them. The promises to help you.
Donna’s book The Red Flags of Love Fraud outlines the various ways in which we can identify a potential lover’s psychopathic attempts at conning us. These red flags should not just be limited to romantic relationships, but applied to every relationship in all business or personal parts of our lives. Who would have thought a con man would be representing a legitimate victim’s advocate group?
I had a “gut feeling” from the first telephone call due, to the hour he called, and I should have listened to my gut then. At least, because I am familiar with the red flags, I did pick up on his con a lot sooner than I would have if I hadn’t been “tuned in.” Who knows? Without my understanding of the red flags of a con job, I might have been desperate enough to have given this man money to “help” me ”¦ after all, he was willing to take a lie detector test to prove to me how “honest” he was.
I am a bit further along in the healing process than many of the survivors of murder victims may be and I didn’t fall for the ruse that John Doe presented. Still, it sets my teeth on edge to think that maybe he has conned some unsuspecting and hurting survivor of a murder victim into “hiring” him to represent them with the police to try to solve their unsolved case, or some other “service” he purported to provide.
Regardless of what kind of relationship you had (personal, family, business, or romantic) with a psychopath, learn the RED FLAGS and apply them liberally to relationships of all kinds in your life. You may still get “zinged” from time to time, but the episodes will be shorter and less severe than if you didn’t pay attention to red flags and honor them when you see them.
Oh, and by the way, I got a call from Mr. Executive Director to tell me that John Doe no longer works at ABC.org.
Hi All, and Oxy and Sklar,
I said I would get to writing about blowing the whistle on a scammer in my life.
Very different story than Oxy’s and doesn’t directly involve money. The goal was getting a perfect score.
I went to buy a car, a couple of years ago. The salesman came out and met me in the lot, and then showed me two cars. I knew the one I wanted so he went in and got the keys.
Before he came back one of the other salesmen came out and said, ‘wow, he just told me you are his perfect woman’. I just stared at the guy and then started asking about the car features.
Next we went for a test ride. This guy did several things that I know were illegal: driving way over the speed limit, and slamming on the breaks to show the sporty package of the car. All during the drive he bad mouthed his ex-wife, told me how many cars and ‘toys’ he had, how I was the ‘perfect match’ for him, and that he NEVER met women that he thought were up to his standards. I just wanted out of that car. And really, mostly, kept my mouth shut. I guess hoping he would take the ‘social’ cue that I was not playing along.
He didn’t. It got worse.
I could not wait to get out of that car, and go somewhere else. I went in, and told the finance guy that I would come back some other time. He said he could move fast and get the process over with. Since I was there, I just continued on.
During the wait the salesman then did several other things. First he talked VERY poorly about his peers. One he called a ‘towel head’, whose english was bad (in fact it wasn’t and he was quite nice). Then he talked about a female salesperson who had ‘fucked’ her way to the top, and had won a silver medal in the olympics and thought she was ‘special’.
I didn’t say much. Just smiled and nodded. Said my ex was from the middle east, and how impressed I was with the woman’s olympic accomplishment.
Then….then came the next phase. He took me to a wall of thank-you cards and showed me how many were addressed to him. He told me he was the top salesman in the region, and that I would be sent a survey about my experience buying the car. He said I would be asked to rate him. He said “and I will know if you don’t score me at 100%…because I’ve gotten all 100’s”. He told me he wanted always to be at 100%, and didn’t I think he had done a perfectly amazing job selling me the car.
WTF?
Then he went in with the financial guy. Left me in the waiting area with a magazing. When he came out he said ‘you have a great credit rating….making the big bucks, huh?’. Letting me know he had looked at my personal information.
Well, I did get the survey. And I took my time filling it out, in detail, with everything that had happened and was said that day. I left nothing out.
First I got a call from the car dealership. They were astonished. They were apologetic. They confirmed he was the top salesman in the region. They were sorry he acted like such a ‘good ole boy’, and they reported they were embarrassed by his behavior, and knew it was truthful because of the details I shared about his co-workers.
Then I got a call from the head of Honda, in the United States. They asked me a series of questions, and asked me what I was most concerned about. I told them that he could look at all my financial information, about where I lived, etc….
They assured me that they would make sure he understood if anything out of the ordinary happened they would hold him accoutable.
To my knowledge he did not get fired. I didn’t care. Nothing came of it. I have loved my car. I would NEVER go to that dealership again.
What I did get out of it, besides a nice little car, was that I stuck up for myself, for my dignity, for my sense of justice and fairness.
And his perfect feedback record was blown.
Slimone, it sounds like Honda took it seriously so that at least is a good sign. He sounds very narcissistic and not really very bright either. Glad you like your car though. I am passive/aggressive enough I would have gone to a different Honda dealer and THEN told Honda why. LOL Or bought a FORD. LOL
Yea, I have sent “evaluations” on several employees at hospitals that were negative, or other businesses, but I also try to send GOOD evals when they are warranted.
This guy was a CON though and sure did not deserve to be working for a non profit murder survivor support group. I still wonder how many other people he conned for money before I got him fired. He was very persistent for sure!
Slim,
wow. talk about obtuse and not “getting it”!
I wonder if they sent him to salesman training classes after that. But then, I have to wonder also, how he could’ve become a top salesman if that kind of behavior had NOT worked for him in the past. So what was different about you?
I’ve come to realize that “Love Bombing” is really the first stage of envy. It’s the part where you first get their attention and they become obsessed. I think this guy was immediately captivated by you.
Could it be that he became so envious of you that he didn’t really even care if he sold you the car?
No, he was not very bright. It was just amazing to watch….but what is more amazing is how many people were charmed by him and gave him such high scores. Really? I don’t think I am the only woman he likely bullied. And they all gave him 100’s.
Geez Skylar, I couldn’t say. Maybe because I was a single/attractive woman, with a big bank account? Maybe he really ‘turned on the charm’ for me. Gross. His idea of charm was to lovebomb, coerce, brag, disparage, and threaten. In a relationship I would wager he is an abuser.
It was immediate lovebombing, then displays of envy for his co-workers, then trying to intimidate me into giving him what he wanted. Likely he would have displayed the devalue and discard phase, if he had reason to be in further touch with me.
Slim,
He was already love bombing you before they ran your credit score. I think it was your confidence that got his attention: You came into the dealership knowing what you wanted.
The spaths really envy confidence because it is an indication of trust. And trust is what they really lack. In its place is paranoia.
Exactly Skylar!
By the time I left I was sufficiently slimed…and a little less confident. It took me a few days to realize I had been drained of some of my vitality, and why.
slimone, Thanks for sharing you experience at the car dealership. The kind of guy you describe makes my skin crawl.
The first red-flag was his telling the other salesman, that you were his perfect woman! He had known you how long? He is clearly, very superficial, as all he really knew about you was that you were attractive. So, a love-bomb, and a superficial one at that. And the word,”perfect” is synonomious with, “ideal”, so there’s your first whiff of idealization. There is, in fact, no such thing as the perfect or ideal woman. There are simply whole women. Yes, I agree that the D&D was just around the corner, as soon as you known….as soon as you became whole and real, and not just a preatty face in his fantasy.
And the braggadocio. Yuck. And the competition with his co-workers, his racial slurs, his nastiness. Yuck.
I think some people respond positively to this because of their own narcissism.
Triangulating can feel like bonding to some people. Being love-bombed can feel flattering to some people. His bragging can look like confidence, and his trashing the x is a set-up to make you feel like you’re better than she is.
So, I think you did a great job of seeing through the jerk, and exposing him. TOWANDA.
Thanks Kim! I did feel, and still do, that I saw clearly and responded well.
I wish I could have said something in the moment, but it didn’t feel safe.
I have been informed that this profile is put up with different attractive men’s photos.. states that he’s a widower, grown children, ready to retire and all he needs is you..
They are scammers out to lure in lonely America women.. be very careful on the Internet..
http://blog.womenexplode.com/2013/01/24/how-many-things-are-wrong-with-this-or-is-it-sincere.aspx