By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
Tonight on the news I heard where a local Arkansas non-profit had been scammed for over $100,000 by an employee. It is not uncommon in today’s news to hear such things.
I recently came into contact with someone involved with a non-profit group that I will call “ABC.org” because I do not believe the management of this group was in any way involved with what I think is the dishonesty of one of its employees. Here’s how I became involved with this group’s Texas representative.
In the effort to get support for my protest of my son William Patrick Alexander’s parole release, I decided to contact every “murder victim’s support” group in Texas or nationally. I Googled and found several groups that I thought would be appropriate to approach for help.
I sent each of these groups a cover letter by e-mail and attached the official police report from Ft. Worth, Texas, describing the vicious nature of the execution-style murder committed by my son when he killed 17-year old Jessica Witt in January, 1992. I asked each group to please send protest letters and gave my telephone number and a post office box address for them to contact me if they could be of any other assistance. Okay, I admit that this was probably not wise, but I did give these groups my telephone number. It was probably about midnight on a Sunday night when I sent out these e-mails.
About 12:30 a.m., my telephone rang. It was a man named “John Doe” calling from ABC.org. He had received my e mail and wanted to discuss my situation and how he could be of help. Even though I was half asleep when I answered the phone and my “gut” told me that there had to be something wrong, I spoke to him.
Red Flag Number One: A telephone call at an inappropriate time of day (or night, as the case may be).
The next day he called me again a couple of times and e-mailed me. I sent him an e-mail requesting that he not call me at that hour of the night any more. I also gave him some information about where he could obtain therapy for his PTSD that he said he had because his mother had been murdered.
Red Flag Number Two: Poor baby had PTSD ”¦ the pity ploy.
But being the helpful, compassionate person I am, I ignored this red flag as well. I suggested that he might want to read several books that we regularly recommend here for people to learn about psychopaths, Without Conscience by Bob Hare, The Sociopath Next Door, etc.
Then Red Flag Number Three: I received the following e-mail with a different e-mail address than John.Doe@ABC.org:
Please send all future emails to this address John.doe@aol.com.
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me about such a sensitive subject.
take care,
John
toll free 1-800-XXX-XXX
P.S. I am a trained journalist. I was wondering if you would consider selling me the book and movie rights to your story at a reduced rate. (Red flag number four, but this time I was starting to listen to my gut.)
I asked him why the change in e-mail addresses and I received this answer.
Joyce,
I just want to keep all our business out of ABC.org business so please use the aol account only.
Thanks,
John
Yep, the red flags are starting to get my attention by now. So I started to ask him what his motives were. When I questioned him about why he wanted to keep information away from his boss at ABC.org, what his “private PR firm” could do for me, why he was trying to get “expense” money from me, either directly or indirectly, through the “book and movie rights” to my story, I got this response by e-mail:
Joyce,
I wanted to explain something. I – whether you believe it or not – am an honest man. And try to do things on the up and up. But not everyone is honest, as you have learned. And I have one fear. I don’t want my boss to say it is a conflict of interest for my company to represent you.
We have conflict of interest clauses in place so make sure we don’t do anything wrong. I am am afraid he will see something wrong with me representing you if you join ABC.org. I don’t know why I think this, but I have an inkling.
I honestly just want to help you and yes maybe make some of my money back and pay my expenses, but I am not and never have been motivated by money and greed. I was going to run this by my boss and see what he says. If he says I can’t represent you I was going to do it on the side and do everything through my legal name James John Doe. Everyone calls me John, but I was born with the name James – that is another story.
So you see, this has nothing to do with a scam but my fear that my boss will say that there is a conflict of interest regarding me representing you. I hope this makes sense to you, because I really want to help you even if I don’t make a dime. I want to do the right thing.
I wouldn’t get involved otherwise. We are talking many, many hours of work without pay and me bringing in other people and asking them to work without pay as well.
That is the truth. I will take a lie detector and pay for the expense if you like. But that is what I am worried about and why I don’t want any paper trial to my biz e-mail account. Because if my boss sees a conflict of interest I don’t want him to tell me “no I can’t represent you.” I am willing to take that chance. And work for you behind his back – I don’t want to do that but I will, because I think we can work together and I think I can help you.
That is all for now. And, God knows that is the truth. I will call you later today at a normal hour to discuss this further.
Thank you for your attention.
John
P.S. Feel free to phone me at XXX-XXXX. That is my home line. I have a 9 a.m. appointment that should last an hour and some afternoon and night meeting, but otherwise I am free.
Notice the various RED FLAGS in his communications ”¦ trying to convince me he is “honest” and this is “not a scam,” just to “make back his expenses.” In another e-mail, he says that the profits from my story can be used to set up a scholarship in Jessica Witt’s name. How altruistic of him.
Dropping names
In several telephone conversations with me, John mentioned a man who has a very high level position in the office of a politician in Texas. This man, I’ll call him Fred Smith, was suggested to me by Parents of Murdered Children as a “go to” person to get some publicity for my “cause.” Then my attorney also mentioned this man as a “go to” person. I had actually talked to him on the phone before John Doe mentioned Fred as his “close friend.” By now I realized that John is a scammer and that he is slinging around the name of this legitimate man, Fred Smith, and I was at a bit of a quandry about how to handle this.
I really didn’t “know” Fred Smith, except for just the one telephone call, but I wanted to let him know that his name was being bandied around by a scammer. I also figured that if John is trying to scam me, he is probably also trying to scam other survivors of murders. I hesitated to report him now, because I was afraid he would sabotage my efforts in Patrick’s parole protest somehow—maybe with Fred Smith and who knows who else. But I finally decided to go ahead. I wrote a letter to Fred Smith explaining the sequence of it all, and sent it to him, along with copies of the e-mails from John Doe.
I also contacted the national office of ABC.org and spoke to the new executive director about the problem. I sent him copies of the e-mails, and a copy of the letter I had sent to Fred Smith. I wanted the executive director to know that I was not going to hide this problem and I wasn’t going to allow him to either.
I got back an e mail saying that this was probably just a “misunderstanding.”
I spoke for over an hour the other day with Mr. Executive Director. After he had had time to completely review the e-mails, he agreed with me that this was dishonesty. He would “handle the situation” and let me know in a week how it was “handled.” I informed Mr. Executive Director that if John Doe did not lose his job, then I would be forced to go to the media, along with Fred Smith’s assistance. Fred Smith is not happy at all about his name being bandied about by someone who is trying to con money from victims via a non-profit. I don’t think ABC.org wants this kind of negative publicity.
The RED FLAGS of a con are apparent in looking at this case in retrospect:
- The man called me on the telephone at an inappropriate time of day for a business-type call.
- His assurances to me when I questioned him about the different e-mail address, the hiding things from his boss, etc.
- The Pity Ploy of “I have PTSD.”
- “I’m going to help you even if my boss says I can’t.”
Though this particular con job was an apparent attempt to find some way to gain financially from me, the basic types of red flags are the same in any kind of psychopathic con job. Whether it is business or love, the red flags are the same: The attempts to get you to trust them, even though there is evidence that they are doing something not quite on the up and up. The explaining away their dishonesty for the “greater good.” The attempts to get you to pity them or identify with them as victims, or to get you to help them. The promises to help you.
Donna’s book The Red Flags of Love Fraud outlines the various ways in which we can identify a potential lover’s psychopathic attempts at conning us. These red flags should not just be limited to romantic relationships, but applied to every relationship in all business or personal parts of our lives. Who would have thought a con man would be representing a legitimate victim’s advocate group?
I had a “gut feeling” from the first telephone call due, to the hour he called, and I should have listened to my gut then. At least, because I am familiar with the red flags, I did pick up on his con a lot sooner than I would have if I hadn’t been “tuned in.” Who knows? Without my understanding of the red flags of a con job, I might have been desperate enough to have given this man money to “help” me ”¦ after all, he was willing to take a lie detector test to prove to me how “honest” he was.
I am a bit further along in the healing process than many of the survivors of murder victims may be and I didn’t fall for the ruse that John Doe presented. Still, it sets my teeth on edge to think that maybe he has conned some unsuspecting and hurting survivor of a murder victim into “hiring” him to represent them with the police to try to solve their unsolved case, or some other “service” he purported to provide.
Regardless of what kind of relationship you had (personal, family, business, or romantic) with a psychopath, learn the RED FLAGS and apply them liberally to relationships of all kinds in your life. You may still get “zinged” from time to time, but the episodes will be shorter and less severe than if you didn’t pay attention to red flags and honor them when you see them.
Oh, and by the way, I got a call from Mr. Executive Director to tell me that John Doe no longer works at ABC.org.
Hi Strongawomen.
Didn’t think anyone would remember me except perhaps Skylar. I think my problem is information overload. I just can’t stop reading or watching anything to do with them. Then I trigger myself.
But I have started working on me again which is good.
50 is not so bad. I am 51 now. I think when you have sorted once and for all what you want either an man in your life or go solo then you can go for what you want. I never want to marry again. 22 years was enough. I want to fly solo.
I have a whole list of reasons for why I want this and it is totally selfish. I have always been a bit of a loner anyway so it was easy.
Thanks for replying. I get a bit shy when entering anything I have not been part of for a while and your welcome went straight to my heart.
Strongawoman-you named yourself well. Your posts are always strong yet sensitive.
With love
STJ
xxx
Also–I think what hindered my healing was the stalking that went on for four years. He now has a new girlfriend (God help her) which is another story and I think I have peace.
It has only been a year since he stopped but I still have the startle reflex when I hear him mentioned by one of my kids.
I am sure it will fade someday.
With love
STJ
xxx
How sweet STJ! Thank you. I remember you very well. You are in the UK?
Glad you’re getting there and keep posting. We need people like you to show the newcomers there is light at the end of the tunnel; that we can survive on our own. Like you, I have no intention of marrying again. I don’t even date. I like my own company ….Fly solo! I like that
Hugs
When I was considering my options for the future whether to have a man in my life or not, it was sort of a weird experience for me.
The last time that I looked around was when I was in my teens. I met spath when I was 21 and being the loyal and faithful type I never looked at another man.
At that time I used to go around with my tongue hanging out at all the good looking boys. LOL
For curiosity, I started to look at the options available within my own age range the now. I was shocked. Where on earth had all the good looking boys gone?
Looking at the women in the same age range, they seem to have come out better than the men.
Anyway. It was just an observation I thought I would share.
with love
STJ
xxx
STJ!!
so good to see you ((hugs))
I’ve been thinking about you lately. You sound great.
Hi Sky
Great to hear you too xxx
I am doing OK and you sound good too. Your postings always make me think and reach that treasured AHA moment.
As said, I bowed out for a while and tried a different approach from all the reading e.g. watching films and videos.
But I always come back to that same old thing, ‘it’s so hard to wrap your mind around’. Which I can’t do.
The heart knows cos it aches, but my mind can’t fathom it.
Then I get stuck. LOL
The PTSD doesn’t help as it gives me memory problems and also problems retaining data. Also still have anxiety and panic problems which piss me off.
((( Loads of hugs))) to you too Sky
Strongawoman–sorry I forgot to add. I am in Scotland and I believe you are in Yorkshire. Amazing you remembering that. (((Hugs)))
With love
STJ
xxx
STJ,
I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the craziness. This morning, for some reason, I had another AHA! moment, just as I was waking up. I remembered one of my spath’s minions, who always pretended to really like me. At the end, when I told her what the spath was REALLY like and that he liked to sabotage people’s planes, she said, “Well, we probably won’t be having him come over to our house anymore.”
“Probably?” Probably won’t invite a serial killer over anymore? A part of my mind had blocked what I already knew: She knew he had planned to kill me and she was fine with it, looking forward to it, in fact. She hated me.
I had always sensed that she was envious. I’m sure the spath played on that emotion to bring it to its full bloom.
When the spath had said, “It’s amazing how easy it is to find guys who are willing to rape a girl if they think she’s drugged” it was a tell: He wasn’t just talking about guys who look forward to raping, he was talking about men and women who look forward to watching the pain, destruction and death of an innocent and unaware victim.
They really are everywhere, and it was so easy for him to find them. That’s what he was saying.
I think you are right Skylar that they are everywhere and that they recognise each other. I have seen it written and witnessed it with my ex.
At those times when he was recognised (this was before the mask dropped) I could tell that the other party was a psychopath. It was obvious that they were hard men.
But I never recognised it in mine as he is the quiet type who plays the long con. Very dangerous and he would be the type of serial killer that people would say was always so nice.
His sister hated me for some reason and I could recognise that something was wrong with her and I sensed her envy, although what to envy, I don’t know. It wasn’t until the dust settled that I could see the problem in his family is that it was rife with narcissism. She definately liked to see bad things happen to me.
With love
Dear STJ,
WELCOME BACK!!!! Good to see you again! Yea, I did enjoy taking down that scum bag, it was a minor win, but I sure needed a “win” about then. LOL
Glad your X is finally leaving you alone. I know it is sort of “bad” to wish them off on another victim, but sometimes that is the only way they will leave US alone.
Glad you are back too, your wisdom is always welcome here and maybe we can support your healing as well, there are some awesome new bloggers here since you were last here. (((hugs)))
Hi Oxy
Thanks and don’t underestimate that ‘win’. It was huge to me.
Yeah–at last he is leaving me alone and it is a shame for the girlfriend. Seemingly he has been going out for her for a year and a half and she has not met our kids yet. (red flag for her).
She hasn’t met them cos he has abandoned them so God knows what story he has told her.
I don’t know it you remember, but like others I found my story getting treated with disbelief. Now that he has this other victim I feel that I can sit back now and just wait on that knock on the door from her. Then there will be two of us. I am not being hard on her, just realistic. I wouldn’t believe a bad word against him either at one time.
He was not a happy bunny that I got away, but I now feel I can drop the habit of looking over my shoulder. I still get triggered when I see the make and colour of his car as this is how he stalked me.
I have been coming an going to LF since 2007 and they are all fantastic. Nice nice people, all with the same common story of tangling with the insane.
(((hugs to you too OX)))
And you are in my prayers as is all of LF