What is the single most powerful signifier of sociopathy?
How about, lack of empathy?
I don’t think so.
As an isolated factor, I don’t think lack of empathy best nails the sociopath.
Many millions of people, after all, lack empathy and aren’t sociopaths. Also, exactly what constitutes empathy is a subject of some disagreement. Some LoveFraud members, in fact, question whether sociopaths even lack empathy (some asserting, to the contrary, that the sociopaths they’ve known have used their capacity for empathy to exploit them).
But the biggest problem with lack of empathy is its weakeness in explaining the single, truly best signifier of sociopathy—the characterological exploitiveness of the sociopath.
It is a high level of exploitiveness that most singularly exposes the sociopath.
Now exploitiveness is also associated with the narcissistic personality. For this reason extremely destructive (“malignant”) narcissists can be hard to distinguish from sociopaths. Still, a high level of exploitiveness is rarely the single best signifier of narcissistic personality disorder, whereas it is, I suggest, the best single indicator of sociopathy.
Why does lack of empathy fail to explain the sociopath’s exploitiveness? It fails because most people who lack empathy are not exploitive. Just consider the autistic spectrum disorders: Lack of empathy is commonly associated with these disorders, but exploitive behavior is not.
Now it is true that empathic individuals will generally be nonexploitive. Why? Because their empathy will prove a deterrent against exploitative impulses or ideas. Empathy, in other words, surely is a powerful deterrent against exploitation.
But in someone nonexploitative (someone, say, with Asperger’s Syndrome), empathy will not be needed for its deterrent effect. However, in someone inclined to exploitation, lack of empathy will be a missing deterrent in a situation where deterrence is urgent.
Effectively, the sociopath’s exploitive nature is undeterred by empathy, which is missing, thus liberating him to exploit. And it is the sociopath’s tendency, or compulsion, to exploit, I propose, that best characterizes his sociopathy.
I’d be remiss not to clarify my working definition of empathy. Empathy, as I use it, is an experience, or appreciation, of another’s experience that, depending on the situation, elicits a thoughtful, respectful, perhaps nurturing, but never exploitive, response.
While some sociopaths may possess an evolved capacity to read others’ vulnerabilities, this doesn’t make them empathic.
It is the particular response to someone’s vulnerability that indicates the presence of empathy, or exploitation. It is the particular response, or pattern of responses, to someone’s vulnerability that separates the empathic individual from the predator.
In this respect, I regard the sociopath as seriously, and given his exploitive personality, dangerously deficient in empathy.
What about his remorselessness? Certainly the sociopath’s remorselessness is quite notable and diagnostically significant. However, I would argue that the sociopath’s remorselessness is a byproduct not of his lack of empathy, but of his exploitive personality.
Many people who lack empathy are remorseful, for instance when informed that an action they took, or something they said, left someone else feeling damaged. They may struggle to relate emotionally (or even intellectually) to the effect their behavior had on the wounded party (their deficient empathy); but they are upset to learn that their action caused damage.
In other words, they feel remorseful even though their empathy is deficient.
However, exploitation and remorselessness go hand in hand. The essence of exploitation is the intentional violation of another’s vulnerability. The exploiter knows, on some level, that his behavior is exploitive.
By definition, the exploiter is grossly indifferent to the damaging effect of his behavior on his victim. All that matters is his perceived gain, his demanded, greedy satisfaction. There is indifference to the loss and damage to others resulting from his self-centered, aggressive behaviors.
This sounds a lot like callousness; and we recognize callousness as another of the sociopath’s telling qualities. But I would suggest, again, that the sociopath’s callousness derives not from his defective empathy, but rather from his characterological exploitiveness. Most people with deficits in empathy are not callous. On the other hand, the exploitive mentality will engender a callous perspective.
I discussed in a prior post the audacity of the sociopath. I suggested a correspondence between audacity and sociopathy. But here, too, we want to get the causality correct: audacity doesn’t make for sociopathy; but the exploitive mentality will make for staggering audacity.
(My use of “he” in this post is for convenience’s sake, not to suggest that men have a patent on sociopathy. This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Dear Kerisee,
I totally agree with Elizabeth on this. First off, what she says about you, or about your husband is NOT TRUE, and you know it is not true. It is her SMEAR campaign, it is her DELUSION that your husband (yes YOUR HUSBAND) “can’t get over her” (delusion of hers to make her feel good about herself) It is so obviously untrue, otherwise why would he be with YOU? So I doubt that many people she says this to actually believe her.
I am sure her parents are aware of her behavior in the past and probably like any parents would WANT to think she is trying to “reform” but at the same time are not really suprised when she doesn’t. They may even be in DENIAL too because to accept the truth is so painful for them. They may also be somewhat (more or less) dysfunctional and/or personality disordered.
I know it is difficult for you, it MUST BE! However, my recommendation is to let your husband deal with this (it is HIS ex wife, and his children –though I know that you are doing your best for them and care about them too–and since obviously this witch wants to think your husband still cares for her etc, let her think what she wants to, let her have her delusions and scream them from the hill tops, the less you engage with her the better for you.
As for her parents, I would suggest that you move to another congregation quietly just to be away from them, then let your husband deal with them if he must.
As long as you stay in this triangle I think it will continue to drive you up a wall. You aren’t going to change this wicked, evil, hateful woman, or her parents either and if you don’t have to engage with them, the frequency of the drama should slow down some. I would try my best to not even be present when the kids are picked up or dropped off etc. Don’t even let her see you.
If the kids make comments like “my mom says you are a bitch” then I would say to them, “Your mother doesn’t like me, I know, but calling others names is not appropriate.” and just go on with what you were doing, CALMLY so the kids don’t see a reaction. Good luck to you and I will keep you in my prayers! (((hugs)))))
Thanx Ox Drover. You said that well.
This thread started with Steve Becker’s post on exploitiveness being the most powerful signifier of sociopathy. When this guy showed up, the first thing I thought of was “what does he want?”
I’m in agreement with ignoring them, with one caveat. If any of us get drawn into a dialogue with them, I know that I’m likely to drop in a few questions of my own, just to try to clarify what’s going on.
KH & all: “What they want” is not what the rest of us want. Different motivations, like chaos, confusion, pointless “pot-stirring.” It’s so easy for us to get caught up in trying tp figure out “what they want.” But, why bother? All we’re doing is wasting time trying to understand their dysfunctional and nonsensical motivations.
Oxy, I loved Grand Torino.
Clint Eastwood never disappoints me. And this role as a foul-mouthed, racist, scowling old curmudgeon who refuses to move after his neighborhood has turned totally Asian was just made for him at this age. (In fact, my son told me that he and his friends predicted a movie when he appeared as an old man standing on his porch with a rifle in hands, telling kids to get off his lawn. This is the one.)
I don’t know how he finds these incredible scripts that are redemptive without being sentimental, but this is another one. He was so obnoxious that there were points when a few people in the audience hesitantly laughed, and then it grabbed more and more people until we were all laughing out loud. Most of the audience stayed for all the credits just to hear the song at the end, which he partially sang and co-wrote.
I’d see it again. I think you’ll like it a lot.
Kathy,, to me it is obvious he wants ATTENTION. Don’t they ALL? LOL If we ignore this one (which I thinkk we should) one will just pop up again and pretend to be a victim, but so what?
The fact this jerk would come here, announcing he was a S/P and yet saying how “nice” a person he was, is ludicrous! LOL ROTFLMAO HOW NEEDY IS SUCH A PERSON to do such a thing? I vote him as needy loser of the year! At first I was irritated at his gall, but now I see it in a different light! I see him as someone who is so desperate for attention that he will sink to ANY level to get it, even trying to taunt former victims who are no longer victims (or “sheeple” as they call us) I think he might have thought he could troll here for NS and get us cursing him, etc. Well, the next one that announces he is an S/P if we just NC him/her they will get bored and leave before longl. LOL
I don’t care what they want. But I do care that they expose their ugly thought processes. All of them are seductive, and that’s what worries me.
This guy arrived with a post that included his e-mail address, and an invitation to write him to learn more about how he thinks. And then he proceeded to downplay how dangerous he is.
I don’t believe their motivations are nonsensical at all. They may not make sense to us, because don’t get a lot of pleasure out of winning at other people’s expense. But this character was here for a reason.
Maybe it was just attention. Maybe it was just a twisted thrill to go hang out with the recovering folk. Or maybe he was trolling, which I think is more likely.
What better place to go than a site for proven suckers?
I know from experience that I have a propensity for being sucked in by these people. I assume that’s true for others of us.
And the truth of the matter is that I was worried about Wini. Probably unnecessarily so. But I was. So I dropped a few questions about his motivations for being here.
Part of my everyday work is to help structure conversations. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
Structure? Like a pretzel. Yes, I understand your intention.
My concern is that each of them baits the hook a different way — a worm, a dry fly, a drink, or even AA, a shoulder to cry on, their tears on our shoulders . . . and they try until they find the bait that works. So their “structure” shifts and changes. Now you see it; now you don’t.
Oxy, my last post was in response to Rune. Yours hadn’t appeared when I started to write it.
I just don’t think that we can get everyone to agree to that rule. I understand perfectly why someone would take the opportunity to ask, in a safe environment, about why he behaves that way. And get into discussions about background and behavior patterns.
I understand it, because I spent a very long time trying to figure this out myself. Not only in the five years I had to study my ex at close range, but in the reading (which I’m still doing) about all the factors that go into character and personality disorders. It’s a reasonable thing to want to know, and a logical thing to ask the cripple what happened to him.
But once that starts, as you and others have pointed out here, that also starts the seductive behavior. I’m really a nice guy. I’m just here to help you. I understand how you feel. Not to mention that I’ll be very glad to tell you more, and here’s my e-mail address.
What are this guy’s odds of hooking one of us? That’s a horrible thing to think about, getting sucked in from this site. But imagine what a fabulous win for him.
I may be wrong in thinking that we may have to be supportive of each other in these situations. But I don’t think so. My goal wasn’t to interfere with anyone’s questioning of this guy. Just to get the most useful information out as quickly as possible.
That useful information was about the risk they present, not why they do what they do. At this point, my interest in profiling them has less to do with caring why, than caring about what. So that I can finish with them quickly.
If we’ve got a recovering person who isn’t finishing with them quickly, maybe this information would serve as a reminder of what’s really going on.
I’m embarrassed writing this, because I feel like I’m setting myself up as mother, to someone who didn’t ask for it. Meddling. So I may be entirely out of line. And if I am, just let me know.
Yesterday I met with someone who has something I want. A powerful man who can choose to act or drag his feet, and if he chooses to drag his feet, I may have the time I need to complete a project for everyone’s benefit. Why do you care?
Well, I went to see him in person. I felt that my personal presence might help influence the conversation, more than just talking on the phone. I dressed well. I shook his hand firmly. I met his gaze. I probed to find areas we had in common. I tested to see if he was a compassionate man, and to see if I could “exploit” his compassion.
What makes me different from a S/P? I can give lots of answers to that question, but I’ve been musing on that situation, and how I was using S/P “tools” to get what I wanted. Thoughs?