We’ve discussed many of the sociopath’s traits, such as his missing empathy and compassion; his tendency to remorseless interpersonal exploitation; and proclivity to audacious acts of lying, deception and sundry other violating behaviors.
Now, I’m tempted to add to the mix what I call the sociopath’s tendency to “irrational optimism.”
By “irrational optimism,” I mean the sociopath’s irrationally optimistic belief, if not conviction, that he’ll either evade or, somehow, otherwise prevail over, the real, probable consequences of his actions.
Consider this brief, hypothetical interaction between a sociopath and his partner, who learns with certainty that he, the sociopath, has been cheating on her with three different women simultaneously:
Partner: How could you do that?
Sociopath: Do what?
Partner: Sleep with three different women behind my back. Are you f*cking demented?
Sociopath: First of all, that’s abusive. So stop right there and don’t abuse me. Second, I didn’t sleep with f*cking anybody. Not that I haven’t been tempted, given how lame our sex life is.
Partner: Why are you lying? I know who these women are, and I can prove you’ve been sleeping with them. Do you think I’m that f*cking stupid?
Sociopath: Let me ask you something. Why the hell would I sleep with three women and risk getting some f*cking STD? Think about it. You know me”¦or maybe you don’t? Does that make any sense?
The sociopath here is (or was) irrationally optimistic on two levels—first, that he’d be able to perpetrate this caper, undetected, indefinitely; and second that, once busted (as, now, he is) he’ll be able to squirm his way out of accountability.
We could address many aspects of this interaction, but I’d like to emphasize his last argument: “Let me ask you something. Why the hell would I sleep with three women and risk getting some f*cking STD? Think about it. You know me”¦or do you? Does that make any sense?”
This argument captures, I think, the sociopath’s “irrational optimism” beautifully. In offering the glibly insulting invitation to “think about it,” he makes a spectacle of his audacity and contempt: he really expects, and believes his partner should, accept his invitation [to think about it].
But even more than expecting her to “think about it,” which is outrageous enough, he expects her, in his irrational optimism, actually to be persuaded by his argument. In his irrational optimism, he is hopeful, if not confident, that she’ll choose to disbelieve the evidence she holds indisputably in her hands in favor of accepting his insulting logic.
How classically sociopathic is this?
More importantly, what contributes to the sociopath’s irrational optimism?
We might begin with his malignant sense of entitlement—that is, the sociopath’s belief that he is entitled to obtain the gratifications he wants. One of the most dangerous aspects of the attitude of entitlement is how it renders impotent—denudes of power—rule, limits and laws.
When you feel entitled to something, if it’s not accomodatingly forthcoming, you feel entitled to take it. You’ve laid, in your entitlement, a kind of psychic possession of what it is you want, so that now it becomes, in your mind, yours—specifically, your right to have.
And so if someone (or something) obstructs your seizing what now, in your mind, is your right to possess, then you are free to take it—to take, in fact, whatever is yours—by any means necessary.
Conferring this entitled status upon oneself encourages the irrationally optimistic view that, one way or another, accomodation looms”¦it must!
Closely related to this is the sociopath’s grandiosity: he believes he can and should succeed at his high-wire machinations because he’s that good, that clever and—it can’t be stressed enough—that entitled.
His grandiosity may take the form of thoughts like, “Sure, normal guys couldn’t pull this shit off, but I’m not your normal guy.”
And so, when you feel like you can do things that others can’t—especially things unsupported by “reality—”this is grandiosity. And grandiosity feeds, I believe, very directly, the sociopath’s tendency to irrational optimism.
Then there is the sociopath’s contempt, so inseparable from his grandiosity. As we discussed, the sociopath, in the example above, expects his insulting argument to succeed, either because he’s convinced he’s smart, clever and persuasive enough to be found so convincing, or else he’s convinced that his partner is dumb, naïve and/or desperate enough to believe him. (Or both!)
As a consequence, the sociopath’s contempt leaves him at constant risk of underestimating others, and overestimating himself. In his irrational optimism, fed by his contempt, he fails to appreciate how close he is always is—perhaps just one more reckless risk away—from being busted.
What else feeds the sociopath’s irrational optimism? How about his stupidity?
This may sound provocative, but let me explain. I suggest that blind faith supports a perspective of irrational optimism, and the sociopath operates with a kind of blind faith. That is, he operates in the blind faith that, somehow or other, he’ll escape accountability for his latest transgression.
Where does his blind faith come from? Two good sources, I’d suggest, are his grandiosity and arrogance—they blind him, I contend, to certain realities, effectively making him stupid on some level.
And his stupidity reinforces his irrational optimism.
Quite obviously, I’m not talking I.Q. stupidity, but rather judgement-level stupidity. The sociopath’s personality pathology mars his capacity to make wise, intelligent judgements in many circumstances.
(My use of “he” in this article is a convenience, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed. This article is copyrighted © 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW).
JaneSmith,
your post was very insightful, you get it. And I appreciate that you had the backbone to post it despite the “cliquiness” that goes on around here. Yes, “cliquiness” has been mentioned before, by JillSmith and even by Tilly. It’s that subtle kind of peer pressue that everyone must agree with the group “leaders”, (you know who you are) whether right or wrong for fear of not having social standing. There’s alot of that pecking order stuff going on around here.
Persephone, at first you agreed that I had done nothing to deserve being ostracized, but as soon as someone disagreed, you flip flopped on the pink elephant. I won’t elaborate on how disappointed you made me because it won’t sound “nice”.
Forget the elephant Persephone, instead, look at the sycophant.
Then there’s Rosa, nice one Rosa. my XP pulled stuff just like that. In case someone missed the post by Rosa, it’s on this page just a few posts higher. Trying to make Star feel like I had “abused” her by planting that seed is exactly the kind of stuff my XP used to pull. Then of course, the whole community would rally for Star and against me and you would get …what? what would you gain? Nothing but pleasure right Rosa?
There’s a reason why the sociopaths call us sheep. All this empathy makes people want to huddle in a group and follow the leader. No one wants to stand out for fear of losing some of that precious empathy. Backbone is sorely lacking for fear of not being loved. The stuff Rosa pulled is their FAVORITE ploy.
Why can’t people have empathy AND their own opinions? Why must the sheep all jump off the cliff together? For christ’s sake, this is online, it’s not like your lives are hanging on this need for acceptance in an online community, you don’t need to cow tow or brown nose ALL THE TIME. Show some spine and think for yourselves. Maybe the sociopath is evolutions way of saving the human species from its own herd mentality. It’s a dangerous thing for the human race to become homogenous in either their genes or their memes.
I haven’t been afraid to expose my vulnerabilties here before and I don’t regret it. Kathleen and Star and Kim and many others have been there for me and offered precious advice. I appreciate everything they have shared. But I know my situation better than anyone.
Matt, you told me to go see a lawyer and I did, but none helped me. Did you notice how I and I ALONE, got my xP to drop all his demands for $70,000? I can read him. Right now he is AFRAID OF ME. He is trying to go NC on me, but now I’m not letting him. The shoe is on the other foot.
I already told you that I have no feelings for him. I’m not “going back to him”. I’m just keeping tabs on him. I repeatedly made this clear to all of you, but you all just keep freaking out with your phony EMOTIONS. Well, I CHOOSE, when I have emotions and I CHOSE TO HAVE NONE FOR HIM. He does not control my emotions.
I also CHOSE to have EMOTIONS for many people on LF. It was a mistake. I have been hurt. It made me feel sick. That is something the P cannot do to me, but you guys could and you did.
So now I CHOOSE, to stop feeling for you. The first step is NC. After some time the feelings will go away and they won’t come back.
It’s too late for me to come back, I have ZERO tolerance for pain now. But I hope I’ve inspired some of you to stop putting up with the peer pressure and sheep mentality. Take the good advice and then form your own opinions. No one here is going to save you – your path is your own.
If you can see your path laid out
in front of you step by step,
you know it’s not your path.
Your own path you make with every step you take.
That’s why it’s your path. – joseph campbell
Jane Smith says:
“I reread Skyler’s comment to Stargazer and what I discerned from her was a ruefullness in tone.”
Me too. I agree with you Jane Smith.
And, it’s very interesting that you used the phrase, “ruefullness in tone”.
The term “rueful” means to inspire PITY or compassion; causing people to feel PITY.
I think we all have met someone who used pity to manipulate us at some point in our lives, right?
Jane Smith also said, “she was expressing a mild pique at constantly being told to go No Contact.”
She did this at Stargazer’s expense. She should have done it at her own expense.
Stargazer has not posted since Friday evening, November 6, 2009. At least, I have not seen her.
Stargazer, I miss you, & I hope you come back.
Skylar:
I was glad to see your name and post again. But I’m sorry you feel the way you do or
that this group was somehow saying you should be ostracized or not welcome here at all.
I didn’t think that was what was being expressed or anything to be ‘agreed’ upon or
to be taken sides about. I did feel when I came back and read JaneSmith’s post that
I agreed with her sense that as an online support group, it could still be an open door
policy to anyone, at whatever stage or approach they chose to find their healing. But
I think it was your choice, not anyone’s decree – that you stay away until you committed
to NC.
I feel no matter what I say now, you see it as being said in a sycophant fashion. I didn’t
think I flipflopped or withdrew support for your decision to not go NC – when I said “you’re
right’ to Witsend’s post it was more about my own realization FOR MYSELF that trying to
still even think about contact down the road, or still being conflicted about NC was not
going to do ME any good – that my own ‘elephant’ was that I’d gone years without trying
strict NC and it had done me no good, more pain and disappointment had resulted. I
spent many nights at Al-Anon years ago to understand alcoholism in my second husband,
and determined after awhile that I’d learned enough and would move on in my life
alone with the knowledge and not be forever part of that group – though I’m forever
grateful for having it available to me. And through being with an alcoholic, during his
times of drinking and then periods of recovery and abstinence, I could see that NO
drinking for him was the only way to get well. And it does seem, no matter how smart
I may feel, how knowledgeable, how well I’ve come to know this person who ‘only’
emotionally abuses me, I think I get it that it is just bigger than me – that I have to
be part of a ‘group mentality’ or go along with the ‘experts’ and just go NC.
For me, and I’m not kissing up to you…I always admired the way you have always
been honest about your continued non-NC, you put it all out there and you’ve always
been so insightful, smart and funny. I ‘ve identified with you because, bottom line – I
never have been part of a real group, especially of women and decided to give this
online group a try – I’d gotten to the point I felt like I needed to try something different,
that I needed to reach out to other women (and men) like myself in this one important
relationship addiction aspect. Yet I still struggle with just lumping my own situation and
love for this person who has been so important to me into a group label or classification.
Perhaps it is just another diversion, with everything going on in my life with my sister,
my finances and trying to get healthy and resolve this soul-draining relationship once
and for all – I’ve needed to plug in somewhere,get some support, read, write, be inspired and feel useful in sharing my own thoughts and experience.
I have probably spent too much time here lately and have probably wanted on some level to be part of ‘the gang’ a bit, instead of just spending the time I need to be working on my art, alone. So I’ll do that now – I’m not sorry for posting here – I’m not sorry for trying to
give others some good juice or pats on the back, it was not for my own ‘advancement’
here.
And Skylar, I think Rosa simply misunderstood your post to Star, she did not have that
complicated agenda you spoke of at all.
I wish everyone well, hope Star is ok and I respect you Skylar, I’m sorry you felt
this disappointment in me or anyone else.
I stand by everything I posted.
I don’t feel that I misunderstood anything.
I also understand that others may not share my point of view.
That’s fine.
We have different opinions on this website all of the time.
It does not bother me at all.
Hi Skylar –
I just read that you may not be posting on here any longer
because of the way you were addressed. If you read this I
hope you know that I agree with you about noticing a pecking order on the posts and that I’m sorry you choose to leave
because of this.
If this forum is truly one that is for the expression of equals
in the realm of experiencing sociopathic harm (at whatever
place on the scale) then each person’s expression of their
thoughts and choices should be dignified with respect.
I’ve noticed some overt and very subtle flaming on here that I find interesting in that the very premise of the site is to assist in recovery. I could go into more specific detail, but I’ll take it as Pema Chodron suggests, and just watch it float past like water on stream.
If there are some dominant personalities on here that are unable to just accept another’s point of view without correcting
or attacking one’s choices or opinions overtly or subtly, so be it!
I hate to think that would dissuade you from sharing your experiences and your wonderful wry wit. You’ll be missed,
but you must remember, every survivor on here isn’t a sheep,
nor are they willing to be offended by overt or subtle language used to discourage “freedom of speech” or expression of one’s conscious choices.
I hope you come back. I love your wit and humour.
Take care.
Rosa, I’m glad it doesn’t bother you at all, I also disagree with everything you posted, I don’t know why you started all this, skylar was not being abusive to Star and did not express herself at Star’s expense, have you not read in the past few weeks how much skylar likes and admires Star???
So you go ahead and stand by everything you posted, who are you? Don’t point your finger at people unless you want it pointed back at you… we’ve all read you posts.
In regards to the above post. I find it very interesting the contradictions and judgements that are PROJECTED onto the LF community.
I don’t buy it and I believe they are personal attacks to hide pain.
We all make our own decisions, this is a public group, all welcome…but we don’t always agree…..
The hairs raised on my neck a few months back when the poster stated she was going to create a ‘crisis’ and dramatic words followed, she can’t be stopped etc…. (this is not verbatum, I can’t locate the post). This showed insight into a volitile personality. I had someone in my life that liked to live that way, in order to justify making decisions.
Quite frankly, if we want to heal great…..move on down the path…..if we want to hold onto the past and keep on living the game…..great……
But….your in a support system here, a forum of opinions, and don’t be shocked when you hear an opposing opinion…..if you don’t like it disregard it…
But lashing and judging……Sheep, empathy comments…cliquiness, ….the attempt at creating a ‘crisis’ here is pathetic. I see it as an attempt at controlling a forum and splitting people off……it’s been attempted here before.
The poster admittedly plays games with an S…..so why are we shocked that games of control and manipulations may be played on the forum?
As stated, this is an oline forum…..I have never EVER viewed it as a popularity contest…..I respect all as equals….why would we have anything else here?
Popularity contests are nothing I would have ever imagined here…..I do not see a point? We are all equals…..and I am sure, if we all met, the real world ‘highschool’ type of cliques would develope after…..it’s natural….
But when we are all anonymous and on the same playing field by not knowing who’s the prettyest, the smartest, the richests, drives the nice cars, biggest house, best jobs, best views, best offices, yada yada…or any other topical stupidity that immature judgements make….If anyone has any more ‘footing’ here other than Donna…..I SURE HAVE MISSED IT!!!! I believe any personal feelings of ‘not being welcomed’ is something that one should explore from within.
So…..once again….a lesson in NC….if your gonna do it….do it! But don’t come back and start crap on a site that has offered you such support and has respected your contributions.
Just a quick comment.
We talk out of where we are. A lot of times, where we are is in an emotional state, and it is the emotions talking.
Getting over a trauma, the whole path of trauma processing, takes us through a lot of different emotional “worlds.” And a great deal of the work done here on Love Fraud is in angry phase. That is prickly, defensive, judgemental and it can extend to mild paranoia and conspiracy theorizing.
Other than the occasional lurker, there are no “bad guys” here. The nature of our work makes it inevitable that we’re going to get our feelings hurt occasionally. We’re all very personal with each other. We feel like it’s okay to make comments in ways that would never be accepted in many other mutual support forums. (And even in AA, cross talk about each other’s issues is not acceptable. Our sponsors may give us hell, but in group sessions, we’re supposed to talk about ourselves, not give advice to other people.)
In additon, we don’t necessarily define support in the same way. Our ways of giving comfort and caring are shaped largely by what we want from other people. That may not be what other people want from us.
Bottomline, it would be nice if we could just remember that everyone is in their own stage of healing. As far as Skylar goes, she’s doing what she needs to do for herself, just as we all are. Blaming each other, while understandable if our feelings are hurt, is not particularly productive. We cannot require that we all be exactly alike or agree. Even about NC. Everyone has their own method of navigating recovery, and we’re all entitled to choose for ourselves. We can share our own experiences, but when we criticize someone else for not doing it our way, I think we’re stepping over the line.
I think we’re also entitled to our own feelings about Skylar, but again if we try to talk anyone else into sharing those feelings, that’s recruiting, not sharing. Again, we do not all have to agree. If we did, this forum would be awfully boring, and none of us would learn anything.
Kathy
Thank you all for your comments. I may have included incorrect terms in my post, but I think the meaning was clear.
And, Skylar, it’s not that I have backbone, but that I am pursuing harmony among a group of people with whom I respect, admire and adore.
Don’t believe me? Why do you folks think I keep coming back to LF? I haven’t had any type of intimate contact with a predator in over 2 years. And that last one was barely in it. Threw him to curb, quickly.
But he was the catalyst that caused me to realize almost all my former involvments were dysfunctional and unhealthy. There was something broken in myself that allowed them in, so I had to work on that alongside analyzing and clearing out bad memories.
Seriously, I love all of you people. ALL of you. I don’t have negative feelings or thoughts about any of you, so it does cause me to be confused when there is conflict.
Skylar, there are no chosen leaders on this website. Except Donna who has the first and last word. LF is her love child. She is the person who decides what will be acceptable and what will not.
We are friends. Don’t you see that? Or am I just so incredibly naive.
Skylar, I went to bed Friday night with my pantys in a wad, woke up Saterday and determined that I was just going to fade away, gracefully, and probably no one would even miss me……( that is my wounded child talking). I didn’t even touch the computer on Saturday, but Sunday, being in a somewhat better frame of mind, I checked in and all this is brewing………
I sometimes feel neglected here. Sometimes, ignored. Rarely critisized. I know sometimes my ideas or opinions aren’t popular, but they ARE always sincere. We all have issues, and sometimes they aren’t the same as everybody elses.
It’s painful to share a very deep part of yourself and feel it is being brushed aside, or critisized or even not fully understood.
But it’s important to see that we are all human, and subject to human frailty.
I don’t believe anyone here was deliberatly trying to hurt me. And I know no-one was trying to hurt you, when ryingto convince you NC is what you need to do.
I think (said as kindly as possible) that your wounded child is showing via your defensiveness. If you were truly confidant that your choice was the right choice you’d just do it, and f— everybody elses opinion. That’s my personal perception.
You are one of a handful on this sight that I have gotton to know on a somewhat personal level, and I hope I haven’t lost you. We’ve had a lot of fun together, and I will miss you terribly.